Info for a Newbie on Irish Law

[Guest]

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I live in Donegal in the far north of Ireland and not far from a small range
of mountains (bogland?) parts of it are as much as 5miles from the nearest
house. and none of seems to be owned buy farmers or anyone else (no sheep,
fences) Will it be legal for me to shoot rabbit, birds etc.here

Thanks

Jonny

 

[Dave]

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Hello Jonny,
All land is usually owned by someone no matter how remote the area. The onus
is on you to find out who the owner of the land is and get their permission
to shoot, preferably but not necessarily in writing. Without permission to
shoot the area you would breaking the law. Sorry to put a damper on things
but I wish you luck getting the permission and good shooting if you do
manage to get it.
Hope this helps
Regards
Dave

"JonnyMac" <j_mcnickle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8ffda01f0e3c483824c5410455eaa3b0@news.teranews.com...
> I live in Donegal in the far north of Ireland and not far from a small
range
> of mountains (bogland?) parts of it are as much as 5miles from the nearest
> house. and none of seems to be owned buy farmers or anyone else (no sheep,
> fences) Will it be legal for me to shoot rabbit, birds etc.here
>
> Thanks
>
> Jonny
>
>

 

[john]

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"Dave" <deecee@theflykwacs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
news:c5svg7$1s2$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk:

> Hello Jonny,
> All land is usually owned by someone no matter how remote the area.
> The onus is on you to find out who the owner of the land is and get
> their permission to shoot, preferably but not necessarily in writing.
> Without permission to shoot the area you would breaking the law.
> Sorry to put a damper on things but I wish you luck getting the
> permission and good shooting if you do manage to get it.
> Hope this helps
> Regards
> Dave

Irish law is somewhat strange to say the least.
A few of my mates go over to Ireland every year to stalk Sika, they
return with a few bottles of the good “clear” stuff and rejoice in
stories of a different world. I’ve found it hard to find a definitive
guide to Irish law but I know that it’s very much different to ours. For
example the largest calibre legally owned (privately) is .270. It seems
hard to believe that we can own a .308 for roe, yet our Irish
counterparts are using less on Sika.
As you say, someone must own the land but it wouldn’t surprise me if no
one did in Ireland. I might try to stalk over there this year but it’s a
long winded affair if you want to take your own rifle, costing time and
money. If I recall it’s illegal to sell venison in Ireland (?) which
makes for some very cheap stalking.


John

 

[Malcolm]

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In article <Xns94CF59CBD3E36OEcopyremovedheaders@130.133.1.4>, John
<Stalking*@britishlibrary.net> writes
>"Dave" <deecee@theflykwacs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
>news:c5svg7$1s2$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk:
>
>> Hello Jonny,
>> All land is usually owned by someone no matter how remote the area.
>> The onus is on you to find out who the owner of the land is and get
>> their permission to shoot, preferably but not necessarily in writing.
>> Without permission to shoot the area you would breaking the law.
>> Sorry to put a damper on things but I wish you luck getting the
>> permission and good shooting if you do manage to get it.
>> Hope this helps
>> Regards
>> Dave
>
>Irish law is somewhat strange to say the least.
>A few of my mates go over to Ireland every year to stalk Sika, they
>return with a few bottles of the good "clear� stuff and rejoice in
>stories of a different world. I've found it hard to find a definitive
>guide to Irish law but I know that it's very much different to ours. For
>example the largest calibre legally owned (privately) is .270. It seems
>hard to believe that we can own a .308 for roe, yet our Irish
>counterparts are using less on Sika.
>As you say, someone must own the land but it wouldn't surprise me if no
>one did in Ireland. I might try to stalk over there this year but it's a
>long winded affair if you want to take your own rifle, costing time and
>money.

> If I recall it's illegal to sell venison in Ireland (?) which
>makes for some very cheap stalking.
>
Huh?

Both wild and farmed venison can be sold in the Republic.

--
Malcolm

 

[john]

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Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:SGaRR$KrrlgAFwID@indaal.demon.co.uk:

> Huh?
>
> Both wild and farmed venison can be sold in the Republic.
>

That could well be the case. I can only go on what I’ve been told which is
that the sika my mates were stalking could not be sold.

John

 

[Guest]

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The message <8ffda01f0e3c483824c5410455eaa3b0@news.teranews.com>
from "JonnyMac" <j_mcnickle@hotmail.com> contains these words:

> I live in Donegal in the far north of Ireland and not far from a small range
> of mountains (bogland?) parts of it are as much as 5miles from the nearest
> house. and none of seems to be owned buy farmers or anyone else (no sheep,
> fences) Will it be legal for me to shoot rabbit, birds etc.here

Almost certainly not, unless you have some connection with the land
itself or those who own it or have permission to shoot over it. All
land, including open moorland such as you describe, is subject to tenure
in one form or another and you could find yourself in deep trouble being
where you shouldn't and in possession of a firearm.

As the land is only five miles away you should have no problem
determining (1) who owns the land, (2) if it is legal for you to shoot
there. You should then seek permission from the landowner to do so. All
of the above assumes you are in full compliance with any laws that may
be relevant to your own particular circumstances.

--
Kim Sawyer
Sutherland
Scotland

 

[Guest]

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The message <Xns94CF9F7339EF2OEcopyremovedheaders@130.133.1.4>
from John <Stalking*@britishlibrary.net> contains these words:

> That could well be the case. I can only go on what I’ve been told which is
> that the sika my mates were stalking could not be sold.

Best to know exactly what one can or can't do, particularly in Ireland.
Two visiting stalkers were recently fined and had their firearms
confiscated for the unlicensed shooting of red deer in County Kerry,
Republic of Ireland.

Seems they had permission from the landowners, their firearms were
lawfully held and they each carried the appropriate licence. However,
neither had a permit to shoot deer.

Unfortunately for them, red deer are a protected species in the area
where they were hunting. Seems someone ommited to tell them that. It was
an expensive mistake to have made. Fines and loss of equipment amounted
to more than nine thousand euros.

--
Kim Sawyer
Sutherland
Scotland

 

[Malcolm]

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In article <2004041816412479091@zetnet.co.uk>, Kim Sawyer
<ksawyer@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>The message <Xns94CF9F7339EF2OEcopyremovedheaders@130.133.1.4>
>from John <Stalking*@britishlibrary.net> contains these words:
>
>> That could well be the case. I can only go on what I've been told which is
>> that the sika my mates were stalking could not be sold.
>
>Best to know exactly what one can or can't do, particularly in Ireland.
>Two visiting stalkers were recently fined and had their firearms
>confiscated for the unlicensed shooting of red deer in County Kerry,
>Republic of Ireland.
>
>Seems they had permission from the landowners, their firearms were
>lawfully held and they each carried the appropriate licence. However,
>neither had a permit to shoot deer.
>
>Unfortunately for them, red deer are a protected species in the area
>where they were hunting. Seems someone ommited to tell them that. It was
>an expensive mistake to have made. Fines and loss of equipment amounted
>to more than nine thousand euros.
>
There are different seasons for different counties in Ireland, plus some
where the deer are protected. More than a little confusing and very
tough on the two stalkers to lose their firearms.

--
Malcolm

 

[john]

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Kim Sawyer <ksawyer@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in
news:2004041816412479091@zetnet.co.uk:
> Unfortunately for them, red deer are a protected species in the area
> where they were hunting. Seems someone ommited to tell them that. It
> was an expensive mistake to have made. Fines and loss of equipment
> amounted to more than nine thousand euros.

Indeed!
My Mates do a sort of swap around thing, where they go to Ireland and
then some Irish stalkers come over here to stalk fallow.
One of my mates has got a licence for Ireland, if I recall he had to
have a sponsor in Ireland and then pay £35 odd to register the fact he
intended to stalk in Ireland with the local police.
They were after sika but none showed, however there were plenty of reds
which were less than 20 yds over the county line where they are
protected, even thought the land resided in both counties, they could
not shoot the reds for fear of prosecution.

John

 

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The message <KefXHCU+cqgAFwa2@indaal.demon.co.uk>
from Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> contains these words:

> There are different seasons for different counties in Ireland, plus some
> where the deer are protected. More than a little confusing and very
> tough on the two stalkers to lose their firearms.

According to the report they stayed within Irish jurisdiction to face
trial and co-operated fully with the gardai. However, the judge wasn't
wearing it.

'People who come here for the purpose of shooting wildlife should
ascertain what they are and what they are not entitled to shoot. Red
deer are a protected species in this area and any offence regarding the
shooting of red deer must be taken seriously.'

Sounds like a rather obvious mistake to have made.

--
Kim Sawyer
Sutherland
Scotland

 

[Guest]

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Thanks for all your help everyone i going to go down to my local garda
station and see if i can find a local police officer who shoots and find out
from him.

Thanks

Jonny

"Kim Sawyer" <ksawyer@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2004041816391079091@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message <8ffda01f0e3c483824c5410455eaa3b0@news.teranews.com>
> from "JonnyMac" <j_mcnickle@hotmail.com> contains these words:
>
> > I live in Donegal in the far north of Ireland and not far from a small
range
> > of mountains (bogland?) parts of it are as much as 5miles from the
nearest
> > house. and none of seems to be owned buy farmers or anyone else (no
sheep,
> > fences) Will it be legal for me to shoot rabbit, birds etc.here
>
> Almost certainly not, unless you have some connection with the land
> itself or those who own it or have permission to shoot over it. All
> land, including open moorland such as you describe, is subject to tenure
> in one form or another and you could find yourself in deep trouble being
> where you shouldn't and in possession of a firearm.
>
> As the land is only five miles away you should have no problem
> determining (1) who owns the land, (2) if it is legal for you to shoot
> there. You should then seek permission from the landowner to do so. All
> of the above assumes you are in full compliance with any laws that may
> be relevant to your own particular circumstances.
>
> --
> Kim Sawyer
> Sutherland
> Scotland

 

[john]

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"JonnyMac" <j_mcnickle@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:b52940df9a0065bd760b708fbc93abec@news.teranews.com:

> Thanks for all your help everyone i going to go down to my local
> garda station and see if i can find a local police officer who shoots
> and find out from him.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jonny

That sounds like a very wise thing to do, perhaps you could post back
here and tell us because for me at least the Irish law is a bit of a
mystery.


John