tough old brutes, these crows!

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Two anecdotes, both true and both from the last few days.

We were driving towards a crow - big ah heck, too - who simply wasn't going
to get out of the way of the car, so I ran over it. Something under the car
must've struck the crows head, 'cause there was a loud clunk, and when we
had passed over, there was this crow strutting towards the verge with a few
ruffled feather on top!

Shooting crows in the garden this morning - with my nice 'Gamo Hunter 440'
air rifle with its newly zeroed sights - and there was one about 25-30 yards
ahead. It hadn't seen me load and aim and I wasn't surprised to hit the
monster. Knocked it clean off its feet where it lay squawking until I
approached to finish it off. It saw me ambling towards it, struggled to its
feet and took off (with a sort of limping flight) until it was at a safer
distance before setting down again for some more squawking. I chased it
around for about twenty minutes before the thing retreated into the woods at
the bottom of the back garden.

Right - this calls for sterner stuff. I'll try the .410 before I get out
the 12 bore though.

That'll teach 'em!

StJohn

 

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"StJohn" <stjohn@needtoknowbasisonly.fsworld.co.uk> wrote in
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>
>
> Two anecdotes, both true and both from the last few days.
>
> We were driving towards a crow - big ah heck, too - who simply wasn't
> going to get out of the way of the car, so I ran over it. Something
> under the car must've struck the crows head, 'cause there was a loud
> clunk, and when we had passed over, there was this crow strutting
> towards the verge with a few ruffled feather on top!
>
> Shooting crows in the garden this morning - with my nice 'Gamo Hunter
> 440' air rifle with its newly zeroed sights - and there was one about
> 25-30 yards ahead. It hadn't seen me load and aim and I wasn't
> surprised to hit the monster. Knocked it clean off its feet where it
> lay squawking until I approached to finish it off. It saw me ambling
> towards it, struggled to its feet and took off (with a sort of
> limping flight) until it was at a safer distance before setting down
> again for some more squawking. I chased it around for about twenty
> minutes before the thing retreated into the woods at the bottom of
> the back garden.
>
> Right - this calls for sterner stuff. I'll try the .410 before I get
> out the 12 bore though.

Before you try “sterner stuff”, try reading the laws pertaining to the
deliberate act of running animals over on a public highway and then if
you can grasp it, try understanding that more power doesn’t make a bad
shot any better.
Stick with your air rifle and stick to paper.

John

 

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"John" <Stalking*@britishlibrary.net> wrote in message
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> "StJohn" <stjohn@needtoknowbasisonly.fsworld.co.uk> wrote in
> news:c9nhm9$9n6$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk:
>
> >
> >
> > Two anecdotes, both true and both from the last few days.
> >
> > We were driving towards a crow - big ah heck, too - who simply wasn't
> > going to get out of the way of the car, so I ran over it. Something
> > under the car must've struck the crows head, 'cause there was a loud
> > clunk, and when we had passed over, there was this crow strutting
> > towards the verge with a few ruffled feather on top!
> >
> > Shooting crows in the garden this morning - with my nice 'Gamo Hunter
> > 440' air rifle with its newly zeroed sights - and there was one about
> > 25-30 yards ahead. It hadn't seen me load and aim and I wasn't
> > surprised to hit the monster. Knocked it clean off its feet where it
> > lay squawking until I approached to finish it off. It saw me ambling
> > towards it, struggled to its feet and took off (with a sort of
> > limping flight) until it was at a safer distance before setting down
> > again for some more squawking. I chased it around for about twenty
> > minutes before the thing retreated into the woods at the bottom of
> > the back garden.
> >
> > Right - this calls for sterner stuff. I'll try the .410 before I get
> > out the 12 bore though.
>
> Before you try "sterner stuff", try reading the laws pertaining to the
> deliberate act of running animals over on a public highway and then if
> you can grasp it, try understanding that more power doesn't make a bad
> shot any better.
> Stick with your air rifle and stick to paper.

Please be so kind as to direct me to the website which details the laws of
which you write, especially that pertaining to crows.

For what it's worth, when you live on a very large estate which is plagued
by crows - which, incidentally, cause an enormous amount of damage - you
would probably prefer to refer to them as vermin. And were it not for my
daughter and wife still asleep in bed, I /would/ have had the shotgun out.

I would have thought that a direct hit at just under thirty yards doesn't
warrant the sobriquet "bad shot", however with such accuracy, more power
would certainly have despatched the bird in one go.

StJohn

 

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"StJohn" <stjohn@needtoknowbasisonly.fsworld.co.uk> wrote in
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>> Before you try "sterner stuff", try reading the laws pertaining to
>> the deliberate act of running animals over on a public highway and
>> then if you can grasp it, try understanding that more power doesn't
>> make a bad shot any better.
>> Stick with your air rifle and stick to paper.
>
> Please be so kind as to direct me to the website which details the
> laws of which you write, especially that pertaining to crows.

Such an educated man as you *must* be familiar with the general licence?
At which point on your car journey did you become an authorised person?
You didn’t, did you?

>
> For what it's worth, when you live on a very large estate which is
> plagued by crows - which, incidentally, cause an enormous amount of
> damage - you would probably prefer to refer to them as vermin.

I’m sure you would.


> And
> were it not for my daughter and wife still asleep in bed, I /would/
> have had the shotgun out.

It doesn’t surprise me.

> I would have thought that a direct hit at just under thirty yards
> doesn't warrant the sobriquet "bad shot",

It obviously, even to the most moronic of persons was a bad shot.

> however with such accuracy,

Such accuracy, you must be making a big joke! Frankly if you couldn’t
take a head shot at thirty yards, I suggest you go back to paper
targets.

> more power would certainly have despatched the bird in one go.

And the bigger car you own, the bigger dick you own and boy you’re a big
dick!

John

 

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"John" <Stalking*@britishlibrary.net> wrote in message
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>
> Such an educated man as you *must* be familiar with the general licence?

Which 'general licence'?

> At which point on your car journey did you become an authorised person?
> You didn't, did you?

Eh! WTF is all that about? Authorised to do /what/? It's a private drive
of just under a mile long.

>
> And the bigger car you own, the bigger dick you own and boy you're a big
> dick!
>

You want to watch your spelling, old boy. You've. YOU'VE.

See You Next Tuesday

StJohn

 

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"StJohn" <stjohn@needtoknowbasisonly.fsworld.co.uk> wrote in
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> Eh! WTF is all that about? Authorised to do /what/? It's a private
> drive of just under a mile long.

Which estate are you resident on and what is your SGC number?

John

 

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"John" <Stalking*@britishlibrary.net> wrote in message
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> "StJohn" <stjohn@needtoknowbasisonly.fsworld.co.uk> wrote in
> news:c9o3tl$6ug$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk:
>
> > Eh! WTF is all that about? Authorised to do /what/? It's a private
> > drive of just under a mile long.
>
> Which estate are you resident on and what is your SGC number?
>
> John

C'mon John,
He's not the common sense he was born with, how do you expect him to know
his address?

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On 3 Jun 2004 22:23:37 GMT, John <Stalking*@britishlibrary.net> wrote:

>"StJohn" <stjohn@needtoknowbasisonly.fsworld.co.uk> wrote in
>news:c9o3tl$6ug$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk:
>
>> Eh! WTF is all that about? Authorised to do /what/? It's a private
>> drive of just under a mile long.
>
>Which estate are you resident on and what is your SGC number?
>
>John

Hey up!
John's got a live one.
Fight, fight, fight etc

What John is saying my old chap, is that you attempted to kill a crow
with a poorly placed shot given the range, tool and target. At that
range with an airgun only a head shot would do, myself I wouldn't have
attempted that either (but that's because I like my rimfire!).

Private drive or no, you are still subject to the laws regarding
protection of wild animals. Crows are subject to general licence, but
that doesn't equal "open season" with any means available.

--
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> Crows are subject to general licence, but
>that doesn't equal "open season" with any means available.
>

I don't think that running over a crow that refuses to get out of the way is
"using a moter to kill it", if it does then I must be "guilty" of many "crimes"
because I wouldn't swerve and risk an accident to avoid vermin,unless it was a
deer or badger, although I did brake to avoid a cat once and it repaid me by
killing my daughter's pet rabbit. Cheers, Norman.

 

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>> Crows are subject to general licence, but
>>that doesn't equal "open season" with any means available.
>>
>
> I don't think that running over a crow that refuses to get out of the
> way is "using a moter to kill it", if it does then I must be "guilty"
> of many "crimes"

The important thing here is motive.
It is hard to prove that a motorist has deliberately tried to run an
animal over. On the public highway, a person who uses an automobile to
kill or injure animals *is* breaking the law if it can be proven he
carried out such an act deliberately. The law is somewhat different in
Scotland, where a person could kill an injured deer with a motor
vehicle.
The general licence and the W&C act will cover most offences of the
above.
In truth the original poster is either a kid or a troll.

John

 

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Get a life you lot!!

Normally not a squabbling newsgroup that I enjoy reading, give up the
c**p please before it gets out of hand.

On 4 Jun 2004 10:46:44 GMT, John <Stalking*@britishlibrary.net> wrote:

>seaangling@aol.com (SEAANGLING) wrote in
>news:20040604062952.19807.00000459@mb-m02.aol.com:
>
>>> Crows are subject to general licence, but
>>>that doesn't equal "open season" with any means available.
>>>
>>
>> I don't think that running over a crow that refuses to get out of the
>> way is "using a moter to kill it", if it does then I must be "guilty"
>> of many "crimes"
>
>The important thing here is motive.
>It is hard to prove that a motorist has deliberately tried to run an
>animal over. On the public highway, a person who uses an automobile to
>kill or injure animals *is* breaking the law if it can be proven he
>carried out such an act deliberately. The law is somewhat different in
>Scotland, where a person could kill an injured deer with a motor
>vehicle.
>The general licence and the W&C act will cover most offences of the
>above.
>In truth the original poster is either a kid or a troll.
>
>John

 

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> hungryrob <hungryrob@hotmail.com> wrote in
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>
> > Get a life you lot!!
> >
> > Normally not a squabbling newsgroup that I enjoy reading, give up the
> > c**p please before it gets out of hand.
>

> The use of a car to kill crows on private land is not illegal;

> Re-read the original post,


Yes. Re-read the original post. The crow got up and walked away
unscathed. I had not aimed my tyres at it but had simply driven over the
top of it. What would you have me do - shoo it out of the way first ?

It was an anecdotal story in the spirit (I thought) of this otherwise
friendly newsgroup.

It was not intended to offend or to invite criticism, and the fact that I
may or may not be a school teacher is neither here nor there in this
particular matter.

I might suggest that the image you display with regard our sport is far more
likely to do it harm in the long run. I don't know how long you've held
your various licences (or if, indeed, you do), but in over thirty years as
an active shot I have never heard anyone but the Animal Activists stick up
for the sanctity of the life of a crow !

Incidentally, before you criticise the second story - it was a 'head shot'
that hadn't penetrated - so much for my full power air-rifle !

FFS John - they were a couple of stories that I thought the group might be
interested in. Lighten up.

StJohn

 

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"StJohn" <stjohn@needtoknowbasisonly.fsworld.co.uk> wrote in
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> Yes. Re-read the original post. The crow got up and walked away
> unscathed. I had not aimed my tyres at it but had simply driven over
> the top of it. What would you have me do - shoo it out of the way
> first ?

I often stop and “shoo” animals out of my path. It’s a daily occurrence
for me to give way to squirrels and sparrows.
My personal belief is that one should reconsider their motives when life
becomes so cheap as to run over a bird because it’s in your way.
I simply can not endorse wanton killing in any guise, it’s loutish
behaviour and nothing more than vandalism.

>
> It was an anecdotal story in the spirit (I thought) of this otherwise
> friendly newsgroup.

Are you suggesting that this group endorses behaviour such as yours?
Frankly I take it as an insult that you even presumed you would find a
friendly response to such behaviour.

>
> It was not intended to offend or to invite criticism, and the fact
> that I may or may not be a school teacher is neither here nor there
> in this particular matter.

This particular matter is one of great repulse and the fact that you are
a guardian of children matters most.

>
> I might suggest that the image you display with regard our sport is
> far more likely to do it harm in the long run. I don't know how
> long you've held your various licences (or if, indeed, you do), but
> in over thirty years as an active shot I have never heard anyone but
> the Animal Activists stick up for the sanctity of the life of a crow

SIR! The sanctity of my quarry is up most in my thoughts; with out it I
would be nothing more than a stomach churning killer. Every animal I
hunt is given equal respect be that crows, rats, rabbits, deer or foxes.
I call it the ‘hunters paradox’. You may indeed view my opinions akin to
that of an Animal Activists but I view your opinions and action much
lower. There are rules of conduct to follow and you have displayed none.


> !
>
> Incidentally, before you criticise the second story - it was a 'head
> shot' that hadn't penetrated - so much for my full power air-rifle !

Then I would suggest you have your rifle serviced before you go an cause
anymore suffering.

>
> FFS John - they were a couple of stories that I thought the group
> might be interested in. Lighten up.

Lighten up! When you pick-up a gun, you represent me, your actions
reflect upon me and every other shooter in Britain. I suggest your 30
odd years as an active shooter have been well and truly wasted.

John

 

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----- Original Message -----
From: StJohn


> Yes. Re-read the original post. The crow got up and walked away
> unscathed.

This is NOT what your original post said!
I suggest you DO re-read your OP

Any thing you intend to kill: fur, feather, fish, whatever. You should
always do your upmost to do it effectively and instantly.
This includes choosing the correct tool for the job, and using it
effectively
NOT a 'see if I can hit it' attitude
You are no more than a yob, and I suggest you hand your guns in to the local
police station for melting down, as you are certainly not responsible enough
to use them.

 

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"John" <Stalking*@britishlibrary.net> wrote in message
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> "StJohn" <stjohn@needtoknowbasisonly.fsworld.co.uk> wrote in
> news:c9v5gs$oso$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk:
>
>
> Are you suggesting that this group endorses behaviour such as yours?
> Frankly I take it as an insult that you even presumed you would find a
> friendly response to such behaviour.
>
>

Before I unsubscribe from this group, perhaps you would reflect upon the
above statement and then compare it to the following recent post which you
endorsed with your approval and obvious amusement:

Quote:

">>It is not enough for Rotweilers! Neibour's two Rotweilers got
>>through the fence and killed 90% of my geese before I got out with
>>the 12 bore loaded with BB. First barrel at one of them at about 20
>>metres rolled him over. He got up and came for me at full steam. I
>>fired the second barrel when he had got half way. He passed me about
>>a metre away and went through the fence to the owner's property. The
>>vet counted 30 odd pellets in the head area but said that the dog
>>could have survived. Actually it was destroyed.
>>
>>R
>>
>>
>
> Blimey!
> ....so what do you recommend as a Rottweiler load?

LOL! (that will keep me smiling all day ) )

John"

End quote.


Now AFAIK shooting dogs /is/ illegal. But you managed a smile at the story
with no rebuke.



I'll get my coat and see myself out.

 

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"StJohn" <stjohn@needtoknowbasisonly.fsworld.co.uk> wrote in
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> Before I unsubscribe from this group, perhaps you would reflect upon
> the above statement


That’s right, you come to the group and clearly state actions which were
totally un-responsible and rather than listen to another point of view,
albeit criticising to your own, you will leave.
Frankly we all make mistakes and in years gone by I have made plenty. I
talk from these mistake as well as learn from them. If you feel that
your actions were that of a responsible adult and were correct then take
the opportunity to learn from this group. There are many experienced
shots and some professional experts.
The experience of this group is vast and wide, take your airgun for
example.
Is it capable of cleanly dispatching a crow at 30yds? Try asking Andy.
Does it need a new spring (??) then ask Matt if he has one in stock.
What I am trying to say is that you have an excellent opportunity to
learn a lot from the members of this group, I know I have.
My opinion is that you did wrong and your casual explanation mocked
everything I believe in and I’m going to jolly well tell you so.



> Now AFAIK shooting dogs /is/ illegal. But you managed a smile at the
> story with no rebuke.

There are several legal reasons to shoot dogs.
If a dog was about to rip my arm off, I’ll state for the record I’d
shoot it.
What I found funny was the image of Roger stocking up on ammo just in
case.

>
> I'll get my coat and see myself out.

If you feel that way, then it’s up to you but akin to one of your
students leaving the school because you gave him a c-.

John

 

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> There are many experienced
> shots and some professional experts.
> The experience of this group is vast and wide,
> What I am trying to say is that you have an excellent opportunity to
> learn a lot from the members of this group,

And in the past I have learnt a great deal from following various threads.
You even (albeit rather patronisingly I recall) answered a query I had when
I was concerned about the power of my air rifle.

> My opinion is that you did wrong and your casual explanation mocked
> everything I believe in and I'm going to jolly well tell you so.
>


You are, of course, right. And I truly apologise for my attitude.

..
> What I found funny was the image of Roger stocking up on ammo just in
> case.
>

I'm also rather sorry that I misjudged the tone of the group. I thought it
quite funny that a crow would stand there undisturbed by an approaching car
and then just strut off after having headbutted the sump. Different sense
of humour, I suppose.

On reflection not a wise story to tell. But then again neither is shooting
a dog twice and still not mortally wounding it enough to kill it but having
to have it put down by a vet.

StJohn

 

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I am a schoolteacher too. I shoot part time, pick up my cases and try
my best to be responsible.

I'm fairly new to the group and have posted no more than 5 or 6 times.
I have learned more than I have passed on. The pointed comments will
put others off posting here, even if there is a 'point' to them.

I too have run over a few crows for which I feel absolutely no guilt
and I'm afraid you will have a hard time persuading me that it is
wrong not to swerve or slow down! A poll on the subject could be
entertaining.

Can we move on to some interesting stuff like where to buy guns and
bullets

 

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"StJohn" <stjohn@needtoknowbasisonly.fsworld.co.uk> wrote in
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> And in the past I have learnt a great deal from following various
> threads. You even (albeit rather patronisingly I recall) answered a
> query I had when I was concerned about the power of my air rifle.

IIRC I gave you the best answer I could and that was to set up a target.
It would be interesting if you did see the change of impact and to what
degree.

>
> You are, of course, right. And I truly apologise for my attitude.

To my mind there are times that you need to kill and there are times
that you don’t. A few years ago I had a conversation with the head
stalker of a deer park.
He was telling me how he’s not interested in shooting anymore and that
he’s got other interests now. The conclusion of the conversation was
that he had killed so many deer that he now feels sick at the thought of
killing anymore.
I guess he must have been shooting in excess of 300 deer per year for
many years.
I’ve not shot that many deer but I have shot a great deal of other
things and sometimes I look back and think that I could have been more
conservation minded or that maybe I could have done things slightly
different.


> On reflection not a wise story to tell. But then again neither is
> shooting a dog twice and still not mortally wounding it enough to
> kill it but having to have it put down by a vet.

Point taken.

Well I’ve said all I have to say over the incident, again I would rather
you take my thoughts on board and not take them as an all out attack on
you personally. Yes I disagree with your actions and hopefully next
time you see a crow standing in your way, you’ll think of me and chuckle
at the thought of me stopping and “shooing” the crow out the way and
maybe next time you’ll retrieve your runners.

John

 

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The message <a2c7c0pu8tj774su404v3f6qktbp6fbv6p@4ax.com>
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> Can we move on to some interesting stuff like where to buy guns and
> bullets

Try the carpark behind the Kings Arms, Manchester. Big Italian guy, with
a scar down the right side of his mush. Drives a Mondeo. Just tell him
Nobby sent you...

--
Kim Sawyer
Sutherland
Scotland

 

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In message <c9vvuf$ejj$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, StJohn
<stjohn@needtoknowbasisonly.fsworld.co.uk> writes

>I'm also rather sorry that I misjudged the tone of the group.

You didn't. You misjudged one individual and made the mistake being
drawn into an argument with him. The majority of people who inhabit
this group haven't responded to the thread. Don't condemn everyone for
the actions (i.e. words) of one or two.

>I thought it
>quite funny that a crow would stand there undisturbed by an approaching car
>and then just strut off after having headbutted the sump. Different sense
>of humour, I suppose.

Look at the date. It was probably a fledgling rook, and not yet
street-wise.

--
--Jonathan

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Jonathan Spencer <jms@jonathan-spencer.co.uk> wrote in
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> In message <c9vvuf$ejj$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, StJohn
> <stjohn@needtoknowbasisonly.fsworld.co.uk> writes
>
>>I'm also rather sorry that I misjudged the tone of the group.
>
> You didn't. You misjudged one individual and made the mistake being
> drawn into an argument with him. The majority of people who inhabit
> this group haven't responded to the thread. Don't condemn everyone
> for the actions (i.e. words) of one or two.

So may I take it that the great “Jonathan Spencer” actually agrees with
running animals over and not following up wounded game? Surely not?
To quote your so loved books “Hunters have to be accountable for their
actions, and that means executing clean kills with the minimum chance of
wounding”.
Talking from your experts horse and in a professional manner, are cars
really suited to the job?
Do you not agree with tracking wounded game?

John

 

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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 09:07:33 GMT, hungryrob <hungryrob@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Get a life you lot!!
>
>Normally not a squabbling newsgroup that I enjoy reading, give up the
>c**p please before it gets out of hand.

Just kill the thread. the rest of the newsgroup is fine and very
helpful, I have found.

I agree about "get a life", but I have noticed that whichever
hobby/activity I have EVER experienced, there are sticklers about
something.

You have a choice: ignore them or get annoyed: the choice is yours.

Usenet brings out the best and worst in a lot of people.
Things are "said" which would cause offence face-to-face.
Hiding behind a screen makes this easy.

The old advice about reading a group for a week or two is the best
thing to do: you can spot the nit-pickers a mile off.

(Oh! and kill files are wonderful).

J.

 

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On 6 Jun 2004 16:49:43 GMT, John <Stalking*@britishlibrary.net> wrote:

>"StJohn" <stjohn@needtoknowbasisonly.fsworld.co.uk> wrote in
>news:c9v5gs$oso$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk:
>
>> Yes. Re-read the original post. The crow got up and walked away
>> unscathed. I had not aimed my tyres at it but had simply driven over
>> the top of it. What would you have me do - shoo it out of the way
>> first ?
>
>I often stop and “shoo” animals out of my path. It’s a daily occurrence
>for me to give way to squirrels and sparrows.
>My personal belief is that one should reconsider their motives when life
>becomes so cheap as to run over a bird because it’s in your way.
>I simply can not endorse wanton killing in any guise, it’s loutish
>behaviour and nothing more than vandalism.
>
>>
>> It was an anecdotal story in the spirit (I thought) of this otherwise
>> friendly newsgroup.
>
>Are you suggesting that this group endorses behaviour such as yours?
>Frankly I take it as an insult that you even presumed you would find a
>friendly response to such behaviour.
>
>>
>> It was not intended to offend or to invite criticism, and the fact
>> that I may or may not be a school teacher is neither here nor there
>> in this particular matter.
>
>This particular matter is one of great repulse and the fact that you are
>a guardian of children matters most.
>
>>
>> I might suggest that the image you display with regard our sport is
>> far more likely to do it harm in the long run. I don't know how
>> long you've held your various licences (or if, indeed, you do), but
>> in over thirty years as an active shot I have never heard anyone but
>> the Animal Activists stick up for the sanctity of the life of a crow
>
>SIR! The sanctity of my quarry is up most in my thoughts; with out it I
>would be nothing more than a stomach churning killer. Every animal I
>hunt is given equal respect be that crows, rats, rabbits, deer or foxes.
>I call it the ‘hunters paradox’. You may indeed view my opinions akin to
>that of an Animal Activists but I view your opinions and action much
>lower. There are rules of conduct to follow and you have displayed none.
>
>
>> !
>>
>> Incidentally, before you criticise the second story - it was a 'head
>> shot' that hadn't penetrated - so much for my full power air-rifle !
>
>Then I would suggest you have your rifle serviced before you go an cause
>anymore suffering.
>

Sooooo.... I suppose that all the crows, rats, rabbits, deer or foxes
which you have shot have ALL been cleanly and instantly killed?

If you answer "yes" to this, then I have to say I would not believe
you, "hunter's paradox" or not.

I am not condoning any unclean kill, but just don't believe it on a
statistical basis, so why don't we let the matter drop?

J.

 

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JH <jacques@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:54b8c05l5d6gg6lv0korlb4rvrcadtooef@4ax.com:

> Sooooo.... I suppose that all the crows, rats, rabbits, deer or foxes
> which you have shot have ALL been cleanly and instantly killed?

Is it ever possible to get “an instant kill”?

> If you answer "yes" to this, then I have to say I would not believe
> you, "hunter's paradox" or not.

I see, if the witch dies then they are not a witch.

The hunters paradox refers to the necessity to preserve and nurture, yet
also to hunt a given species and not the ability to humanly kill.
Although it is the duty of ALL to kill cleanly.


>
> I am not condoning any unclean kill, but just don't believe it on a
> statistical basis, so why don't we let the matter drop?

What has any of the above go to do with running animals over and failing
to follow up runners?

John