P4 prices dropping close to Tbird

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I was looking on price watch and I figured I'd show you guys
$145 AMD Athlon 1.4GHz 266 FSB
$112 - AMD Athlon 1.33GHz 266 FSB
$99 - AMD Athlon 1.2GHz 266 FSB
$90 - AMD Athlon 1.13GHz 266 FSB
$74 - AMD Athlon 1GHz 266 FSB

$307 Pentium 4 1.7GHz
$219 Pentium 4 1.5GHz
$171 Pentium 4 1.4GHz
$128 Pentium 4 1.3GHz

Oh yea and RDRAM also dropped in price too
$299 RDRAM 512MB
$88 RDRAM 256MB
$37 RDRAM 128MB
$19 RDRAM 64MB

I might start building NLE video machines on P4 (Because thats all their good for really)
 
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Hmmm... the prices you show don't seem to reflect Intel prices close to AMD's. Not even same clock speed are that close really.. 1333 is more than 10% difference.

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A P4 1.7 competes with a tbird 1.4, so how do you figure the prices are getting close? It's more than a 100% difference.

RDRAM is still 100% more expensive too.

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1.3 P4 around $130
1.3 Tbird around $115

1.4 P4 around $170
1.4 Tbird around $140

Its much closer than it has before, and considering there is not 1.5 or 1.7 GHz Tbird right now the price are dropping whether they exhist or not. All I said was the prices are dropping not that the P4 is better (only for video editing)

And I didn't list the P4 1.8 because its a rediculous price right now, and most people can't overclock their Tbirds to 1.8, but a few people have reached 1.7.
 
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Compairing p4 to tbird at a clock for clock basis is a great way to waste 100 bucks, the 1.3ghz p4, barely can equal the 950mhz tbird. Clock for clock(not the way to compare cpus anymore but for the sake of this statement) Clock for clock, the tbird rips off the p4's nutts and feeds them to it.

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I swear you guys cant read. His first post said for Video Editing, and everyone knows this is where the P4 rules. Any benchmarks that says T-Bird wins in Video Editing? Then he will be wrong.

And saying 100 bucks wasted to go Intel is like saying, oh buy a Honda S200, it is cheaper than a Mercedes C-320, and faster! Yeah, I would still be rather rolling a benzo though.

Oh yeah, Intel is cutting prices in half on the 26th, and 28th, with all the new chipsets coming so we can use DDR, watch out now!

No flaming please, I just bought a 1.0Ghz AXIAR-Y yesterday, waiting for VIA, or better yet SiS chipset to jump on P4.

deez
 
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I am willing to bet, clock for clock, the tbird whups p4 in videoediting, anyone feel like looking for some benchmarks.

::lazy::

PS: dont mind yangsing, hes just a very bored and lonely guy lol.

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Mati it's pretty assured Palomino will outperform P4 since Pally includes SSE code and what has been P4's advantage in this area is it's support of SSE. Once that plane is evened out Athlon will also whup P4 in that benchmark.

Mark-

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"Mati it's pretty assured Palomino will outperform P4 since Pally includes SSE code and what has been P4's advantage in this area is it's support of SSE. Once that plane is evened out Athlon will also whup P4 in that benchmark."




Like I said, I think, clock for clock, it already does.

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Wait, i just wanna get something straight here... If intel is like mercedes and amd like honda, then where's luxury in intel's fancy slab of silicon? Just the knowledge that because you spent more means you're getting the better product? A yes or no will be enough.



<b>Does it work?</b>
Yes!
<b>Ok, How <i>well</i> does it work?</b>
Uhh...
 
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Click <A HREF="http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q2/010423/images/image046.gif" target="_new">here</A> for the truth. The harsh reality:

Pentium 4 1500: 19.0 fps
Athlon 1600/133 (vapochilled): 18.4 fps


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Actually, Mati (Hope shortening your nick doesn't offend you)

I didn't mean clock for clock comparison. I meant say.. a 1.4 ghz Pally compared to a 1.7 or higher P4.

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More numbers from <A HREF="http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q2/010423/images/image046.gif" target="_new">here</A>:

Pentium 4 1700: 21.0 fps
Athlon 1466/133 (overclocked): 17.5 fps
Pentium 4 Northwood 2000: Unknown
Athlon Palomino 14xx/?: Unknown

SSE (SSE1) isn't going to help the Palomino much. That application is optimized for SSE2.

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It sure that SSE2 is stronger that SSE.

i have look at a benchmark with

PAL 1.2*1.4
T-bird 1.4
1% faster in sysmark
But in quake more than 15 fps increase.Every thing that support SSE will be faster be 10 to 15% with PAL and 2 or 3% in apps.
 
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""""""""""""""""""""""24 august """"".

Intel will release the 2 ghz and will slash a others major price drop.Remember the 1.7 and the price drop.
 
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If your using a P4 with Premiere 6.0 which I'm pretty sure is SSE2 optimized then clock for clock with Tbird in video editing P4 will probably win out. Now without a doubt clock for clock almost everything else Tbird will deliver a nice spanking.
Only thing I would want a P4 for is for video editing with some kind of RAID setup (2-4 hard drives for capture on a raid controller, and 1 hard drive to run the os, maybe 2nd hard drive for swap file)
Thats about it though, Video editing, DVD ripping, and maybe Quake 3. Even though I don't like quake 3 much thats all the P4 is really good for. I need more $$$ before I build a second computer though, My 1560 MHz Tbird with geforce 3 is more than fast enough for me
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Posted by tknd:
"Wait, i just wanna get something straight here... If intel is like mercedes and amd like honda, then where's luxury in intel's fancy slab of silicon? Just the knowledge that because you spent more means you're getting the better product? A yes or no will be enough."

Come on, do I have to answer this? Ok. What has a better overall chance of working right out of the bat? The Intel chips do, and don't try to argue this one, you will lose.

No conteding with VIA southbridge, can't use that Sound Blaster Live, etc.

Also, the heat, OMFG the heat from these babies. People asking about what to replace their AMD stock HSF with, even though they are not overclocking? Don't tell me shi++y case, because there are people with P4's with a shitty case. AMD 760 usually has the VIA southbridge too right? Why do people continue to use anything with VIA/AMD if they know it has problems? I myself is goint to wait for SiS 735 boards.

One other thing is CRACKED CORES. That sucks, it really does, to buy a spanking new processor, and crack the core just putting a freaking heatsink on, even the stock one?

Don't get me wrong, in my first post I mentioned I just got an AMD, but you asked how is one a Mercedes and the other a Honda.

Anything else I missed? Maybe Fugger or AMDMELTDOWN can help me out? j/k :p

deez
 
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That's bullshit actually. Would you like to try using your video card 'straight off the bat' as well? Cannot install drivers? Oh, I'm so sorry if your are too dumb or too lazy to install a driver (or SP2 for 2000) to get around the 686B issue. The latest 4in1s have been out for ages, as has sp2 for 2000 as well, both of which have fixed the issue.

If people cannot install heatsinks or build a PC properly, maybe they shouldn't? Why not spend the extra bucks for peace of mind and get a reputable shop to do it for them? That way you have a warranty and their experience.

If anyone is a 1/2 way competent PC fiddler or diy type they'll have no problems. You just need to do your research, same as everything else.

Oh yes - and if you were 1/2 way intelligent you'd know what the 686B issue is actually about. It is about data corruption between primary and secondary IDE channels and has the chance to be made worse by the presence of a SB Live! card. The SB Live! works straight off no worries.

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email for application details<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by peteb on 08/11/01 09:55 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
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Peteb is right, 99.999% of athlon problems are caused by user error.

Driver driver and VIA 4in1
Get real your chipset suck my old ZX is still better.
 
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