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Did the CA run the wrong campaign. Is there a future if things change?

I've been watching the telly and there have been lots of local farmer and
the like who hunt. I actually feel deeply for them.This is real people
really upset.

I have quite a lot of experience as a direct action protester/organiser on
environmental issues, though I am out of the field for ten years.

I picked up some of these skills in the US of A, where we used the
expression "Astroturf groups". Astroturf is an artificial grass used for
sports fields. We used this expression to contrast ourselves - 'grassroots
groups' with industry organised protest that used ordinary people, but
organised everything from on high..

The CA, despite its look of a grassroots organisation, was, in reality an
Astroturf group, and this was quite clear to me - and others.

Evidence?

The big CA march in London (if I remember) required folk to pay to register,
and that fee was a number of pounds (10 quid?).

Shortly after there was the vast even bigger anti war demo. From what I know
how these are organised, I would be surprised if the central
(dis)organisation spent more than 25 pence a head. Locally our bus up to
London was filled simply by handing out A5 photocopied flyers which were
just distributed as best anyone who took 50 away thought best. Except for
cost of
two coaches - no set fare but donation towards cost being collected on
route - and and a few phone calls, that was the expence.

Sack the position servers of the CA? Sack their bosses? Work out of a barn
on a real farm, not an expensive London office? Pay your volunteer staff £20
above the social security amount for that person if they were unemployed? Go
to London by a cheap bus? Take sleeping bag and sleep on the floor of
someone who you have never before met? .....And get a real grassroots
campaign going?

Theo
 
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> Evidence?
>
> The big CA march in London (if I remember) required folk to pay to
register,
> and that fee was a number of pounds (10 quid?).

I was wrong about the ten quid :-(

I phoned CA today and it was a suggested donation of more "than a quid", the
quid being for the tin badge. You lot probably know all this, anyway.

However, what worried me - on your shooting behalf - was the voice on the
other end of the phone line was more interested in selling me the CA's
fieldsports insurance and telling me how this was cheaper than BASC's.

The voice must have considered my voice was a bit 'toffish'...it also
offered me the chance to get my gamekeeper a membership of the CA for a
reduced £20, as my employee. I said that my 'keeper earned plenty of money,
even more than I do, so could the deal be done the other way round? This
rather flummoxed the voice.

Theo H
 

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"Theo Hopkins" <theo@theohopkins.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in
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> The voice must have considered my voice was a bit 'toffish'...it also
> offered me the chance to get my gamekeeper a membership of the CA for
> a reduced £20, as my employee. I said that my 'keeper earned plenty
> of money, even more than I do, so could the deal be done the other
> way round? This rather flummoxed the voice.
>

<Grin>

John
 
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"Theo Hopkins" <theo@theohopkins.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:co39fp$laa$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Did the CA run the wrong campaign. Is there a future if things change?
>
> I've been watching the telly and there have been lots of local farmer and
> the like who hunt. I actually feel deeply for them.This is real people
> really upset.
>
> I have quite a lot of experience as a direct action protester/organiser on
> environmental issues, though I am out of the field for ten years.
>
> I picked up some of these skills in the US of A, where we used the
> expression "Astroturf groups". Astroturf is an artificial grass used for
> sports fields. We used this expression to contrast ourselves - 'grassroots
> groups' with industry organised protest that used ordinary people, but
> organised everything from on high..
>
> The CA, despite its look of a grassroots organisation, was, in reality an
> Astroturf group, and this was quite clear to me - and others.
>
> Evidence?
>
> The big CA march in London (if I remember) required folk to pay to
register,
> and that fee was a number of pounds (10 quid?).
>
> Shortly after there was the vast even bigger anti war demo. From what I
know
> how these are organised, I would be surprised if the central
> (dis)organisation spent more than 25 pence a head. Locally our bus up to
> London was filled simply by handing out A5 photocopied flyers which were
> just distributed as best anyone who took 50 away thought best. Except for
> cost of
> two coaches - no set fare but donation towards cost being collected on
> route - and and a few phone calls, that was the expence.
>
> Sack the position servers of the CA? Sack their bosses? Work out of a barn
> on a real farm, not an expensive London office? Pay your volunteer staff
£20
> above the social security amount for that person if they were unemployed?
Go
> to London by a cheap bus? Take sleeping bag and sleep on the floor of
> someone who you have never before met? .....And get a real grassroots
> campaign going?
>
> Theo
>
Funny things statistics I had always assumed that the 100,000 Stop The War
Coalition or 20,000 (police estimate) was smaller than 400,000 (police
estimate) but then who do you believe
Derek
(btw BASC member)


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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:53:38 GMT, "Derek"
<delwattsspamnoman@cwcom.net> wrote:


>Funny things statistics I had always assumed that the 100,000 Stop The War
>Coalition or 20,000 (police estimate) was smaller than 400,000 (police
>estimate) but then who do you believe
>Derek
>(btw BASC member)

On the comparative numbers... I was at the
Isle of Wight Pop Festival in 1970 (police estimate
250,000 people - unbelievable press estimates 600,000)

I was at the CA march in London, and am quite
willing to believe the 400,000 estimate. Having
actually *seen* 250,000 people in one place I do have
some perspective on that seething mass of humanity.

Mind you, I bet my Grandad was equally
impressed by the somewhat lesser numbers when he and
the other Jarrow Marchers gathered in Hyde Park after
their 'little stroll' down from Geordie Land.

Gyppo

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