Detering Pine Marten

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I have been seeing more signs of Pine Marten in the last few months and then
watched one have a go at the hens in the garden at 5pm this evening.

I know they are protected but are there any legal means to deter them?

Thanks,

Dave
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  1. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    "Dave P" <davepnospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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    > I have been seeing more signs of Pine Marten in the last few months and
    then
    > watched one have a go at the hens in the garden at 5pm this evening.
    >
    > I know they are protected but are there any legal means to deter them?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    the best method is to insist that it fills in the full health and safety
    documentation before attacking the hens. That will deter everyone :-(

    On a more serious note, do you own a dog, let that have the run of the area
    the hens are in?

    Jim Webster
  2. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    "Dave P" <davepnospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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    > I have been seeing more signs of Pine Marten in the last few months and
    then
    > watched one have a go at the hens in the garden at 5pm this evening.
    >
    > I know they are protected but are there any legal means to deter them?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Dave
    >
    >
    Electric netting?
  3. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    Jim Webster wrote:
    > "Dave P" <davepnospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:wLd8e.892$CF.34916@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
    >> I have been seeing more signs of Pine Marten in the last few months
    >> and then watched one have a go at the hens in the garden at 5pm this
    >> evening.
    >>
    >> I know they are protected but are there any legal means to deter
    >> them?
    >>
    >> Thanks,
    >>
    > the best method is to insist that it fills in the full health and
    > safety documentation before attacking the hens. That will deter
    > everyone :-(
    >
    > On a more serious note, do you own a dog, let that have the run of
    > the area the hens are in?

    doesn't work up here
    :~)
    We had one living in the haystack in the yard with 5 dogs visiting the area
    several times a day

    --

    regards
    Jill Bowis

    Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
    Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
    Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
    Working Holidays in Scotland
    http://www.kintaline.co.uk
    >
    > Jim Webster
  4. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    w.g.s.hamm wrote:
    > "Dave P" <davepnospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:wLd8e.892$CF.34916@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
    >> I have been seeing more signs of Pine Marten in the last few months
    >> and then watched one have a go at the hens in the garden at 5pm this
    >> evening.
    >>
    >> I know they are protected but are there any legal means to deter
    >> them?
    >>
    >> Thanks,
    >>
    >> Dave
    >>
    >>
    > Electric netting?

    does not deter pine martin

    --

    regards
    Jill Bowis

    Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
    Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
    Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
    Working Holidays in Scotland
    http://www.kintaline.co.uk
  5. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    " Jill." <news@REMOVETHISkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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    > Jim Webster wrote:
    > > "Dave P" <davepnospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > news:wLd8e.892$CF.34916@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
    > >> I have been seeing more signs of Pine Marten in the last few months
    > >> and then watched one have a go at the hens in the garden at 5pm this
    > >> evening.
    > >>
    > >> I know they are protected but are there any legal means to deter
    > >> them?
    > >>
    > >> Thanks,
    > >>
    > > the best method is to insist that it fills in the full health and
    > > safety documentation before attacking the hens. That will deter
    > > everyone :-(
    > >
    > > On a more serious note, do you own a dog, let that have the run of
    > > the area the hens are in?
    >
    > doesn't work up here
    > :~)
    > We had one living in the haystack in the yard with 5 dogs visiting the
    area
    > several times a day

    Tough little beggars by the sound of it. rather begs the question why they
    need protecting :-)

    Jim Webster


    >
    > --
    >
    > regards
    > Jill Bowis
    >
    > Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
    > Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
    > Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
    > Working Holidays in Scotland
    > http://www.kintaline.co.uk
    > >
    > > Jim Webster
    >
  6. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    Could you use a live catch trap and then transport it to another isolated
    location for release?

    I can empathize with the varmint situation. I have been having trouble with
    skunks, raccoons and hawks. I finally bought two guns, a 22 cal rifle and a
    20 gauge shotgun. On two occasions I have gone out with the guns and used
    them like guiding sticks to shoo the critters off as I just could not bring
    myself to actually kill one. The skunk in particular, had the cutest
    little beady eyes I'd ever seen. The raccoon made one of his twittering
    noises as I had him in my sites only a few feet away and I ended up just
    giving him a good scolding and he went rambling on about his business.

    I am looking now to get one of the live catch traps myself. I don't know
    what I'll do with a skunk in one of those but I'll cross that bridge when I
    come to it! ha ha I think I'll wrap the outer part in plastic and just
    leave the door open, though, as that might deter him from spraying or at
    least shield me a bit if he does let loose.

    Shawn

    "Dave P" <davepnospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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    >I have been seeing more signs of Pine Marten in the last few months and
    >then watched one have a go at the hens in the garden at 5pm this evening.
    >
    > I know they are protected but are there any legal means to deter them?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Dave
    >
  7. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    "Shawn Pennington" <smpenn30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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    > Could you use a live catch trap and then transport it to another isolated
    > location for release?
    Nope. If they are protected you cannot interfere with them at all and
    transferring it out of it's territory into the territory of another marten
    is irresponsible and cruel.
  8. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    "w.g.s.hamm" <fenlandfowlREMOVETHIS@talktalk.net> wrote in message
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    >
    > "Shawn Pennington" <smpenn30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:rbqdnU9RxoVzyP_fRVn-1A@bright.net...
    >> Could you use a live catch trap and then transport it to another isolated
    >> location for release?
    > Nope. If they are protected you cannot interfere with them at all and
    > transferring it out of it's territory into the territory of another marten
    > is irresponsible and cruel.

    It is, likewise, irresponsible and cruel to allow an animal to destroy the
    chickens which we have taken on the obligation to watch over and protect.
    More so to my way of thinking. But, if it is illegal it is illegal.
  9. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    "Dave P" <davepnospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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    >I have been seeing more signs of Pine Marten in the last few months and
    >then watched one have a go at the hens in the garden at 5pm this evening.
    >
    > I know they are protected but are there any legal means to deter them?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Dave
    >

    This is a new site to me and it has images and movies of UK wildlife. The
    videos I watched there of the Pine Marten have been illuminating.

    http://www.arkive.org/

    Dave
  10. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:30:24 +0100, " Jill."
    <news@REMOVETHISkintaline.co.uk> wrote:

    >w.g.s.hamm wrote:
    >> "Dave P" <davepnospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:wLd8e.892$CF.34916@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
    >>> I have been seeing more signs of Pine Marten in the last few months
    >>> and then watched one have a go at the hens in the garden at 5pm this
    >>> evening.
    >>>
    >>> I know they are protected but are there any legal means to deter
    >>> them?
    >>>
    >>> Thanks,
    >>>
    >>> Dave
    >>>
    >>>
    >> Electric netting?
    >
    >does not deter pine martin

    Electric fences deter everything if installed properly.
  11. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 03:50:00 +0100, "Jim Webster"
    <Jim@zerospam.mok.net> wrote:

    >
    >" Jill." <news@REMOVETHISkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
    >news:1113686914.7084.0@nnrp-t71-03.news.uk.clara.net...
    >> Jim Webster wrote:
    >> > "Dave P" <davepnospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> > news:wLd8e.892$CF.34916@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
    >> >> I have been seeing more signs of Pine Marten in the last few months
    >> >> and then watched one have a go at the hens in the garden at 5pm this
    >> >> evening.
    >> >>
    >> >> I know they are protected but are there any legal means to deter
    >> >> them?
    >> >>
    >> >> Thanks,
    >> >>
    >> > the best method is to insist that it fills in the full health and
    >> > safety documentation before attacking the hens. That will deter
    >> > everyone :-(
    >> >
    >> > On a more serious note, do you own a dog, let that have the run of
    >> > the area the hens are in?
    >>
    >> doesn't work up here
    >> :~)
    >> We had one living in the haystack in the yard with 5 dogs visiting the
    >area
    >> several times a day
    >
    >Tough little beggars by the sound of it. rather begs the question why they
    >need protecting :-)
    >
    >Jim Webster
    >

    Too many nuts about wanting to kill anything on four legs.
  12. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:22:04 -0400, "Shawn Pennington"
    <smpenn30@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >
    >"w.g.s.hamm" <fenlandfowlREMOVETHIS@talktalk.net> wrote in message
    >news:0kA8e.911$CF.35343@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
    >>
    >> "Shawn Pennington" <smpenn30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:rbqdnU9RxoVzyP_fRVn-1A@bright.net...
    >>> Could you use a live catch trap and then transport it to another isolated
    >>> location for release?
    >> Nope. If they are protected you cannot interfere with them at all and
    >> transferring it out of it's territory into the territory of another marten
    >> is irresponsible and cruel.
    >
    >It is, likewise, irresponsible and cruel to allow an animal to destroy the
    >chickens which we have taken on the obligation to watch over and protect.
    >More so to my way of thinking.

    Part of that responsibilty is ensuring they are kept in a protective
    environment, or is responsibilty applicable onloy when it suits you?
  13. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    "Scott" <h@jhjhj.com> wrote in message
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    >>
    >
    > Too many nuts about wanting to kill anything on four legs.

    And two.
  14. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    "Scott" <h@jhjhj.com> wrote in message
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    > >> Electric netting?
    > >
    > >does not deter pine martin
    >
    > Electric fences deter everything if installed properly.

    while it might be possible to pin down netting in every crevice the places
    where pine marten are common are also pretty rough ground. This makes it
    very difficult to create a completely marten free zone as they are capable
    of getting themselves very flat and so get beneath and possibly through the
    non electrified zones. I agree however that its probably one of the best
    bets to try to create a decent sized area for birds with some application of
    extra pegs and stakes

    --

    regards
    Jill Bowis

    Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
    Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
    Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
    Working Holidays in Scotland
    http://www.kintaline.co.uk
  15. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    > Part of that responsibilty is ensuring they are kept in a protective
    > environment, or is responsibilty applicable onloy when it suits you?


    You've been reading the Labour pary manafesto haven't you?

    John
  16. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    Scott wrote:

    > Too many nuts about wanting to kill anything on four legs.

    The real nutters try and save things with three legs!

    John
  17. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:57:23 +0100, John
    <john.p.young*removethislittlebit*@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    >Scott wrote:
    >
    >> Too many nuts about wanting to kill anything on four legs.
    >
    >The real nutters try and save things with three legs!

    Presumably that would be a stool pigeon?

    JB
  18. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    "Scott" <h@jhjhj.com> wrote in message
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    > Part of that responsibilty is ensuring they are kept in a protective
    > environment, or is responsibilty applicable onloy when it suits you?

    Not at all. I agree with you, in fact. But, what we consider a protective
    environment may possibly differ.

    I don't consider such to, necessarily, consist of cages that imprison an
    animal. For those who raise their fowl in that manner, I have no problem at
    all with that, but it is not how I choose to care for my birds.

    A protective environment for my animals is, therefore, one in which they are
    given food, water, medical care when necessary, protection from wind, rain
    and the elements and are afforded, as much as I am able to provide such, a
    predator free environment.

    I am not a killer of any animal, although I truly do feel a need to become
    one at times. I will, however, most certainly live catch animals and
    release them where they can do no harm to my flock.

    I am not 100% successful in keeping the predators at bay and I have lost
    several birds to the hawks, which I cannot trap, and a single one to a
    raccoon. Still, I like to believe that my birds, given a choice, would
    prefer to live freely and take the chance of an occasional kill by a varmint
    than to live in cages their whole lives. They do, in fact, always have the
    choice of remaining in their hen house but opt to go outdoors on nice days.

    I have had the greatest success this year in my efforts to preserve them by
    simply switching breeds of fowl. Rather than raising ornamental chickens
    that have had almost all instinct bred out of them, I ordered Easter Egg
    (Aracauna mix) and other birds that were specifically listed as being
    vigilant in looking out for predators and responding with a survival
    instinct. Since the switch, I have not lost another bird.
  19. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    "Shawn Pennington" <smpenn30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:Ps2dnQi3N4e7ivHfRVn-sg@bright.net...
    >
    > "Scott" <h@jhjhj.com> wrote in message
    > news:dSS9e.299$wu2.174@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
    >
    > > Part of that responsibilty is ensuring they are kept in a protective
    > > environment, or is responsibilty applicable onloy when it suits you?
    >
    > Not at all. I agree with you, in fact. But, what we consider a
    protective
    > environment may possibly differ.
    >
    > I don't consider such to, necessarily, consist of cages that imprison an
    > animal. For those who raise their fowl in that manner, I have no problem
    at
    > all with that, but it is not how I choose to care for my birds.
    >
    > A protective environment for my animals is, therefore, one in which they
    are
    > given food, water, medical care when necessary, protection from wind, rain
    > and the elements and are afforded, as much as I am able to provide such, a
    > predator free environment.
    >
    > I am not a killer of any animal, although I truly do feel a need to become
    > one at times. I will, however, most certainly live catch animals and
    > release them where they can do no harm to my flock.
    >
    > I am not 100% successful in keeping the predators at bay and I have lost
    > several birds to the hawks, which I cannot trap, and a single one to a
    > raccoon. Still, I like to believe that my birds, given a choice, would
    > prefer to live freely and take the chance of an occasional kill by a
    varmint
    > than to live in cages their whole lives. They do, in fact, always have
    the
    > choice of remaining in their hen house but opt to go outdoors on nice
    days.
    >
    > I have had the greatest success this year in my efforts to preserve them
    by
    > simply switching breeds of fowl. Rather than raising ornamental chickens
    > that have had almost all instinct bred out of them, I ordered Easter Egg
    > (Aracauna mix) and other birds that were specifically listed as being
    > vigilant in looking out for predators and responding with a survival
    > instinct. Since the switch, I have not lost another bird.
    >
    >
    You keep referring to cages, and it seems you see only 2 options, cages or
    complete freedom with the risk of beijng killed by a predator. The rest of
    us allow our birds freedom within the confines or a large enclosure
    surrounded by electric poultry netting.Freedom, and safety.
  20. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    "w.g.s.hamm" <fenlandfowlREMOVETHIS@talktalk.net> wrote in
    news:zudbe.1031$CF.37614@news-1.opaltelecom.net:

    > The rest of
    > us allow our birds freedom within the confines of a large enclosure
    > surrounded by electric poultry netting.Freedom, and safety.
    >

    Sounds like Tony Blair's Britain....

    Derry
  21. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    Derry Argue wrote:
    > "w.g.s.hamm" <fenlandfowlREMOVETHIS@talktalk.net> wrote in
    > news:zudbe.1031$CF.37614@news-1.opaltelecom.net:
    >
    >
    >>The rest of
    >>us allow our birds freedom within the confines of a large enclosure
    >>surrounded by electric poultry netting.Freedom, and safety.
    >>
    >
    >
    > Sounds like Tony Blair's Britain....
    >
    > Derry

    Blair would let the pine martins in! (after all, Blair's Britain
    welcomes all :) )

    John
  22. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    "John" <john.p.young*removethislittlebit*@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
    news:3d7b0jF6t1jldU1@individual.net...
    > Derry Argue wrote:
    > > "w.g.s.hamm" <fenlandfowlREMOVETHIS@talktalk.net> wrote in
    > > news:zudbe.1031$CF.37614@news-1.opaltelecom.net:
    > >
    > >
    > >>The rest of
    > >>us allow our birds freedom within the confines of a large enclosure
    > >>surrounded by electric poultry netting.Freedom, and safety.
    > >>
    > >
    > >
    > > Sounds like Tony Blair's Britain....
    > >
    > > Derry
    >
    > Blair would let the pine martins in! (after all, Blair's Britain
    > welcomes all :) )
    He would let them in, ban any form of protection and punish any chicken
    silly enough to try to defend itself against the marten.
  23. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    "w.g.s.hamm" <fenlandfowlREMOVETHIS@talktalk.net> wrote in message
    news:bBybe.1040$CF.37778@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
    >
    >> >
    >> >>The rest of
    >> >>us allow our birds freedom within the confines of a large enclosure
    >> >>surrounded by electric poultry netting.Freedom, and safety.
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > Sounds like Tony Blair's Britain....
    >> >
    >> > Derry
    >>
    >> Blair would let the pine martins in! (after all, Blair's Britain
    >> welcomes all :) )
    > He would let them in, ban any form of protection and punish any chicken
    > silly enough to try to defend itself against the marten.

    And the knacker would have to come for the corpse.

    Mary
    >
    >
  24. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    w.g.s.hamm wrote:
    > "John" <john.p.young*removethislittlebit*@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
    > news:3d7b0jF6t1jldU1@individual.net...
    >
    >>Derry Argue wrote:
    >>
    >>>"w.g.s.hamm" <fenlandfowlREMOVETHIS@talktalk.net> wrote in
    >>>news:zudbe.1031$CF.37614@news-1.opaltelecom.net:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>The rest of
    >>>>us allow our birds freedom within the confines of a large enclosure
    >>>>surrounded by electric poultry netting.Freedom, and safety.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Sounds like Tony Blair's Britain....
    >>>
    >>>Derry
    >>
    >>Blair would let the pine martins in! (after all, Blair's Britain
    >>welcomes all :) )
    >
    > He would let them in, ban any form of protection and punish any chicken
    > silly enough to try to defend itself against the marten.
    >
    >

    And.... on top if it, he would pay the bl00dy pine martins to be there! :)

    John
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    "John" <john.p.young*removethislittlebit*@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
    news:3d9t45F6r7qupU1@individual.net...
    > w.g.s.hamm wrote:
    > > "John" <john.p.young*removethislittlebit*@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
    > > news:3d7b0jF6t1jldU1@individual.net...
    > >
    > >>Derry Argue wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>"w.g.s.hamm" <fenlandfowlREMOVETHIS@talktalk.net> wrote in
    > >>>news:zudbe.1031$CF.37614@news-1.opaltelecom.net:
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>The rest of
    > >>>>us allow our birds freedom within the confines of a large enclosure
    > >>>>surrounded by electric poultry netting.Freedom, and safety.
    > >>>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>Sounds like Tony Blair's Britain....
    > >>>
    > >>>Derry
    > >>
    > >>Blair would let the pine martins in! (after all, Blair's Britain
    > >>welcomes all :) )
    > >
    > > He would let them in, ban any form of protection and punish any chicken
    > > silly enough to try to defend itself against the marten.
    > >
    > >
    >
    > And.... on top if it, he would pay the bl00dy pine martins to be there! :)

    and provide them with a nest nest site or den area .
  26. Archived from groups: sci.agriculture.poultry,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.shooting.game (More info?)

    pammyT wrote:
    > "John" <john.p.young*removethislittlebit*@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
    > news:3d9t45F6r7qupU1@individual.net...
    >
    >>w.g.s.hamm wrote:
    >>
    >>>"John" <john.p.young*removethislittlebit*@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
    >>>news:3d7b0jF6t1jldU1@individual.net...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Derry Argue wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>"w.g.s.hamm" <fenlandfowlREMOVETHIS@talktalk.net> wrote in
    >>>>>news:zudbe.1031$CF.37614@news-1.opaltelecom.net:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>The rest of
    >>>>>>us allow our birds freedom within the confines of a large enclosure
    >>>>>>surrounded by electric poultry netting.Freedom, and safety.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Sounds like Tony Blair's Britain....
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Derry
    >>>>
    >>>>Blair would let the pine martins in! (after all, Blair's Britain
    >>>>welcomes all :) )
    >>>
    >>> He would let them in, ban any form of protection and punish any chicken
    >>>silly enough to try to defend itself against the marten.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>
    >>And.... on top if it, he would pay the bl00dy pine martins to be there! :)
    >
    >
    > and provide them with a nest nest site or den area .
    >
    >

    Yes but only after taxing the poor birds to death, to pay for the new
    accommodation!

    John
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