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True story I recieved...

First I'm going to tell you a little about me and my family. My name is Jeff. I am a Police Officer for a city which is known nationwide for its crime rate. We have a lot of gangs and drugs. At one point we were # 2 in the nation in homicides per capita. I also have a police K-9 named Thor. He was certified in drugs and general duty. He retired at 3 years old because he was shot in the line of duty. He lives with us now and I still train with him because he likes it. I always liked the fact that there was no way to bring drugs into my house. Thor wouldn't allow it. He would tell on you. The reason I say this is so you understand that I know about drugs. I have taught in schools about drugs. My wife asks all our kids at least once a week if they used any drugs. Makes them promise they wont.

I like building computers occasionally and started building a new one in February 2005. I also was working on some of my older computers. They were full of dust so on one of my trips to the computer store I bought a 3 pack of DUST OFF. Dust Off is a can of compressed air to blow dust off a computer. A few weeks later when I went to use them they were all used. I talked to my kids and my 2 sons both said they had used them on their computer and messing around with them. I yelled at them for wasting the 10 dollars I paid for them. On February 28 I went back to the computer store. They didn't have the 3 pack which I had bought on sale so I bought a single jumbo can of Dust Off. I went home and set it down beside my computer.

On March 1st I left for work at 10 PM. At 11 PM my wife went down and kissed Kyle goodnight. At 530 am the next morning Kathy went downstairs to wake Kyle up for school, before she left for work. He was sitting up in bed with his legs crossed and his head leaning over. She called to him a few times to get up. He didn't move. He would sometimes tease her like this and pretend he fell back asleep. He was never easy to get up. She went in and shook his arm. He fell over. He was pale white and had the straw from the Dust Off can coming out of his mouth. He had the new can of Dust Off in his hands. Kyle was dead. This was March 02, 2005.

I am a police officer and I had never heard of this. My wife is a nurse and she had never heard of this. We later found out from the coroner, after the autopsy, that only the propellant from the can of Dust off was in his system. No other drugs. Kyle had died between midnight and 1 Am.

I found out that using Dust Off is being done mostly by kids ages 9 through 15. They even have a name for it. It's called dusting. A take off from the Dust Off name. It gives them a slight high for about 10 seconds. It makes them dizzy. A boy who lives down the street from us showed Kyle how to do this about a month before. Kyle showed his best friend. Told him it was cool and it couldn't hurt you. Its just compressed air. It cant hurt you. His best friend said no.

Kyle's death

Kyle was wrong. It's not just compressed air. It also contains a propellant. I think its R2. Its a refrigerant like what is used in your refrigerator. It is a heavy gas. Heavier than air. When you inhale it, it fills your lungs and keeps the good air, with oxygen, out. That's why you feel dizzy, buzzed. It decreases the oxygen to your brain, to your heart. Kyle was right. It cant hurt you. IT KILLS YOU. The horrible part about this is there is no warning. There is no level that kills you. It's not cumulative or an overdose; it can just go randomly, terribly wrong. Roll the dice and if your number comes up you die. ITS NOT AN OVERDOSE. Its Russian roulette. You don't die later. Or not feel good and say I've had too much. You usually die as your breathing it in. If not you die within 2 seconds of finishing "the hit." That's why the straw was still in Kyle's mouth when he died. Why his eye's were still open.

The experts want to call this huffing. The kids don't believe its huffing. As adults we tend to lump many things together. But it doesn't fit here. And that's why its more accepted. There is no chemical reaction. no strong odor. It doesn't follow the huffing signals. Kyle complained a few days before he died of his tongue hurting. It probably did. The propellant causes frostbite. If I had only known.

Its easy to say hay, its my life and I'll do what I want. But it isn't. Others are always effected. This has forever changed our family's life. I have a hole in my heart and soul that can never be fixed. The pain is so immense I cant describe it. There's nowhere to run from it. I cry all the time and I don't ever cry. I do what I'm supposed to do but I don't really care. My kids are messed up. One wont talk about it. The other will only sleep in our room at night. And my wife, I cant even describe how bad she is taking this. I thought we were safe because of Thor. I thought we were safe because we knew about drugs and talked to our kids about them.

After Kyle died another story came out. A Probation Officer went to the school system next to ours to speak with a student. While there he found a student using Dust Off in the bathroom. This student told him about another student who also had some in his locker. This is a rather affluent school system. They will tell you they don't have a drug problem there. They don't even have a dare or plus program there. So rather than tell everyone about this "new" way of getting high they found, they hid it. The probation officer told the media after Kyle's death and they, the school, then admitted to it. I know that if they would have told the media and I had heard, it wouldn't have been in my house.

We need to get this out of our homes and school computer labs.

Using Dust Off isn't new and some "professionals" do know about. It just isn't talked about much, except by the kids. They know about it.

April 2nd was 1 month since Kyle died. April 5th would have been his 15th birthday. And every weekday I catch myself sitting on the living room couch at 2:30 in the afternoon and waiting to see him get off the bus. I know Kyle is in heaven but I cant help but wonder If I died and went to Hell.

Jeff Williams



Dust-Off, the product that proved to be Kyle Williams' undoing, has been implicated in a number of deaths:
The September 2001 death of 19-year-old Austin Purser in Valdez, Alaska, was attributed to Dust-Off. According to the young man's roommates, the decedent had come home about 4 a.m. and had huffed from an aerosol can of Dust-Off.

In January 2004 in Brooklyn, New York, 18-year-old Kristian Roggio was killed when her vehicle was struck by one driven by Vincent Litto, 20, who had been huffing from a can of Dust-Off when his car went over the double yellow lines and crashed head-on into hers.

The coroner's report on one of the fatalities in an August 2004 single-vehicle automobile accident in Sacramento, California, revealed the presence of difluoroethane (the propellant in Dust-Off) in the blood of a passenger in a Jeep which was estimated to have been traveling at 90 mph when it jumped a curb, hit a telephone pole, then crashed into a concrete wall. A can of Dust-Off was found in the wrecked vehicle. Of the three teens who died as a result of that crash (Matthew Walas, 15; Jeremiah Cremins, 16; Nicholas Goudberg, 17), only Walas' blood was tested, leaving open the question of whether the driver, Goudberg, was also under the influence. (Walas was killed instantly, whereas Goudberg lived on for a further eight days, and Cremins lasted three weeks past the accident. The coroner's office did not order toxicology tests on the blood of the two youths who lingered because these would have proved useless as the young men had received transfusions, plus they both lived long enough for any chemicals to have dissipated from their bloodstreams.)


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kids will always find something new to get high with. get rid of the crack and they use dust cans, get rid of the dust cans they will find somthing else.

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Reply to jihiggs

I don't know what to say. I'm sorry for your loss, and you and your wife and other children have my deepest condolences. A loss like that... I just don't know if I could take it.

Fortunately for me, both of my girls, while they had their share of problems, lived through them and are married with their own children now.

Mike.

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Reply to fishmahn
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I am sorry, I copied an email I got this evening. I am Richard.

But I checked snopes, and this story is for real.

Apparently Jeff just wants the word spread, and I sympathised with him also, so that is why I posted it, thinking of him.

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Reply to RichPLS

I'm sorry - You are definatly a good man my friend - but knowing that his name is Rich made me laugh out loud when I saw your reply.

Shame on Rich!

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Reply to Ned_Flanders

Dusting is cool - all the cool kids do it. I am a cool kid. Only nerds die from it.

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Reply to Ned_Flanders

If I caught my kid dead from dusting - I'd slap him silly.

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It's really hard to respect your attitude....

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Reply to TeeTewl
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Please put disclaimers on that stuff, Rich...I knew you weren't Jeff but maybe some of the new dudes don't.

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Reply to TeeTewl
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Man what a tragedy! Parents are the last to know!

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Reply to 4Ryan6

Oh no. This really is tragic.

Petrol sniffing; paint inhaling [huffing]; etc.



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dont forget whippits

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Reply to Bob369

Hey, hey! Bobby, I wondered when I would see you again. How are things going for you?

Mate, I'm truly the dumb Aussie at times so you'll have to enlighten me on what 'whippits' are? Something unpleasant, I suppose?

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Reply to BomberBill

It can be rather unpleasant when I 'whippit' out....

:eek: Sex is great but it's no substitute for the real thing :eek:

Reply to WingDing

:smile:

Long Schlong John is in the house!



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Reply to BomberBill

Get a can of spray-on whipped cream, and press the nozzle just a little bit, where the gas comes out but the whipped cream doesn't, and inhale. Get a buzz for a few seconds. Dennis Leary had a little rant about it on his No Cure For Cancer CD.

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Reply to Auburn9698

Jeez, kids are hard up for a good time if they're getting into this kind of thing. I suppose its the 'rebellious/cool' nature of the act: yeah, man, I got whipped over the weekend. Oh yeah, it just fockin' rocked, dude! You should have seen me, I was stumbling around with the can in my hand and mom was yelling at me to stop being a dickhead but what do you think I did, man? I got whipped again, bud. I jammed that can back up my nose and whipped my ass good, boy!!!'

Whatever happened to stealing 'one of Dad's beers' and enjoying that?

If its not hard pills, meth, crank, yaa baa, smack or candy crack then kids just aint happy these days.

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Reply to BomberBill
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actually they have found ways around the whip cream cans. Apparently now you can buy what appears to be CO2 cartriges, like the kind for bb guns, except they have Nitrous Oxide in them. These cartriges are sold to refill fancy whip cream cans that can be reused.

But anyway, you can let all the gas out into a balloon, then you basically huff it. I dont think it would be as bad as the propellent used in dusting cans. The fact is it still gets you high by the same method, cuttin off oxygen to your brain.

Oh yeah and every once in a while you hear about some crack head that breaks into a dentist office to steal a cylinder of the real Nitrous Oxide.

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Reply to Bob369

Aww, kids these days. I only tried it the old school way back on campus.

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Reply to Auburn9698
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the oddest thing is.. the only place that i have ever seen to sell the cartriges and crackers (device used to let the gas out) is the porn store.


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Reply to Bob369
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I have used whippets (nitros oxide or aka laughing gas), every time I go to dentist, I get gassed by him.

Thinking back to my teen years, I have seen childhood freinds huff paint, deodorant spray, etc by putting a towel over it to filter liquid and breath vapor.
Also at teen parties, kids would hyperventalate while sitting, stand and cross arms, and two people would push them aganst a wall till nearly passing out.
I even knew a guy, Tommy, who had a indian bike, and would huff gas fumes from his tank. He is still alive, and just as stupid.
This gas huffing thing has been around along time, but education has glossed over this and focus's one the so called glamor drugs.


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So I got me a pen and paper And I made up my own little sign</pre><p></font color=red>

Reply to RichPLS
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Yeah, TewTawl, I thought I did that, but now see that just the signature was the real clue.

This just struck a nerve, and I wanted even some of you guys to see Jeff's letter, and pass it on as per his wishes.
The point is that you read it, and learn something for it. My heart really goes out to this guy. And I commend him for sharing his painfull personal story.

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Reply to RichPLS
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Or Glade air freshners.. use a rag and inhale..

or what's the cough syrup that makes you feel like you're drugged up if you drink enough of it..

I even heard something about moth balls once.


I had this email sent to me a few days ago.. the writing in it seems a little.. 7th gradish..

you say it's legit, but everyone knows using emails doesn't really get the idea out.. put it on the news. that's what happend with Glade, with Dust Off cans.. I want to say the Dust Off cans were pulled off the market 3 years ago and the toxin in them replaced with something not hazardous.. this story is really old.

Reply to riser
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Wrong this story is new, and made the news. This kid died March 2005. And I would not judge his writing as I commend him the courage to put his feelings to words during a very traumatic time. He wants to share in the hopes of helping another parent from going through this.

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And the sign says "You got to have a membership card to get inside" Huh
So I got me a pen and paper And I made up my own little sign</pre><p></font color=red>

Reply to RichPLS
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Very odd.. I read a very similiar story to this back in 2001-2002 with Dust Off.. I'll see if I can dig up that history and post back if I find anything.

Reply to riser
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the dusting subject was on the news not to long ago... maybe two weeks when i seen it.

They mentioned several stories on the news, but i do not know if it relates to the one mentioned here.


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<A HREF="http://www.cleveland.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/living/1110450618145690.xml&coll=2" target="_new"> actual article on cleveland.com</A>

I did some back checking. A 19 year old in fact die in 2001 as I had remembered, citing snopes.com which you had also mentioned as your source.

Here's the deal.. Around that time, CFC were present in the Dust Off, so they moved over to HCFC to protect the environment. Not bad.

They used Ozone as the compressed gas. Now, ozone exists in the high altitude as O3, 3 oxygen particles instead of the standard O2 we breath. This was a step in the right direction on Dust Offs part.

Ozone is extremely dangerous and it's created when lightning flashes.. that's what keeps the environment healthy.

Anyhow.. it's not the fact that Dust Off killed him.. Dust Off actually didn't kill him.

What killed him was the compressed gas he inhaled caused him to not get enough air to his brain, which caused suffocation.

So, any producted using compressed gas, whatever it be, will do the same. Compressed air on the other hand, air being what he breath, is fine.

I commend him for posting the text on 2 websites, then it being taken off and formed into a chain letter, without his complaining.

I believe the article listed above is good information and a little more personal in it's writings.

But it's anything that uses HFCF (which is good to use because it puts ozone in the air to protect us from UV rays, etc) but basically compresed air is the only way to go.

The kid I thought of did die in 2001, same reason, but at the time it was thought to be the CFCs to kill him, not the lack of oxygen.

Reply to riser

Doh :eek: ... Didn't know if Rich was really your first name or not... Do now. :)

Mike.

PS: Some sort of warning????

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Reply to fishmahn
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I edited it after your post. But thank you for your concern and compassion nonetheless.
If more people had and expressed compassion, then we would have a better world and less wars.

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