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September 3, 2001 10:16:33 PM

So i to finish my last post on P4 price/performance vs t-bird price/performance

CPU
P4 1.8 245$ include heatsink fan warrenty.
T-bird 125 include heatsink fan warrenty.

Dont forget that many change they Heatsink/fan combo.Anyway

Motherboard

MSI K7 master 128 retail
ASUS P4T 159 retail

Memory

DDR 2100cas 2.5 and not 2 like Toms use 128 x 2 =32
Pc 800 128x2 72$

35$ for case
30$ for 400 watt enermax
147$ HD ibm 60 GB
30$ CDROM
9$ Network card
100$ Speaker
299$ Geforce 3 MSI star force
88$ Sound blaster X-gamer
20 $ for mice/keyboard
200$ for nice screen

Grand total

P4 1445$
T-bird 1253$

1445-1253=192$

So for 200 buck you got
overall score about 6% faster (cas 2.5)
Intel chipset stable....
No driver update.


Does the price/ratio is so bad is sure it better on a AMD.
I850

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September 3, 2001 11:29:05 PM

Hey juin, with my extra 200 I will get a raid setup, or tons more ram, or any number of things which make my system kick the hell out of yours. So yes, it still sounds very bad.

PS: the 1.4tbird is equal or faster than the 1.8p4.

PPS:o verall 6% better is NOT going to be noticed by the end user, but the missing 200 bucks will, get over it the p4 in its current form is unjustifiable sh!t, that is unless you have unlimited funds you can part with, then I can see a case being made for the 2ghz p4. HOWEVER, even with that whenever a set amount of money is specified, unless everything purchased is the top of the line, the extra money can be used to ipgrade the athlon system to HIGHER performance than the p4.

200 bucks is quite a bit of cash, especially when you are trying to justify its expendature with a performance increase(which is debatable) which would not even be noticable to anyone.

~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
September 4, 2001 1:35:25 AM

Of course, one must realize that the KT266A pretty much demolishes the P4 2GHz performance advantage over the T-bird. Whoops...

I'm actually rather impressed with VIA this time around.

Kelledin

"/join #hackerz. See the Web. DoS interesting people."
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September 4, 2001 1:42:38 AM

Ahh I almost forgot, so juin, what is the rationale for buying the p4 now?.....the neato intel inside sticker amdmeltdoofus jacks off to?

~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
September 4, 2001 4:50:31 AM

Hey juin, with my extra 200 I will get a raid setup, or tons more ram, or any number of things which make my system kick the hell out of yours. So yes, it still sounds very bad.

Yes a raid setup to close the gap in performance will probaly be equal with P4.

Still P4 is more stable on this point you can change anything.

PS: the 1.4tbird is equal or faster than the 1.8p4.
Liar

200 bucks is quite a bit of cash, especially when you are trying to justify its expendature with a performance increase(which is debatable) which would not even be noticable to anyone

The 200 buck is verynotice able.If you dont have internet what you do for your nice Via 4in1 that you like so much.

That is noticeable.
September 4, 2001 4:52:25 AM

Of course, one must realize that the KT266A pretty much demolishes the P4 2GHz performance advantage over the T-bird. Whoops

Liar too and it will be easy to prove but i think you say that VIA have close the gap.
September 4, 2001 4:56:08 AM

Juin, JFYI the Via 4-in-1's come on a CD that is provided by the MOBO. Manuf. in the Mobo. Box.......so once again, when you know what your talking about, please go nutz, but for now....please STFU.

-MeTaL RoCkEr
My <font color=red> Z28 </font color=red> can take your <font color=blue> P4 </font color=blue> off the line!
September 4, 2001 4:58:37 AM

Yhea old version who is slow and full of bug.They just release a new USB patch ""bug""".
Without internet forget VIA.

Nice try.
September 4, 2001 5:05:24 AM

mm hmmm....slow and full of bugs....I guess all software is slow and full of bugs than too... (wait, thats true...look @ Windows) but still.....It works....the majority of peopel who will be buying these types of PERFORMANCE machines will have the internet anyways juin, r u forgetting that one major important fact ??

Whats someone goign to do, some jackass who knows jack sh!t is goign to walk off the streets and into a computer store and pick up a bunch of computer parts not knowing how to assemble the damnt hing in the first place and than use it ?? No....obviously people (experienced buyers and/or users) will do some research on what thwy want to buy....and they will get that, and in order to do this research im DAMN sure they'll even have an EXISITING computer and i'll gaurantee that one has the internet on it so that way it's all done....wow juin....very hard concept to grasp eh ?

Who the hell will know about the Via KT266A and about Via South Bridge problems and all that without first havign the internet to KNOW about these motherboards with these chipsets on it anyways ?? Duh...

-MeTaL RoCkEr
My <font color=red> Z28 </font color=red> can take your <font color=blue> P4 </font color=blue> off the line!
September 4, 2001 5:28:04 AM

Juin = Bowser = Rdram

Nice Nvidia and ATi users get a Cookie.... :smile: Yummy :smile:
September 4, 2001 5:46:31 AM

<sarcasm>
Oh! I'm hit! I'm hit! I've been called a <i>liar!</i> I suppose I'm just devastated by your verbal assault. :tongue:
</sarcasm>

Really, what's that, the third time you've called me a liar? <A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/mainboard/01q3/010902/index..." target="_new">Here's my link</A>--perhaps not decisive, but what do you have?

Come to think of it, I provided links last time you called me a "liar" as well.

By the way, I haven't applied the VIA 4in1 once since I got this motherboard, and it's still perfectly stable. Imagine that! :lol: 

Kelledin

"/join #hackerz. See the Web. DoS interesting people."
September 4, 2001 6:22:03 AM

Hello, Shoppers there is a little boy name "Juin". He is looking for his mommy. So can juin's mommy please come to the Cpu Section and pick up your son. Thank you.

Nice Nvidia and ATi users get a Cookie.... :smile: Yummy :smile:
September 4, 2001 6:25:53 AM

ROFL :lol:  ain't that the truth.

Kelledin

"/join #hackerz. See the Web. DoS interesting people."
September 4, 2001 6:26:30 AM

hehe

Nice Nvidia and ATi users get a Cookie.... :smile: Yummy :smile:
Anonymous
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September 4, 2001 6:35:04 AM

Juin i told to stay in my sight. Hmmm your a bad boy your going to bud and no computer time. I dont you will be on your Dell with a P4 1.3ghz 128mb PC600 and TNT m64 32mb tonight.

Juin you been a bad boy goto your room
September 4, 2001 6:36:51 AM

Yeah, I'm sure VIA will be providing old, slow, buggy 4-in-1's with the KT266A. I guess when you don't know how to update drivers, then installing the 4-in-1 drivers is a big deal. For the rest of us who know how, it's a non-issue. Get over it, juin, nobody cares about having to install the 4-in-1 drivers.

<i>Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.</i>
Anonymous
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September 4, 2001 7:47:34 AM

Your a nut! lol

~I want a vapochill inside~
September 4, 2001 4:00:35 PM

are you actually learning anything or are you just running your mouth blindly?

What is the difference between <font color=red>pink</font color=red> and <font color=purple>purple</font color=purple>? The <b>GRIP</b>!
September 4, 2001 7:01:12 PM

Quote:
Yhea old version who is slow and full of bug.

So are Windows. Did Win98 SE released after Win98 are full of bugs as well as Win2000 (SP1 and now SP2)?
Don't you realize your words are full of BS?

:smile: Good or Bad have no meaning at all, depends on what your point of view is.
September 5, 2001 12:18:14 AM

indeed...
i would like to see tom do the athlon 1.4 Vs P4 2.0 review again...
this time using the KT266A mobo.
i imagine the performance difference would be quite minimal , if not zero.

I'll respect your comments & opinions, even if i disagree with them, Provided you display maturity.
September 5, 2001 12:36:29 AM

mm hmmm....slow and full of bugs....I guess all software is slow and full of bugs than too... (wait, thats true...look @ Windows) but still.....It works....the majority of peopel who will be buying these types of PERFORMANCE machines will have the internet anyways juin, r u forgetting that one major important fact ??

Microsoft software
Intel hardware
September 5, 2001 2:52:01 PM

And intel needs software optimized for it's hardware to be used properly.

What is the difference between <font color=red>pink</font color=red> and <font color=purple>purple</font color=purple>? The <b>GRIP</b>!
September 5, 2001 3:06:23 PM

LoL, juin you call me a liar?

http://www.hardocp.com/reviews/chipsets/kt266a/

weep and it read.

Now run along little guy.

PS: wtf are you so diehard p4 for you run a freakin p3 550 katmai, you have 0 experience with either an amd or a p4, go get a life or something.


~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
Anonymous
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September 5, 2001 4:28:54 PM

Sorry mommy!(says Juin!)

~I want a vapochill inside, but who gives 2 [peeps]~
September 5, 2001 4:30:19 PM

Speaking of which where is his mommy. She left her underwear over at my place.

What is the difference between <font color=red>pink</font color=red> and <font color=purple>purple</font color=purple>? The <b>GRIP</b>!
September 5, 2001 4:32:29 PM

I wouldn't go spreading that around, if I were you.



<font color=blue>Quarter pounder inside</font color=blue>
<font color=red>Change the Sig of the Week!!!</font color=red>
Anonymous
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September 5, 2001 4:34:30 PM

Arr you are his daddy then! lol
Went a step to far my friend in the wrong forum.hehe

~I want a vapochill inside, but who gives 2 [peeps]~
September 5, 2001 4:36:12 PM

Hehehe. Who's your daddy. I want a dna test.

What is the difference between <font color=red>pink</font color=red> and <font color=purple>purple</font color=purple>? The <b>GRIP</b>!
Anonymous
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September 5, 2001 4:36:46 PM

Welcome back if you didnt see it before.

~I want a vapochill inside, but who gives 2 [peeps]~
September 6, 2001 3:53:59 AM

Ok i have try to take equal benchmark at toms.As you toms.

I have look for quake not the same quake.
I have look for all benchmark no is use in P4 2000 and via.
strange and toms dont have use any P4 again via Kt266a.Something have happen in Wildcat/quadro/elsa benchmark.

i will find something soon
September 6, 2001 8:25:54 AM

Juin, when you find your super proof that the p4 2ghz is worth the extra 480 you be sure and tell me, kay.

PS: check the new sig!

~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
Anonymous
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September 6, 2001 9:42:56 AM

Please for the sake of the other forum goers finding a Brain first is definately more important.

But if you do find any 1.4 on KT266A vs P4 2GHZ post the link then drive off a cliff in that order (die hard penny-arcade fans will understand)
September 6, 2001 2:47:42 PM

I'm just curious where do you get your pricing for the tbirds? They always seen to be about 20~40$ higher than what anyone else can find.

What is the difference between <font color=red>pink</font color=red> and <font color=purple>purple</font color=purple>? The <b>GRIP</b>!
September 6, 2001 5:57:54 PM

Actually, $125 is about right for retail TBird 1.4G.
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufa..." target="_new"><font color=blue>AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.4GHz 266MHz Bus Socket A PGA Processor-<b><font color=black>Retail Box Version with Heatsink and Fan</A></font color=blue></font color=black></b>

:smile: Good or Bad have no meaning at all, depends on what your point of view is.
September 6, 2001 7:27:56 PM

Yeah, I guess this one was the wrong thread to post in. There is a local company that we get ours through that sells them at about 115. But in his other post he has it at something like $157.

What is the difference between <font color=red>pink</font color=red> and <font color=purple>purple</font color=purple>? The <b>GRIP</b>!
Anonymous
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September 7, 2001 2:40:01 AM

June, Let's see those benchmarks.

You are now an "addict" in about 4 months of posting. Very good! Congratulations.

Is Intel paying you any money to support their products? I think you deserve at least a 1.4 GHz P4 (old socket) which can be upgraded to a 2.0 for an extra $500. You should write to Intel that you are a computer reviewer and would like to test out the latest motherboards and CPUs.

When is the rest of your family going to show up. I've seen your mommy and daddy around the boards. Do you have a brother or sister?

You are a very polite person. The worst thing that you've called anyone is "LIAR!"
September 7, 2001 6:03:48 AM

Just like you Slow and Full of Bugs. Mybe you should use raid in Your Home.
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