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January 10, 2009 3:39:10 AM

That's funny, Perlow's the only one I've heard of so far who has a less-than-positive review on 7.
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January 10, 2009 4:27:59 AM

I've downloaded both versions of Windows 7 32bit and 64bit last night before folks overwhelmed the servers. I installed it on my VMWare machine to see what's so different about it. Right now as of Build 7000 not much except the taskbar is a little different.

Pretty booting up screen tho.

I think Microsoft should just drop Win7 and come out with a Service Pack 4 for WinXP to give us DirectX 10 support and others.

Nothing wrong with keeping WinXP alive since it still works!!

Just the GUI needs to be updated a little bit but the core OS should remain the same.
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January 10, 2009 7:10:54 AM

Darkkas of Build 7000 not much except the taskbar is a little different.


You don't know what you're talking about, so just shut up. The context menus are worth the download.
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January 10, 2009 7:18:10 AM

2.5GB? It was 3.5GB on the torrents as far as I can remember. Probably just a typo.

EDIT: Hmm... it seems 3.15GB for the 64-bit version and 2.44GB for the 32-bit version.
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January 10, 2009 10:23:36 AM

MSDN versions of build 7000 have 32-bit @ 2,497.48MB and 32-bit @ 3,230.10MB
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January 10, 2009 10:52:22 AM

there are a lot of positive user reviews on the torrents.
probably, beta versions aren't that bloated yet compared to an official release which explains the speed of response they experience with the beta.
yet, i hope i'm wrong.
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January 10, 2009 12:47:30 PM

By far the best beta release by M$. I still would love to know why they install stuff that it should know that I don't have. Example I loads of things such as tablet pc stuff installed. It may work better on old configs but I wouldn't install it on an old PC other than to see what it would do. Also Aero still takes a respectable GPU, why? Linux has desktop effects that are much more impressive and can run on just about anything. While improved in Windows 7 Aero still looks slow when compared with Macs and Linux and I running a 4870x2.

Unlike the SP1 for Vista which didn't do very much at all this seem to be the performance fix that Vista users were looking for. It's leaner and slightly more responsive. The UI layout is improved but it's still more or less vista sp2 in my book. Also this should have been 64bit only as they originally planned. By releasing both versions they will keep the waters muddy. Software devs will continue to focus on x86 while the vast majority of desktops sold will come with the 64bit version installed.

Features like User Access Control have been greatly improved and processes like indexing are less disruptive. Those alone will change your impression of the OS.

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January 10, 2009 12:48:59 PM

Yeah... they can be downloaded via torrent in about 2 hours. I'm seeding several versions myself.
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January 10, 2009 1:23:40 PM

i'm signed up in microsofts connect thing, but how do you get a key? I havent been "invited" to connect yet but i can't get a key O_O and i REALLY wanna beta test legally
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January 10, 2009 4:00:37 PM

The beta is now on the official page.
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January 10, 2009 6:20:44 PM

"the servers' inability to handle the heavy-duty traffic.", sounds like a lame excuse to me!

Why don't they bittorrent it,and at the same time set up queues in their download page?
I'm sure there are hundreds of people who won't care about uploading upto 30% of their download via bittorrent, and it would save Windows a few terrabytes on data!
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January 10, 2009 6:22:09 PM

DarkkI've downloaded both versions of Windows 7 32bit and 64bit last night before folks overwhelmed the servers. I installed it on my VMWare machine to see what's so different about it. Right now as of Build 7000 not much except the taskbar is a little different.Pretty booting up screen tho.I think Microsoft should just drop Win7 and come out with a Service Pack 4 for WinXP to give us DirectX 10 support and others.Nothing wrong with keeping WinXP alive since it still works!!Just the GUI needs to be updated a little bit but the core OS should remain the same.

Agree fully with you, however,probably they already went over budget with XP, and fear they won't get any profit out of it anymore.
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January 10, 2009 9:52:33 PM

ProDigit80Agree fully with you, however,probably they already went over budget with XP, and fear they won't get any profit out of it anymore.


I don't agree with either of you. OSs get updated, get over it. If XP works well for you, keep using it. The rest of us won't miss you. ^^

ByDesignAlso this should have been 64bit only as they originally planned. By releasing both versions they will keep the waters muddy.


You are right, they need to start force-feeding 64-bit to the unknowing public. I'm sure the release of a 32-bit Win7 is more related with WOW64 compatability issues than anything else. MS is probably waiting for the devs to catch up with 64-bit, and the devs are waiting for MS to start force-feeding it.

My download just finished, so I'm off to the races. I wonder if Tom's will do a review of the beat?
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January 11, 2009 1:41:54 AM

DarkkI think Microsoft should just drop Win7 and come out with a Service Pack 4 for WinXP to give us DirectX 10 support and others.Nothing wrong with keeping WinXP alive since it still works!!Just the GUI needs to be updated a little bit but the core OS should remain the same.
No, because XP has some limitations and could be optimized. Some parts of WinXP are the same since Win 3.11... like fonts. What they should do is to change their philosophy of what is an OS. What we need is a common kernel, very compact which contains drivers, kernel APIs, DX10, registry, ..., and then all the UI would be a simple plugin which connect to that kernel, like linux. If you just want a console, a xp style ui without alpha blending or even a crazy 3D UI you will be satisfied with that OS, since you will choose what you need.
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January 11, 2009 8:50:20 AM

The reason that win7 seems to be "less" bloated is that they leave of some programs like e-mail and so on. that you can download from windows-live or something like that so actually it is not so much smaller...
Win7 is Vista with "new" clothes. Nothing so spectacular. This time the driver support should be better because of extra time. So more polished Vista, as it should have been.
Yaeh I would allso like to see more modular aproach, but it has not been MS-style of doing OS... They want to segment the customer base via different windows versions, not by customising options.
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January 11, 2009 1:15:01 PM

The history of operating systems is based on the constant revision and perfection of existing operating systems. Allow me to give several examples.

There are many Apple fans here that are screaming Vista at Windows 7. In what way, then, is Leopard a massive leap from Tiger? Tiger a leap from Panther?

The explanation for these incremental releases is simple: Apple has a stable codebase with the OSX core, and now they are constantly seeking, in small ways, to make it ever so slightly better.

The features introduced in Leopard over Tiger are nothing compared to the features being introduced in Windows 7. The Superbar is a massive paradigm shift in windows computing, take it or leave it. Vista now has a stable, reliable core codebase. Their priority now SHOULD be improving what they have, removing what they dont need, making better what they can make better, faster what they can make faster, and easier what they can make easier.

Might I add another point for the consideration of Linux users. I have has Ubuntu as my secondary OS for quite a while, and many KDE based distros before that. And every time a new release of these desktop environments or distros was released, they garnered much praise over older versions. Until things went horribly wrong with KDE 4. KDE 4 IS a massive shift over the previous 3.5 series. But that is not appealing to the users, when instead the users said that they should have instead focused on IMPROVING their current line of KDE - not starting from scratch.

It is even more evident with GNOME. For years, GNOME has not released a major rework of their desktop environment. Instead, they have made it sleeker, faster, and prettier over time.

So what, may I ask, is the problem with Microsoft doing the same thing?
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January 11, 2009 9:27:57 PM

I stumbled upon the Windows 7 download last night, and downloaded it no problem... maybe I got lucky?

Just got done re-sizing my partitions, and installing Windows 7, updating the drivers, and beta Kaspersky.

Being a Vista user, I consider 7 a positive incimental update. So far I am enjoying improvements to the task bar, consider the start menu more clean, and was able to upgrade my Nvidia drivers through the Windows Updates without so much as a reboot. While writing this message, my screen flickered for a second, and a note popped up in the corner stating my driver was installed successfully.

A leaner, improved version of Windows Vista 64bit is fine by me!
-Still not digging IE8 tho. Think I'm going to install Opera in a second here.
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January 11, 2009 10:54:53 PM

Windows 7 is indeed faster, and I like that. However, the taskbar is horrid, I actually really hate it, it's the only thing that makes me more annoyed than a BSoD because a BSoD will go away after a reboot, but this taskbar is apparently to stay...

All in all, all the tests I've done on Windows 7 Beta 1 (build 7000) on VirtualBox says that people should be eagerly waiting for Windows 7 since it is an improvement to Windows Vista like how Windows XP was an improvement (or not, depending on who you talk to) over Windows 2000. Hence, the internal version numbers will show. Version 5.0 was 2000, 5.1 was XP, 5.2 was Server 2003, 6.0 is Vista and 6.1 is Win 7.
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January 11, 2009 11:06:15 PM

You can revert to the classic taskbar (not sure how, but you can), but if it's just the size that bothers you, go to the taskbar properties and select small icons. It will then be the same size as it was on Vista, down to the partially cut-off start button.
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January 12, 2009 3:03:16 PM

My comments keep getting deleted. Is there some sort of secret manual for Tomiquette? I even have a cool fucking avatar of myself. I'm too legit to quit.
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