I'm thinking about purchasing a 1.4 ghz Athlon but beforehand i'd like to know if AMD will be releasing any faster Athlon's in the near future.
It's been rumored that they are supposed to release 1.5 & 1.6 GHz palamino's in october but I'm not holding my breath.
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P4 2.0a is coming in month or two. Well i want see what a working P4 looks like.
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I dont know i'm thinking late october for AthlonXP's
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so would you advise waiting til the end of October then? i think i'll go ahead and get my 1.4 athlon now as the new Athlons will obviously start off very pricey.
Go ahead and get a 1.4. They're dirt cheap, so it's not a problem to get that now and upgrade to something else later.
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All i need to do now is decide which motherboard to get, the 3 i'm looking at are: Epox 8k7a+, Abit KG7 and Gigabyte GA-7DXR...i can't decide which to get!
Abit KG7 for sure:
Onboard RAID
4 DIMM's
Numerous Overclocking/Tweaking Features
Excellent Bios
Agreed. Performance-wise, the AMD 761 isn't the best, but the tweaking and stability of the KG7 outweigh that.
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The kr7-raid is coming in a few weeks, same bios and board as kg7 but with the kt266a chipset, THAT is the board I will buy to replace my venerable kt7a-raid.
~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
The new ones will be pricey and not all that different from the t-birds. The only REAL difference is full support for SSE. Compare a AthlonMP to a reg. Athlon at the same clock speed and they're not all that different (in terms of performance). The AthlonXP will be a bit of a joke. Only good thing: higher clock speeds, which means they'll be able to compete with high clocked P4's.
-MP Jesse
"Signatures Still Suck"
Will microsoft Sue amd for saying there processor is called the Athlon<font color=red>XP</font color=red>
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MPJesse, I believe you are mistaken.
At a given clock speed, the new Athlon MP/XP will be as much as 10% faster as compared to an equally clocked Athlon without the SSE instructions. This is in regards to apps that use the instructions (most do).
MP, you are indeed mistaken, average performance increase clock for clock is 10-15%. This is due to the hardware prefetch mostly I would assume.
~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
MP the Palomino core offers several improvem ents over Thunderbird
1) SSE support
2) lower power consumption (less heat generated by roughly 20-25%)
3) Redesigned core to improve internal eficiency
4) Data prefetch
These 4 things combine to give Palomino (in MP form right now) a 10% average performance boost. Yes, some things will only be marginally faster per clock, but other things will be MUCH faster per clock.
Of course, we won't know how all this translates to the desktop versions of the CPU until it ships next month and benchmarks are presented by reviewers.
Mark-
When all else fails, throw your computer out the window!!!
I know the differences, but this is what I said:
"Compare a AthlonMP to a reg. Athlon at the same clock speed and they're not all that different (in terms of performance)"
Overall, the only REAL advantage the Palomino has is scalability.
-MP Jesse
"Signatures Still Suck"
follow this link:
<A HREF="http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/01q2/010605/760mp-06.html" target="_new">http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/01q2/010605/760mp-06.html</A>
Actually performance advantages are more like in the 1-5% arena. Hardly worth noting. Again, the only real advantage the Palomino has is scalability.
-MP Jesse
"Signatures Still Suck"
Jesus, you people want to argue over 10%! Give me a break. According to benches, it's more like 5%. I say yet again... the only REAL advantage of the AthlonXP/MP is scalability!!! =)
-MP Jesse
"Signatures Still Suck"
No offense, but do not put all your faith in one site alone. Tom's is reputable, but I feel myself questioning the outputs of those benchmarks. I have seen and read on numerous other sites showing the Athlon MP (Palamino) showing MUCH (relatively speaking) improved preformace. 10% was range was not uncommon, just an average. Considering SSE is used in more than a few applications, this will be quite a big boost in "free" speed. Also, the new incorporated data prefetch should become a lot more apparent in it's speed boost as time goes on.
In addition, are you forgetting the lower power consumption and lower heat output?
10% clock for clock is A LARGE difference. You are wrong when you say palominos only benifit is scalability.
~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
Agreed.
Read sharkeys, check out anandtech, many reviewers show the 10-15% bonus across the board. This bonus is by no means small.
Even a 5% increase negates your claim that "the palominos only benifit is scaleability" that is all I am saying.
~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
october 12th is the date i believe...
if in doubt blame microsoft...
Tell me 5% dfoesn't make much difference AFTER benchmarks of Palomino on KT266A based motherboards are put up against P4 2Ghz systems and outperform them on almost every benchmark, Wusy.
While there are no benchmarks like this available yet, a month from now there will be.
In a nutshell...when comparing two different CPUs and chipsets, 5% can mean everything as far as which provides the best performance and which provides the most bang for the buck.
Right now Athlon offers the most bang for the buck and P4 offers best performance. But in a month this may not be the case...Athlon may once again be the top CPU in both categories. I say *may* because we don't know for certain until benchmarks demonstrate one way or the other. We can only estimate based on past performance comparisons of Athlon and Palominos.
Mark-
When all else fails, throw your computer out the window!!!
Agreed.
~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
typical of an AMD user, 3 mainboards swapped out, 4 cpus burn outs, 10 different cooling solutions, 20-50 different configs, loss of time, business and or cliets(does not apply to AMD pups on this board) bottom line AMD platform sucks bigtime!
"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
MELTEDDICK you rank right up there with the Internets greatest INTEL dick suckers.... Do you get a check from INTEL to be such a blind lemming... noone gives a [-peep-] about your opinion.... I am buying a nFORCE and a palamino 1.533 soon as it hit the stores next month... I am sure there is plenty of people who are also planning AMD RIGS.... and no amount of FUD or BS or idiotic non-technical propoganda you spread will stop it.
If you love INTEL so much... buy a P4 with your INTEL STOOGE CHECK u get every month.. enjoy the HOLLOW-HERTZ and shut the [-peep-] up.
I have seen much much more hardcore INTEL Stooges than u convert to AMD.... you are not even worth the spittle under the bottom of the shoe of most of the posters here
If you love INTEL... u can preach about how great INTEL is... thats fine... but to sit around all day bashing AMD ... giving AMD no credit.. denying facts... makes u a PAID INTEL SHILL and thats all you are
So the whole forum should consider you a bought and paid for INTEL bitch ...and everything you say is highly suspect at best
I believe AMD will be releasing higher clocked Athlon XP at 1.5 and 1.6 GHz (model 1800 & 1900) on 12th Oct.
If you got the cash wait and buy one then.
Also at that time NForce motherboards should be avaliable which will boost the performance of your system even more.
However be warned that if you buy a 1.4Mhz Athlon now and wish to upgrade to an Athlon XP later you will need to update your BIOS.
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LoL, I think pope took care of this one.
~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
Trust me, I don't put all my faith in one site.
-MP Jesse
"Signatures Still Suck"
"typical of an AMD user, 3 mainboards swapped out, 4 cpus burn outs, 10 different cooling solutions"
Hey Meathead read my sig before u judge
u notice most builders are first timers that have problems
Blame the newbies not the technology
Still on my first CPU, mainboard, and heatsink. Got teh 1.2 Ghz when it came out. So go away, and shut up!
Your brain: PC
You brain on drugs: Mac
Hey pal read "RE: AMDMELTDOWN"
It wasnt to you so settle down jacka$$
Blame the newbies not the technology
"It's for AMD people ONLY"
I beg to differ...
-Raystonn
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I believe I started a trend I shall now continue:
In reference to Raystonn's remark:
Agreed.
Now, the first time I built my !AMD! system, I had no problems whatsoever. Now you can get rid of saying only "newbies" and keep it to "labotomized newbies."
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Agreed ;-)
As for there being no current reason to buy palomino I give 3
1: 20% cooler for those higher overclocks.
2: 10% faster clock for clock(or even 5% if you only read thg)
3: thermal diode for more accurate temprature monitoring.
~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
Athlon mp's only can be bought at 1.2ghz, since palomino will probably be smp enabled AND they will be cheaper than their equavelent mp counterpart, I would just get 2 palominos and run the dualie setup.
(that is if I wasnt getting the palomino and kt266a mobo in a month cause I sold my wifes athlon classic 750 system to a friend and am giving my wife my 1.33 kt7a raid system, W00t!)
~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
| Quote : Hey pal read "RE: AMDMELTDOWN"
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I believe he was directing his comment to Meltdown as well. He simply clicked on the last name in the list to make his reply.
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wusy, I for one respect Raystonn's opinion, and rcf and juin both have good things to say from time to time (when they take a break from their trolling).
Stay open minded or stay out.
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Well if thats the case than I appologize
Blame the newbies not the technology
Fat, I agree on rcf and raystonn, but the ONLY thing juin has ever said which was constructive was when he linked to articles, I have never seen him say anything himself which was not ignorant or troll like.(bad babel fish translations aside.)
~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
He doesn't use Babel Fish. I wish he did.
You're right, the only thing is when he links to articles. Sometimes those are useful, and a couple of times he's actually made intelligent comments that started some good conversation about the topic. Don't ask me to find an example, talk about finding a needle in a haystack
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Speaking of which, has juin disappeared?
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Nope, he replied to one of my posts last night merely with "LOL". No clue what that was supposed to mean. I'm glad he's not gone. Every village/forum needs an idiot.
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Why do all the Athlon lovers think that Nforce will be the Great White Hope of a dating core. The K7 CANNOT, repeat, serveral times if necessary, CANNOT use all that Bandwidth. Not even the P4 in its current configuation use 4.2 Gb/s of Bandwidth. Anyway Anandtech have reviewed the NForce and found it isn't such hot$hit afterall.
For all that, will never buy AMD, Jerry Sanders is the most annoying man on the planet, afte Tony Blair. At least Barret looks the part of CEO of a major corperate player.
(At last, have been promoted from stranger)
Wait, so because some people think an nVidia product is better than it really is, you'll never buy something from AMD?
I for one realized a long time ago the nForce is nothing but hot air.
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No, sorry I wasn't clear. Read Inside Intel. Its a good book that was compiled with out the co-operation of Intel. In it the author recounts on numerous occasions when AMD ripped of Intel, buying one of their processors and popping the lid of and looking at the circuits under a microscope, then a few months later releasing their own product. I find that just wrong. Intel sells the ARM embedded processors, but at least it licenses them from ARM holding (about the only vaguely succussful UL semi-conductor company). Read about the exploits of AMD CEO and you'll see what I mean.
LOL, popping off the lid and looking at the circuts under a microscope LOL, do you have any clue as to how those things work, just looking at the metal layer tracings dosent tell you how the cpu works, oh and you cant just pop the "lid" and look at them either.
As for nforce, it gives a nice boost, not as much as a kt266a but the integrated sound is a sticking point for me, I want to ditch sb but I also like the 3% boost kt266a has over the nforce, decisions decisions. Plus the kt266a is coming out sooner.
~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
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