heat sink falling off ?

WHile reading the installation manual for my new Swiftech HSF, I stumbled across this amazing crash test:
<A HREF="http://www.swiftnets.com/MC462.htm" target="_new">http://www.swiftnets.com/MC462.htm</A> scroll down to paragraph "2". Here is a quote (go to the site for the pics):
Quote:
<b> We conducted crash tests by dropping repeatedly a computer equipped with the MC462 from the roof of a one story building, with no damage to the processor.</b>

Crash test procedure: Barebone equipped with an Asus A7V motherboard, our favorite Duron 650, and the MC462 heat sink without fan. The only protection between processor and heat sink was a piece of paper masking tape (only because we didn't want to damage the heat sink's soft copper surface!). <b>The barebone was thrown from a height of approximately 30 feet, three times</b>: once on the back, once on the front, and once on the side. We wanted to study how an extremely violent impact would affect the assembly in totally different and opposite directions.

<b> We tried the processor after each test. It remained functional throughout the abuse, and is still working today. There was extensive damage to the case, but no damage whatsoever to the motherboard, nor to the heat sink assembly.</b>


This really puts a different light to Toms testing.. (I know, HSF attached with these clips wouldnt survive, but then again, who drops a PC from 10 foot ?)

You say "the fan might fail" ? Here is another quote of someone who doesnt have thermal protection, MBM shut down, etc (also from swiftech homepage ):

Quote:

"We are hell on fans over here but it has given me new respect for the Swiftech MC-462. Our primary test bed is a <b> 1.0GHz TBird at 1.5GHz </b>. The Delta 80mm fan on the heatsink failed, at some point, and the MC-462 kept the chip from being something to spread butter on. Playing Serious Sam online and looked up to see a CPU temp of 70 degrees C. That Swiftech MC-462 kicks more ass than Tyson when he's hungry!"

I put the above up on our home page. VERY nice sink. People talk big about the ThermalRight SK6 and how it outperforms the MC-462. I can say that the SK6 would not even boot my PC at a 50% overclock. <b>The MC-462 not only booted it but ran without a fan until I noticed it some 10 minutes later </b>. And that was because I glanced up from a game of Serious Sam online to see a digital temp readout


source: http://www.swiftnets.com/ (SwifTech homepage)
http://www.overclockercafe.com/

My bottom line one the heat protection issue: get a decent heatsink (that bolts to your MB), install MBM or configure your BIOS to shut down on a certain temperature, and dont worry at all.

---- Owner of the only Dell computer with an AMD chip
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  1. Hear Hear, toms test was pointless.

    ~Matisaro~
    "The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
    ~Tbird1.3@1.5~
  2. that's nice, leave it up to the 3rd party hsf designers to design something that AMD should've built into their cpu in the first place: Investment Protection.

    Add an extra $100 to your AMD rig, ROFLMAO!

    "<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
  3. Still cheaper than the Pentium 4, dumbass.

    "If you teach a child to read, then he or her will be able to pass a literacy test" - George W.
  4. You don't seem to understand that while the Swifty uses the motherboard mounting holes, most coolers use the clip retailners on the socket, which are very brittle. I'd like to see you order a new OEM system with a Swiftech!

    Back to you Tom...
  5. http://violet.arpashells.com/~rikki/fire.jpg

    For more info on heatsinks ;)
  6. You cant fault a cpu company for the failures of the heatsink, the point is the swifttech takes ADVANTAGE of the holes designed into the socket a spec, a hsf which breaks the clips on the ziff is whats badly designed, not the whole socket a platform.

    ~Matisaro~
    "The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
    ~Tbird1.3@1.5~
  7. Ahhh, but I don't think Tom's comparison was meant for the hardcare users anyway, I think it was meant to show off the advantage of the new AMD processors which have thermal diodes. But when THAT failed, to put pressure on AMD to improve their product for OEM users. Heatsink failure is one of the major reasons OEM's don't use them for business PC's.

    Back to you Tom...
  8. Yes toms test had a purpose in his mind, his test proved that there is no thermal protection on the tbird or palomino. Is this an issue, sure. However, the tbird/palominos thermal protection did not "fail" because there is none.A thermal diode does not equal thermal protection.

    ~Matisaro~
    "The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
    ~Tbird1.3@1.5~
  9. A point I'd like to make is that businesses care more about the contents of their hard drives than the CPU of the computer and a failing HSF. A CPU/mobo can be replaced, valuable data can't.

    AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
  10. He is right.

    ~Matisaro~
    "The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
    ~Tbird1.3@1.5~
  11. Very true. In fact, my Vice President's hard drive is sitting in a coworkers machine about 6 feet away. He's been trying for a couple of days now to get the hard drive back up. I don't think he would be spending two days trying to figure out how to get a processor working again (assuming you could fix it the same way you can try to fix a hard drive). They'd just order a new processor.

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  12. That is why you set up a network drive. Tell them to save on the network drive and back it up daily! Any big company that does not have a set up this way deserves what they get.

    Jeff
  13. LoL, your vp is doing his it work personally? Help him out burger be a good employee, maybe a raise in it if you can fix it.

    ~Matisaro~
    "The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
    ~Tbird1.3@1.5~
  14. We do, but some stuff has to be saved locally. You can't really keep your entire OS and all programs on the network, unless you're running Windows Terminals (which we have). But not everybody has those.

    And no, a coworker was working on it. He ended up having to buy a new drive.

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  15. Well, generally all data is kept on the network drive. If a harddrive in a computer system goes bad, it is more cost effective to immediately replace it and reinstall all applications. A couple days of fiddling around with a hard drive costs you thousands of dollars in man hours.

    -Raystonn


    = The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my employer. =
  16. You're paid thousands of dollars a day? Must be nice.

    Our network drives are for storage of documents, etc. It's basically up to the user to make sure they put everything they want safe on there. Needless to say, not everyone does.

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  17. "You're paid thousands of dollars a day? Must be nice."

    'A couple days of fiddling around...' is what I said, not a single day. =)

    -Raystonn


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  18. "Hear Hear, toms test was pointless"

    LMAO, toms tests proves that the motherboard does not save the CPU in the event of cooling failure and that the CPU's do fry themselves in 2 seconds flat!

    So once again, AMD is shown to be a poorly designed product.
  19. You ever gotten a quote from professional data recovery specialists? They're the bit-pickers who try to get critical data off of damaged hard drives. Let's just say four figures is standard fare. :wink:

    Kelledin

    "/join #hackerz. See the Web. DoS interesting people."
  20. I hate windows terminal...

    Nice <b><font color=green>Lizards</b></font color=green> <b>crunch</b> Trolls cookies....... :smile: Yummy!! :smile:
  21. Agreed, recovering data is expensive. But what happened (and this is what I said), is that a coworker spent two days working on it. He went and bought a new drive yesterday. That's not thousands of dollars of man hours, like Raystonn said, but I know where all of you are coming from.

    Yahiko, if you ever spent hours troubleshooting a problem on a PC that could be fixed in minutes from the server (or if it's hardware, then just giving them another one that will work exactly the same), then you'd learn to love Windows Terminals. I wouldn't want to use one myself, but if it was a choice of everyone using PCs or everyone using WinTerms (including me), I'd go for the Terminals hands down.

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  22. <b>I'VE HAD TO USE ONE!!!!</b> But after the machine mysterious broke three times I got a real machine again.

    Nice <b><font color=green>Lizards</b></font color=green> <b>crunch</b> Trolls cookies....... :smile: Yummy!! :smile:
  23. What broke down? The terminal itself, or server-side?
    Our stuff is really reliable, we might be using something different.

    Again, I prefer a real PC over a terminal any day.

    <font color=green>I post so you don't have to!
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  24. Well it worked fine. Except for the fact that I didn't have a floppy and it was slow as hell. So the terminal box that I was using mysterious started smoking.

    Nice <b><font color=green>Lizards</b></font color=green> <b>crunch</b> Trolls cookies....... :smile: Yummy!! :smile:
  25. So it was nothing with stability, just performance and functionality.

    That's why I wouldn't want one, but it allows everyone to do their jobs just fine.

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  26. yep, i told them that it was fine for the sales department but if it was left in the tech department all of the boxes would be destroyed. Problem solved no terminal boxes in the tech department :smile:

    Nice <b><font color=green>Lizards</b></font color=green> <b>crunch</b> Trolls cookies....... :smile: Yummy!! :smile:
  27. Same here (except for a couple that we can look at when others are having problems, try and duplicate it).

    But you'd like them overall if you had to actually go and work on people's problems, guaranteed.

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