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October 4, 2001 1:33:44 AM

http://www.chip-architect.com/news/2001_10_02_Hammer_mi...

Some good info on Hammer from AMD and it's whole backstory.

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October 4, 2001 2:02:46 AM

Hammer will have a 800 MHZ FSB scary
October 4, 2001 2:22:01 AM

WHAT?? Dude, that's sick!

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October 4, 2001 2:30:11 AM

Holy [-peep-] the FSB can be scaled up to 1.6 Ghz!! Imagine the transfer rates on that baby! And also it will be able to learn rather than redoing. Oh man, if this all comes true..... excuse me, I can't stop drooling.... that'll be a hell of a processor! And if it's not very expensive, I don't see how Intel will be able to save their asses!

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October 4, 2001 2:35:51 AM

The same way they saved their ass this time, they release a processor capable of 340473 mhz but with an archetecture which is flawwed at best.(hopefully northwood will make up for the sins of p4).

~Matisaro~
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October 4, 2001 2:38:26 AM

The hammer does look scary... its 2 athlon fused in smt mode with 64 bit registers....... the LEARNING Prefetcher is sick... the 800 MHZ FSB scaling to 1.6 GHZ is sick.... I mean this GHZ game will mean [-peep-].... if a 2 GHZ hammer can perform faster as a 3 GHZ Palamino as they say .... i mean GHZ and MHZ is going out the window.... Can u imaging the 2 GHZ HAMMER PR 3500+ ..
October 4, 2001 3:05:31 AM

*Controversy and Amazement Ensues*

Yet again AMD has another trick up their sleeve.
October 4, 2001 3:14:40 AM

Wow I see you guys learned a new word huh? Sick... gimme a break
October 4, 2001 3:17:48 AM

Scary even the hardiest of intel trolls has to admit the raw power in the hammer.

~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
October 4, 2001 3:29:09 AM

As one sig goes *New Flash* Intel has been hit by a hammer...AMD belived to be responsible. Well, this time Intel may just get hit by a hammer, and get smashed into bits as its stock goes to 1 cent and then 0.

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October 4, 2001 5:16:24 AM

The Hammer looks like it will be an amazing processor, but don't you think that Intel have something up their sleave as well?
In a few months, Northwood will be released using the .13 micron process, and I have a feeling that all that extra space will be used for something other than making a cooler running processor.

"Ignorance is bliss, but I tend to get screwed over."
October 4, 2001 5:35:05 AM

Interesting article - but remember that the article does state that everything is speculative based on patents, and that patents do not = 'this is what the cpu will look like'.

Sure - 800Mhz FSB and 1.6Ghz FSB look cool on paper, but someone has yet to build them in such a way that they are cheap and mass producable.

What is the time line for this nirvana? Almost certainly enough time for Intel to come out with something comparable, maybe better maybe a little slower - who knows?

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October 4, 2001 3:05:10 PM

I actually don't care if it's cheap- is it performs well, I'll get one! Willing to go up to 1500$ for that processor if it's as good as it sounds.

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October 4, 2001 4:36:15 PM

you'd pay $1500 for a cpu? Well - that's your right of course. Personally I'd like to stay in the sub $500 camp for whatever is around, since they are only the best for 3-6 months.

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October 4, 2001 4:54:03 PM

we need intel for competition and teh hammers wont be much help to a home user for a while, still going to cost over a grand (quite easily)

if in doubt blame microsoft...
October 4, 2001 6:01:16 PM

"- Non of it is based on any advanced Micro Processor Forum sheets."

"-The Patents that I used are mostly from 1998"

Sure seems to be a good source for um, not a damn thing. this is some gimps vision of what he thinks the Hammer will be based up patents files by AMD (not even recent patents).

LMAO - SMP on a chip doesnt impress me at all.

Nice lemming document. Hammer now due till end of next year.
October 4, 2001 6:01:41 PM

"- Non of it is based on any advanced Micro Processor Forum sheets."

"-The Patents that I used are mostly from 1998"

Sure seems to be a good source for um, not a damn thing. this is some gimps vision of what he thinks the Hammer will be based up patents files by AMD (not even recent patents).

LMAO - SMP on a chip doesnt impress me at all.

Nice lemming document. Hammer not due till end of next year.
October 4, 2001 6:30:23 PM

Dammit, still can't figure out how so many people have double-posted, and I never have.

Quote:
Sure seems to be a good source for um, not a damn thing.


Almost as good as your news article about the Chinese hacker posting porn on websites? Wasn't that supposed to prove that AMD is garbage, or something?

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October 4, 2001 7:55:01 PM

From initial review the Sledgehammer looks like an extremely complex and powerful processor. However the article is only based on speculation and is nothing concrete, I would wait till the 15th to hear the real story.

Lets also remember that the Sledgehammer is aimed at the server market / Itanium and therefore will not be available to the average home user since it is likely to be extremely expensive, just look at the prices of Itanium now.

If AMD really want to get Intel crapping themselves they should pitch the price of the Sledge Hammer against the latest Xeon (whatever that might be during 2nd Half of 2002).

However Clawhammer will be aimed at the high end home user market and is likely to be will be a castrated version of the Sledgehammer, probably with lower FSB, Clock rate and cache. I am sure the Athlon XP (Barton) due for release at the same time as Clawhammer will be able to run 32 bit apps at more than a sufficient speed.

In my opinion I don’t really see the need for 64 bit applications and OS’s for the NORMAL home user in the near future. Maybe by 2003/04 home users may start switching to 64 bit processors.

IF Slegehammer/Clawhammer can run 32 bit and 64 bit apps at the same speed as Intel’s latest EQUIVILANT offered at the time AND has backing from industry (which is debatable) it will definitely be a hit.

Intel will also have to think very carefully about their GHZ marketing campaign as it will be totally be overthrown by AMD (talk about a shot in the foot !). How long can Intel con the public ? people will eventually catch on that Ghz doesn’t matter any more.


<font color=purple> **I eat confusion and spit it out slow**</font color=purple>
October 4, 2001 8:11:45 PM

"Scary even the hardiest of intel trolls has to admit the raw power in the hammer." - No we say that the Hammer is a farse, it is just SMP on a chip and lacks any real merit as a competing product to the Itanium. Lemmings like yourself gotta have some hope for the future, too bad your "wannabe" saviour is over a year away. Who knows what speeds and variations will be availavble then.

"hindsight is 20/20" - quote from Raystonn

Dont put words in our mouth, the hammer is no threat and is very lame in design. When it is released then you will know how much smoke was blown up your ass about its performance. "too little too late" brag about the hammer some more, it doesnt exist yet.
October 4, 2001 8:16:34 PM

Well if all of what you say is true, then you should be scared. If AMD is such a [-peep-] company then what does intel have to worry about? What's keeping them competitive? What's keeping their prices under $1000? Face it, if AMD wasn't around then Intel would dick everybody, HARD, that's just the way Intel likes to do business.

Nice <b><font color=green>Lizards</b></font color=green> <b>crunch</b> Trolls cookies....... :smile: Yummy!! :smile:
October 4, 2001 8:24:43 PM

Well basically where looking at this. Maybe the Hammer will be faster now. In 10 years IA64 is going to be the next standard. Well AMD did state that x86-64 is a quick fix till IA64 blooms into a wonderful standard. Well the IA64 is really really powerful just that current technologys cant use it yet accept huge databases. Well IA64 has alot more registers "registers = serious $$$".

Well AMD Hammer will feature the Intel's SSE2 *Intel is pushing it as an open standard now*

Nice Nvidia and ATi users get a Cookie.... :smile: Yummy :smile:
October 4, 2001 8:24:57 PM

<font color=blue>"Dont put words in our mouth, the hammer is no threat and is very lame in design."</font color=blue>

Exactly ! how can you say the Slegehammer will perform bad when there are no benchmarks or solid specs for it yet ?!

I suggest you back up your words with some facts..since there is very little know about the Slegehammer I suggest you keep your baseless opinions to yourself.

<font color=purple> **I eat confusion and spit it out slow**</font color=purple>
October 4, 2001 9:00:14 PM

Please, try to stop this from becoming another Intel vs. AMD debate. All my post was, was a link to provide anyone interested in the Hammer line coming up with some info on it's backstory and so on. I am AMD biased for the time being, as I really go toward the best price/preformance. I did not mean for this to cause such a debacle again.

AMD's Roadmap: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/...
October 4, 2001 10:33:36 PM

this was a blatant troll post! LOL!

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
October 4, 2001 10:40:31 PM

No it wasn't- it was just to give info.

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October 4, 2001 10:50:20 PM

Ok listen up gimps Ill say this one more time.

The Hammer is SMP on a chip and they plan on zero extending 32bit code to run in the 64 bit register. what does that mean?? they are gonna sacrafice the SMP ability (using both cores to process threads) to run as single thread for both cores. I might need to reword that for alot of you gimps to understand.


Ok 2 cores at 32bits each, 64 bit register, 32 bit code. Instead of running a 32bit app on each core, AMD has elected to zero extend 32 bit code into a 64bit register to feed its processor. totally wasting the ability to run as a SMP machine with what could have been a good SMP design. SMP on a chip is not a new technology, but what AMD is doing is a cheap/stupid attempt to claim 64bit address space. 32bits of the code is zero's, meaning the second core does NOTHING while you run 32bit apps.

I have pointed this out countless times, but most of you are too stupid to understand that. dont believe me? you better go look at Hammer specs again.

Whats even funnier is when you run 4way and 8way Hammers with 32bit code, 128 and 256 bits of zero's!!!! thats pure wasted clock cycles/bandwidth.

Enjoy
October 4, 2001 11:05:12 PM

Some of us when they get Hammer will rewrite teh apps we want 64bit code on, and I'm sure that companies will release patches.

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October 4, 2001 11:08:10 PM

*shrugs* Maybe, maybe not.

For something that's supposedly such a lost cause though (not to mention unreleased), you seem to waste a great deal of time trying to keep people from buying it. If it's such a waste, why do you care so much about its success or failure? :tongue:

Kelledin

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October 4, 2001 11:40:30 PM

Why does everyone assume AMD iwll charge an arm and a leg for its processors considering their fastest model which was just released and will most likely kick the crap out of the fastest released intel chip is less than half of its price?

~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
October 4, 2001 11:44:02 PM

LoL, maybe AMD should hire FUGGER to do their pr campaign, he makes more AMD fans on this board than anyone when they see how (some)intel fans act.

~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
October 4, 2001 11:49:57 PM

ROFL. I belive that it MAY and I stress may be more expensive because just look at it. 800MHz-1.6Ghz FSB?! 2MB L2 cache! And all those extra goodies. You guys do realize that if RAM at 800MHz and 1.6 GHz (SD type I mean) than vid cards will be integrated into mobo, and imagine a GF5 or Ati 15000 or whatever w/ 2GB RAM to spare (at leats in my next setup it'll be like that). Make myself drool as I say this. And the next step will be quantum computing.

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October 4, 2001 11:51:55 PM

You guys are obviously not listening to FUGGER. He isn't trying to keep you from wasting money on a hammer he could give a [-peep-] less. He's just pointing out how stupid of a chip design it is. Why can't you people see that? And that article is posted is pure crap. I tell ya what tongight when I get bored after watching WWF I'll make up a data sheet on the new Intel Slameroony with quad SMP capability, 8 cores, and 256 bit registers. OK then we can go man that chip is gonna be...how do guys say? SICK
October 4, 2001 11:54:48 PM

The article was well written and gave a good idnication of a killer chip, however it was just speculation, we will see on the 15th what hammer really will be.

YOu and FUGGER are both known trolls whos only point on this board is to cause trouble woody. Dissing the concept of the hammer as listed in that article is stupid, because that article detailed a very powerful processor with many good origional ideas.

~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
October 5, 2001 12:02:40 AM

wwf? that explains a lot in and of itself. woody and fugger, you guys are so right! i'm not going to buy an athlonXP 1800 and i'm going to throw away this 1.4tbird i just bought and go out and buy a p4 2ghz, thanks for getting me to see the light, your posts are very informative and it's a joy to come here and read them. it's one part of the day i look forward to, thanks.

ewww, put that thing away, you're in public!
October 5, 2001 12:42:51 AM

Lost cause? this is what you guys are bragging about and yet know nothing about the design. your hooked on keywords. I doubt the Hammer will have a 800Mhz BUS, keep dreaming. funny to watch you guys talk about it like idiots.

Anything pro AMD you guys take it like it came from god himself. *caugh* vanshardware *caugh*.

Things to look for, "zero extended 32bit code" sound familiar? didnt really know what it meant or what the trade off was huh? feeding that core zero's does wonders for performance gains. YEA RIGHT!

Matisaro, you are so owned its not even funny anymore. your showing how stupid you really are everytime you post. keep it up.
October 5, 2001 1:01:31 AM

Oh so now you're gonna judge my character and intelligence on the fact that I watch wrestling? Piss off. I was merely stating how you AMD guys go apeshiit over some whack made up article based on pure speculation. You know at least I know wrestling is fake, why don't you guys see that this article is? And you all need to stop riding FUGGER's nutz I'll admit amdmeltdown is pretty much an idiot, but at least FUGGER has [-peep-] that you guys just can't argue against intelligently. Its AMD fanatics last resort to start bashing and bringing up mythical information in order to make that dying company look good. Man I can't wait till Cyrix is the number two chip manufacturer, HELL YEAH!!!!!
October 5, 2001 1:22:29 AM

well i wouldn't know if it's fake or not, haven't and will not watch it. really i couldn't give a rat's a## what's coming up 8 months or 2 years from now, it's not going to get the job done now griping over something that still might never be or wtf i scored on a benchmark or who's market share is dropping a few points, and if joe shmoe on the street knows what his XP 1800 really runs at (which i couldn't see why it would be aimed at that). it's all babble no matter which side it's on. i buy parts and build a system for me that at the time i think will be the most beneficial for performance and price. right now for me, amd is what i'll use, i'm just putting together my work now, so there is no need or room to spend $500+ on a cpu. but in a year or two or whenever i need to put together a new box maybe intel will have something going on, then i'll get an intel. personally though i have never seen anything wrong with fugger, other than maybe taking a benchmark to seriously, but to each his own.

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October 5, 2001 12:25:44 PM

As I understand it, the Hammer is aimed at the server as opposed to the desktop market.

It does, in my inexpert opininon to be hodgepodge of ideas.
So on the strength of that, I propose:-

that we build a robot ch...

Oops, get mind in gear.

That we may see a reversal of the currnet P4/Athlon situation with Hammer reaching insane numbers, whilst Itanium does more IPC.

I could of course be wrong. I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that Hammer does appear to be 32 bit engine with a 64 bit thing stuck on the end. It didn't specficly say if it could address more than 4 Gbytes of RAM, but it appears that it will actaully address a 32 bit Ram register, and extend capacity by bank switching a major clock rates.

Any way, I'm doing A.I. at university and not chip design, so thats my two pence worth

Charlie


And another thing, what does LOL mean?
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by charliec2uk on 10/05/01 08:27 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
October 5, 2001 12:59:51 PM

Actually, AMD has been hinting hammer will be for the desktop, in the letter to his employees which was posted a few days ago, the ceo of AMD, kept mentioning how "bringing hammer to the desktop" would crush intel and that they were afraid of hammer. So perhaps they are designing it for performance smp on chip and 64 bit addressing capablities, coupled with inexpensive production.( AMD yields highly, and even 2x palomino cores would still put their die size smaller than .18 p4 which means they can afford to charge less) Could make hammer a strong contender in the desktop arena.

~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
October 5, 2001 1:42:19 PM

After reading the article a second time round I would say that it is pure shite ! and is entirely based on guess work. The guy who wrote it (Hans) probably hasn’t got a clue. I would agree with FUGGER that it is a bad source. Read the statements he has given at the end of the article:
<font color=blue>
-Patents are not always a good base to predict a micro processor.

-The Clawhammer processor in the article would not fit that easy in 105 mm2. It would limit 1 level caches to 64 kB both and the 2nd level cache to 256 kB like in the current Palomino.

-We hope to get some detailed information on October 15 from the Micro Processor Forum although it is unclear what exactly will be presented there.
</font color=blue>

Therefore NONE of you (including AMD and INTEL henchmen) can say it will beat Intel OR state it is crap since we know pretty much nothing about it.


<font color=purple> **I eat confusion and spit it out slow**</font color=purple>
October 5, 2001 1:53:55 PM

Which is why I said the cpu described in the article sounds powerful, I did not claim that this was the hammer and it is god. However the intel trolls immediatly dissed the chip DESCRIBED in the article which was stupid, as the chip which may or may not be accurate, described therein was VERY powerful.

~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
October 5, 2001 2:06:37 PM

Quote:
your hooked on keywords.

Kind of like NetBurst, 3.2GB/sec, and every other bit Intel zealots spew, even as dual AthlonMPs beat their favorite CPU in real-world benchmarks (and remain rock-solid)?

Right now, I don't even care about the Hammer or IA64. Neither is going to be on my desktop anytime soon (though a Sparc might be soon enough :eek:  ).

Kelledin

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October 5, 2001 3:40:57 PM

FUGGER, did you even read that White Paper? There is nothing in it that even mentions anything we've been talking about.

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October 5, 2001 3:47:40 PM

Hey FUGGER I see your point about the “zero extended 32bit code”.Yeah so what ? You can’t except a processor to be flawless. I admit it looks like a waste of a second core but I don’t think SMP on a chip is what AMD had in mind.

I don’t care how lame it currently looks ON PAPER the real proof will be in the benchmarks when they come out.

For the buyer Hammer will be a great investment because they can still run all their old 32 bit based critical applications together with 64 bit stuff.

Whole corporations switching their IT systems from 32 bit to 64 bit from servers right down to the desktop ??!….think about it !…you must be crazy that will take A LOT of money to plan and implement.

Sure Intel will have some tools like emulators and translators to bridge the gap between 32 bit systems but it will mean extra work and hassle for corporations something they might not be prepared do.

THAT is the beauty of Hammer it leaves companies free from all that hassle. This is a much more flexible approach that most corporations are likely to prefer.

If Hammer doesn’t perform well then they will logically buy an Intel system.

I am just trying to explain the benefits of Hammer. I really don’t see why you are getting so uptight about it.

<font color=purple> **Life is too short to be pissed off all the time.**</font color=purple>
October 5, 2001 4:28:19 PM

I’ll say this one more time. SMP stands for Symmetric Multi-Processor, Multi meaning more than one. When you say “SMP on a chip”, a chip being singular, you don’t know what you’re talking about. There is a lot more than a core that goes into a processor. If you read anything or actually used some logic, you would not be saying this.

Schmide

Just because I have a V8 engine doesn’t mean I have two engines.
October 5, 2001 4:43:36 PM

Quote:
I could of course be wrong. I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that Hammer does appear to be 32 bit engine with a 64 bit thing stuck on the end. It didn't specficly say if it could address more than 4 Gbytes of RAM, but it appears that it will actaully address a 32 bit Ram register, and extend capacity by bank switching a major clock rates.

There is a whole new addressing system placed in the Hammer. It is based on a 2meg paging system. The standard 386 protected mode addressing system is based on 4k pages. The Hammer can run in both of these modes 4k and 2meg. It’s not always about addressing more memory but using your address space more efficiently.

Schmide

Before I talk I should read a white paper.
October 5, 2001 4:57:56 PM

Excuse me but I did read the white paper, and, it seems is bank switching, but this is a moot point, so before war breaks out, let's just wait for the proper material to be released

Democracy Bernad, it must be stopped!
October 5, 2001 7:33:05 PM

"Sure Intel will have some tools like emulators and translators to bridge the gap between 32 bit systems but it will mean extra work and hassle for corporations something they might not be prepared do."

IA64 processors run 32-bit x86 applications without needing any software emulators.

-Raystonn


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