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October 5, 2001 10:34:34 PM

Download this nifty <A HREF="http://members.home.com/nanobit/files/tools/toast/Toast..." target="_new">Burn-In</A> application and check your Athlon's stability. It contains assembly code that will run all integer and floating-point paths in your processor very hard, getting 2.85 instructions per clock. (3.00 instructions per clock is the theoretical limit for an Athlon.) If you can run this application for a few hours without any problems, then you are probably safe. If not, it is time to lower the clock on your processor and try again. I found this application mentioned in the thread over at the Anandtech forum, to which I provided a link in the THG thread regarding locked Athlon XP processors. You can read about it <A HREF="http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?s=b056664613a5f..." target="_new">here</A>.

-Raystonn


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October 5, 2001 10:54:19 PM

I'll do that tonight. Is this just for Athlon, or does it work for any processors? I would assume the per-clock limits are different?

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October 5, 2001 11:00:44 PM

This is only for Athlon processors. It was designed to pump exactly the right number of instructions to match the number of ALU and FPU pipelines in this processor. It might run on other processors but it will not make efficient use of their cores, and hence not be a good burn-in test.

-Raystonn


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October 6, 2001 12:04:48 AM

What processor are you running?

-Raystonn


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October 6, 2001 2:38:30 AM

mmmmm burn in....
i like...


oh... P.S.

does it work for ALL current AMD products? they all have the same number of pipelines dont they? e.g. duron, morgan, athlon, & XP

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October 6, 2001 3:38:34 AM

Palominos will have some extra pipes for doing SSE (which, as it turns out, they do very, very well). Other than that, all the CPUs you mentioned should have the same pipes

I've got Toast running under WINE atm--been running for an hour so far. Kicks my CPU temps higher than anything else ever has, except for nice -n -20 ping -f localhost. It would be nice if someone could just put this piece of assembly on a bootsector--something where you just boot up off a floppy, switch to protected mode, and run the test without the interference of the windowing interface et al.

Speaking of that...do you have any idea where I could get the source code for this nugget, Ray?

Kelledin

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October 6, 2001 4:27:12 AM

Ask the author? This is not open source.

-Raystonn


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October 6, 2001 4:50:48 AM

Hmmm...ah well. In any event, after about two and a half hours, CPU temps at 51C: <A HREF="http://kelledin.tripod.com/sstoast.jpg" target="_new">http://kelledin.tripod.com/sstoast.jpg&lt;/A>

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Definitely a nice burn-in tester, open-source or not. Thanks Ray.

Kelledin

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October 6, 2001 5:06:55 AM

What processor do you have? Do you overclock?

-Raystonn


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October 6, 2001 5:14:01 AM

yeah... twazz just wonderin if the duron, being of a different design (i.e. not a crippled athlon) might have less...

good idea of a dos mode verson,
would be nice to see tailored verions for all processor ranges, p3/cellery, amd & p4.

currently im running at 54C, hottest ive seen it since i put in my new casefans and did my "mods".
usually sits at 50-52 running 100% cure for cancer.
for me personally it wont do much, as 100% cure for cancer whenever my pc is on does the trick ;) 


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October 6, 2001 5:20:37 AM

T-bird 1.333GHz, not overclocked. I value my uptimes rather too much to run parts out of spec. :wink:

Kelledin

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October 6, 2001 5:22:38 AM

They should add some option menus to it for selecting processor type, but it would be a great deal of work to support most processors. It could also use some better tweaking options to allow the setting of more priorities for those who do not run Windows 2000 and cannot set priorities at the click of a button in task manager. Hm. Nevermind the last one. Everyone can just upgrade to Windows 2000. But I would still like to see more processors supported.

-Raystonn


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October 6, 2001 5:29:56 AM

lol yeah
always have to keep reminding oneself that
a. the creator probably cand spend 24/7 on it
b. not everyone has win2k :) 

p.s. no troubles yet with toast (1200C oc'ed to 1350) but thats to be expected. :) 
new PSU is working wonders too... no change of fan pitch or voltage drops as i went from 0 to full load... god the old 300W psu has to be the crappiest/lighest/flimsyest ive seen. (4 molex & 1 fdd connector, & mobo connector only!)



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October 6, 2001 5:32:46 AM

Ja, what's really fun to do to a system is start five Linux kernel compiles at once, with all config options set as modules--then do make dep && make clean && make -j MAKE="make -j" bzImage && make -j MAKE="make -j" modules. It's a bit of a crusher I like to use on new kernels along with LTP.

Last time I did that, it took the load up to ~338 before my process viewer got buried under a lot of context switching. Running "uptime" became a fifteen-minute affair. :wink: The really wicked evil part is that the system actually recovered and kept running!

Kelledin

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October 6, 2001 5:35:16 AM

"the creator probably cand spend 24/7 on it"

Well, he should spend more time on it and then sell it. He could probably make a little bundle charging $5 a pop. I would pay $10 for it if it supported the Pentium III and Pentium 4 (separately, with different algorithms.)


"not everyone has win2k"

Well then upgrade! It is not my fault! =)

What operating system are you using?

-Raystonn


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October 6, 2001 6:27:33 AM

im using win2k of course! how else do u think i could run my PC for 4 days straight?

but i do think of the "little person" who do not/cannot use it *wink*


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October 6, 2001 6:31:43 AM

oooo linux....

i had that on my home PC many moons ago...
thing is i didnt have anything i wanted to DO on it.. or knew how..


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October 6, 2001 6:42:00 AM

Windows 200 is quite stable is it not? I had an uptime of a little over 9 months before I rebooted to install new detonator drivers. I use the system for intense programming and gaming and have never had a problem.

-Raystonn


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October 6, 2001 7:36:29 AM

I wish I had this program before I tore down my beast to give to my wife. I castrated the thermoengine(ditched the delta and put a sunon 80mm fan on it with a 80>60mm fan adapter. This proggie kicks my (wifes)temps to 52c at stock 1.33, perfectly stable.

~Matisaro~
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October 6, 2001 8:09:32 AM

oh yes... extreemly stable, but more tempramental with regards to games and drivers.
took me quite some time to find detonators that behaved properly (fortunately the 21.81's)
and rarely have i got a game to work perfectly first time. always need to tweak something.

small price to pay for rock solid stability though.

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October 6, 2001 5:56:09 PM

Hey, thanks for posting this program. I've been running it for about 4 hours, and my computer's stable at 42.7°C. Is it supposed to go down, though? When I first opened up my computer to check my Compunurse (it's inside), it said 43.2°C. How come it went down? It was only open for a second. Plus, Toast is still running.

Anyways, thanks again, Raystonn. I'll be sure to use this program in the future. If anyone can reply, I'd appreciate it. (Not too important, but still a little thing.)

~Running an 850 T-Bird~

Kernel32.dll error...aw, son of a.... :eek: 
October 6, 2001 7:16:47 PM

You are welcome. Glad to be of service. If it went down in temperature then either the burn-in helped flesh out and lower the resistance of the pathways in your CPU, you were running something else in the background in addition to burn-in, or the ambient temperature inside your room went down.

-Raystonn


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October 6, 2001 10:39:48 PM

If the burn-in helped flesh out and lower the resistance of the pathways in my CPU, that's awesome! But, when you mentioned that running something else would lower it, why would it? Wouldn't it just react slower? That's all that was happening with the other programs. I'm not sure if the temp inside the room would go down, because it wasn't all the cold. I barely opened up the case for a second to check the thermistor.

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October 7, 2001 6:45:29 PM

My TBird 900 ran Toast all night and maxed out at 50c. No stability problems.

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October 7, 2001 10:58:50 PM

My highly overclocked Duron (600@1007mhz) can't handle the extra heat. I knew that 52 degrees was a critical temp for my Duron but I have never had a problem. I've even run Seti@home for days at a time, reaching only 50 degrees max. However, Toast drives the processor to 52 degrees in only 20 minutes and instability quickly follows (i.e. spontaneous reboot).

Can't say I was happy to learn this but it is a good thing to know. Thanks for the link.

Looks like I need better cooling (or avoid using Toast).

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No, thank you. Just give me the BIG heatsink. It's an Athlon.
October 7, 2001 11:02:59 PM

You're temps aren't that high. What's your PSU?

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October 8, 2001 1:06:40 AM

Quote:
You're temps aren't that high. What's your PSU?

Don't forget my Duron is overclocked by 68%. Also, because of the location of the thermister on my KT7 mobo temperature readings are lower than on some other motherboards, say an ASUS mobo, by a about 5 degrees.

At my level of overclock, with core voltage at the max of 1.91 volts, and with my current HSF, 52 degrees is the temperature at which I have problems.

I first bumped into this early on when my case cooling wasn't good enough and more recently on hot summer days. In all cases when my CPU reaches 52 degrees I have trouble. (My normal temperature is 43 degrees and normal peaks are 48-50 degrees).

I've always (1 year) had my system at the very edge of stability. Not only is my Duron 600 at 1007 mhz (9.5 * 106, the highest this early rev KT133 chipset can do) but I have my DRAM maxed at 141mhz, CAS2, turbo timing, etc, and I have my Geforce256 SDR overclocked at 150 core/210 memory (up from 120/166 factory). Trust me, I know exactly when my system will become unstable.

By the way, I have an Enermax EG351P-VE, 330-watt PSU.

Would you like a Quarter Pounder?
No, thank you. Just give me the BIG heatsink. It's an Athlon.
October 8, 2001 2:36:48 AM

lol @ "i know when my system becomes unstable"
know how u feel :) 

and aint enermax PSU's the beez kneez? :) 

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October 8, 2001 8:28:21 AM

"when you mentioned that running something else would lower it, why would it"

Your CPU can only run a certain number of instructions per second. If you run other applications along with the Burn-In utility then it will waste some of those instructions on this other, less intensive, application. If you want the maximum burn-in, run only the Burn-In utility. If you have an SMP system with two processors run two copies of the Burn-In application. The operating system should allcocate them to different processors.

-Raystonn


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October 8, 2001 8:56:53 AM

Rayy, wont the os screw up this ultimate burn as well?

Also, Most of us are probably running temprature monitors during the test, do you think that this would lessen the burn.

BTW. Ran it for 4 hours on my wifes new pc(my old one) I crippled the thermoengine by putting on a slower fan and returned the cpu to stock, that burn in made it hotter than I have ever seen(on my cpu) but she still ran and leveld off around 55C. Woo hoo, now I can leave it to her knowing she cant crash it due to the thermoengine downgrade. On a side note the goddamn thing is quiter than her old slot a 750 athlon. Amazing.

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October 8, 2001 3:39:30 PM

Good explanation. Thanks... :smile:

Kernel32.dll error...aw, son of a.... :eek: 
October 8, 2001 4:12:13 PM

Ja, that's sort of why I was suggesting making this bit of assembly into a boot sector on a floppy. Not only that, but disable the BIOS clock interrupt (and maybe all other interrupts) while the test is running.

Of course, we'd need to do some output, just so the user knows his CPU isn't locked up. It would be cool to tweak the BIOS clock to raise an IRQ every second (versus every eighteenth of a second), then output the temperature every time the clock raises an IRQ.

Kelledin

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October 8, 2001 4:55:07 PM

Ray, you asked me 4 minutes after I left :) 

I'm running a Tbird 1.2@1.33
I can get it to 1.4 on a 140 bus, but I haven't gotten it perfectly stable at that. Close, but not quite. I'm thinking it might be my old sound card crapping out (Philips Seismic Edge), so once I take that out, I'm hoping I'm ok.
Basically, the only problem is that I can't run 3DMark (and something else...Max Payne, maybe?). Small loss, but still means I'm unstable.
Haven't run your program yet (I was busy having my car broken into). I'll try to do it tonight if I get a chance.

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October 8, 2001 6:33:21 PM

"wont the os screw up this ultimate burn as well?"

It could if you allow it to do so. I recommend you run it from within Windows 2000 and use the task manager to set its process to a very high priority level. Try out the real-time priority level. I warn you now that you may not be able to halt the application once you do this, as it might preemp the thread that handles your mouse and keyboard input. But it would be fun to try it out.


"Most of us are probably running temprature monitors during the test, do you think that this would lessen the burn."

I would recommend not running anything at all. When you want to know the temperature either physically probe it yourself or pop up a temperature readout and then kill it and return to the burn-in.

-Raystonn


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October 8, 2001 6:44:38 PM

Thanks Ray. This is also a good utility to test my cooling system with.

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October 8, 2001 6:47:11 PM

Quote:
I warn you now that you may not be able to halt the application once you do this... But it would be fun to try it out.


Remind me never to come over to your house for a party. It might be too much "fun".

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October 8, 2001 7:01:19 PM

So fun that the party will become unstoppable? :) 

*sets the party to real-time mode, preempting all clocks*

Now we have enough time to mess with my new Peltier/water cooling setup... By the way, I never knew Peltiers only cost $30. The whole water cooling setup costs only about $100 and can be moved to any new system you purchase. I am surprised everyone does not have one. And now to see how hard I can push this baby...

-Raystonn


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October 8, 2001 11:10:52 PM

<A HREF="http://www.3dcool.com" target="_new">3DCool</A> has some great choices for Peltiers, BTW. I've seen them several times. Higher wattage than most websites offer, and they're a pretty decent company.

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October 8, 2001 11:39:23 PM

You're right. And cheaper. Been a while since I looked around for this stuff.

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October 9, 2001 12:51:04 AM

This is weird. My temps didn't go up as much as I thought it would. My idling temp is usually 51C , normal load (games,surfing etc)52+C and highest I ever got was 54C and that was on a hot day. After running toast for an hour high priority its only 55C. I thought it would be more like 60C. I'm using a Volcano 2.

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October 9, 2001 1:05:13 AM

what power peltier are u using? and dont u have to worry about condensation?
i thought that was a problem with peltiers cauzing localised cold spots

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October 9, 2001 1:17:37 AM

I grabbed the 156watt Peltier. As far as condensation goes, If you seal things up with foam you are pretty safe. Additionally, you can reverse the fan in the power supply so it blows warm air across your processor. This keeps condensation away.

-Raystonn


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October 9, 2001 1:42:44 AM

hmmms
i was just thinking that one could use a low powered peltier... such that temps were reduced but not in such a way as to cauze condensation...

then again... i think i need to hone my knowledge of these unusual devices.

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October 12, 2001 2:10:57 AM

Compre toast to prime95 which one is better?
I like prime95 better cause it can tell you if your cpu is producing wrong results...
October 12, 2001 8:32:16 PM

RayDude

Is there a version of the Toaster for Intel chips? I've got a p4 1.3, a 600E cel and a 400 cel notebook that I wouldn't mind puttin through their paces.

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October 12, 2001 8:47:10 PM

I have not seen one, but then I have not been looking. I found Toast just by happenstance while browsing some forums. I will keep my eyes open.

-Raystonn


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October 25, 2001 6:46:24 AM

Nice program, thanks. Running toast on high priority and surfing the net makes a ghz machine run like a 486, but hey at least I know I'm stable. Temps only hit 45.

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October 25, 2001 3:28:20 PM

cool, I gonna run this tonight when I get home.



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October 26, 2001 10:32:52 AM

Ran it for almost 9 hours and perfectly stable.

Best part is, my CPU temp went down from 49C full load
to 47.5C full load! alright!



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