At the end of the day, the GHz wars haven't damaged Intel's bottom line that badly. It's P3, business market is, I understand, largley intact, despite its flagship being put to shame by AMD.
Now for my next machine, I want an Intel chip, it's just me, some may call me troll, others just stupid, it is just a little idiosynchrosye of mine.
However, still, I want to know is what is it going to take for Intel to lay down the law and take back what it held for so long.
The P4 at 2 Ghz has bee roundly trounced by AMD's Athlon XP. This is a bad thing for Intel. Northwood, will take the performance crown for about 2 weeks, then a bigger and better Athlon will sit at the top for 2-3 months and so on. My question is this, barring any major change of strategy, what will make the P4 give the Athlon a sound arse-whooping?
Second point: If the denizens of this forum can come up with an answer, then it is not unreasonable to assume that Intel has though of it so why the blooody hell is it taking them so long to get down and haul ass.
Well, we all know why P4 crawls even when it has the luxury of 3.2 GB/sec of memory bandwidth and a double pumped ALU (Rapid Execution Engine).
Its the 20 deep Hyperpipeline that is negating all the memory bandwidth and other architectural advantages it has over others. Even with a superior branch prediction algorithm that hits as much as 98%, every new branch of code has to go through all the 16 stages to actually start executing. Imagine you are in a que for train tickets at a crowded station and the clerk suddenly shuts his window out for lunch when you are at the window, and you have to go back and stand at the end of another que and wait for your turn all over again!
It actually got them to make processors running at higher MHz, but this long instruction tunnel held back the performance somewhat, to such a extent that even a 1 GHz P3 or Athon can beat a 1.5 GHz P4 hands down.
But when you consider that the P4 Netburst architecture is evolving now into its second version - the Northwood which is supposed to perform better than its predecessor Williamette, you see a distinct improvement in design. The design is in process of maturing.
Its the branches that are bothering the P4 performance, I guess there can be a solution to this. Remove the branch prediction unit out right. Put in a third (or even a fourth one for back to back jumps) execution pipe alongwith the existing two and work both code paths, whether the code branches or falls through. It will practically reduce the branching and the penalties incurred due to it to zero!
Its difficult to implement, especially managing three or more execution pipes when they have no mutual priority over each other.
A few more things could be increasing the cache, tweaking up the ALU, prioritising regular instructions and multithreading complex ones. Executing FP, MMX and SSE/SSE2/3DNow class instructions asynchronously with code will also increase performance largely.
Just like a we have a graphics processor these days, it would need a complex hardware operating system within the processor, which is more than regular microcode and nanocode, maybe a picocode!
I guess AMD, Intel have already thought it over.
girish
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I think Jerry would just shrug that one off, since he was left for dead in a trashcan when he was in college. It just doesn’t compare. It was her fat bodyguard anyways.
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Price. Intel needs to be more aggressive with their pricing if they are to sway loyal AMD users back into the Intel fold.
Add into the equation the cost of Athlon XP motherboards. The Shuttle AK31a (KT266a chipset) is around $90.
The bottom line is price/performance. Since performance is on the AMD side, Intel must reduce prices. Unfortunetely, when Northwood comes out, it will be at a premium price.
We can only wait and see....
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Obviously you have thought about this one a little. What you said has piqued my interest. I'm not going to pretend like I understood all of that. I'll probably have to sleep on that one. You got any good books or links to share? Call me a nerd, but it sounds interesting to me, and I want to know more. Unfortunately I'm probably going to have to start at the beginning on this one.
I have always been very happy with AMD's CPUs. Intel lovers should be happy that there is competition, because it drives their prices down.
Maybe I am partial to "underdogs", but looking at the latest XP numbers, I have a hard time calling AMD an underdog.
In any case, an XP will be my christmas present from myself this year. And I will buy AMD till it does - and then some. Just because I believe in competition.
Weeeeeeeelllll, I thought I should talk about their strategy on silicon!
Anyways, current Intel pricing is competative enough theough it could do away with about still 30%. Besides, Intel has one distince advantage over AMD, its brandname established over more than 30 years. People buy intel because they know intel. They are ready to pay for it. AMD evened by keeping their chip prices low. With that AMD did make a dent in Intel sales. Now they should compete on technology, intel is already on a price cutting mision.
But still, they need to show that a 2000 MHz processor performs as 2000 MHz, and no processor running as much as 600 MHz slower can beat it.
girish
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Sorry, when I wrote that first post, I think it came out a bit wrong. What I really meant is that the P4 is a newer Architecture and as such, it shouldn't be unreasonable to assume that when it was launched, it should do great things. In fact that P4 has been more of a whimper than a bang. I don't say that the P4 is flawed, it is just that I expected a little, well...more for my cash.
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