is the celeron 1.2ghz a PIII tualatin?

[Guest]

besides using a lower bus speed is the 1.2GHz celeron identical to the PIII tualatin with 256KB L2 cache?

 

[somerandomguy]

It uses the tualatin core if that's what you mean.

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[Crashman]

Yes. In fact I'm incouraging people to by these and overclock them to 1600 at 133FSB.

Back to you Tom...

 

[Matisaro]

Toms wouldnt make it to 1600. What is the success rate of the OC do you think crash?

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[Crashman]

I don't know. I don't know how hard Tom tried. I do know that I am a LOT less conservative with voltage than he is.

Back to you Tom...

 

[somerandomguy]

It couldn’t hurt to be generous with the voltage, that chip runs pretty cool.

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[charliec2uk]

Can you run Tualtin celeries in a SMP st up? And if yes, (started a sentence with a conjunction, God help me) what kind of chip set does one need?

Charlie

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[Crashman]

There is a manufacturer who makes an SMP compatable inexpensive Desktop chipset for Tualatins, but I refuse to name them on the basis that I have had to many problems with their products (though there are some who have had few problems).

Back to you Tom...

 

[charliec2uk]

What sort of problem's? Of the "bloody thing just won't boot variety"?

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[Matisaro]

Coughviacough.

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[Crashman]

No, usually configuration and data integrety problems. As in "the frigen thing reboots whenever windows starts" or "the frigen thing resets every so often on it's own" or "Every so often I go to restart and it says file not found" or "I finally got it to work and it still does a hard crash every two weeks" or "system halted" or "memory error"........
Funny thing, at least half of the systems work perfectly. Pitty those who own the rest.

Back to you Tom...

 

[juin]

On hardware.fr they have run a P3 1.2 and a celeron 1.2 with 133 fsb.P3 was still 5% faster on clock for clock.

Reason still unknow.

personnaly Agtl.

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[Crashman]

Yabut yabut yabut yabut-they probably tested the 512K PIII against the 256K Celly. The Celly is the same as the 256k PIII except for the bus speed.

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[Guest]

The article says that that tualatin celery is between 1.5 - 7.5% slower than the 1.2ghz PIII tualatin... hmmm... perhaps Intel has crippled it. If I remember correctly with the Celeron II’s, besides reducing the L2 cache size to 128KB, Intel also purposely hampered its performance by reducing the L2 associativity to 4-way vs. 8-way found on the PIII coppermines, just to make it slower. Could this be the case with these tualatin’s?
Whatever the case, the tualatin celery seems to be good performer and appears to overclock very well. Considering that it will be inexpensive it seems like a winner.
More good news is that an adapter card is available from Power leap that will allow tualatin cpu's to run on most slot 1 BX boards... just when I thought the awesome BX chipset was finally about to fade away is gets another rejuvenation... amazing!

 

[lhgpoobaa]

wouldnt be suprises...
intel loves doing that kind of stuff to their chips. (thus why cellerons have always been crippled pentiums and not a seperate product line)

one wonders what bad things they can do to the P4 celleron version when it finally arrives?

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[Crashman]

An adapter card for FC-PGA2 to Slot 1? Where?

Back to you Tom...

 

[sjs]

where in USA can I buy a Celeron 1200 chip?

 

[Crashman]

I don't think they're retail yet.

Back to you Tom...

 

[Guest]

PIII and celeron II (tualatin) FC-PGA2 to Slot 1 adapter

http://www.powerleap.com/Products/iP3T.htm

 

[Crashman]

Nope, that's been around a long time and only works with Coppermines to the best of my knowlege. The Celeron II is the Coppermine Celeron from 533 to 1.1GHz. The 1.2GHz Celeron is the Tualatin.

Back to you Tom...

 

[Guest]

here is a quote from the website:

"Supports the latest .13 micron Intel "Tualatin" processors, including the 1.2 GHz Celeron with 256K L2 cache and Data Prefetch Logic."

"Supports the "Tualatin" 1.475 VCORE requirement even on motherboards that don't."

however, it also says:
"Note: Does NOT support SMP for the Pentium-III-S processor."

too bad.. but still, seems a viable option for BX or other slot 1 boards. I'd be *very* curious to see how well a venerable BX board with 100 Mhz fsb /ram would perform with a Tualitin P3


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[Crashman]

I didn't see where they said that on their site. I guess I'll have to look harder. Unless you have a link and would like to lead me to the paragraph.

Back to you Tom...

 

[Guest]

Crash, you still sleeping ? The very same link velosite provided, half way down the page under "special features".

Here it is again (I'll link it for ya):
<A HREF="http://www.powerleap.com/Products/iP3T.htm" target="_new">http://www.powerleap.com/Products/iP3T.htm</A>

---- Owner of the only Dell computer with an AMD chip

 

[Crashman]

Ahh, I looked up the iP3 instead of the iP3T. I didn't even see a link for the iP3T on their main page. And they don't have it in their price list yet.

Back to you Tom...

 

[FatBurger]

iP3 is a REALLY bad name for a product.

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