Will 0.13 T-B Athlon's have SSE2 ????????

[rcf84]

Well AMD Next Gen T-B Athlon have open standard SSE2 on them like the HAMMER. Well i hear VIA P4 clones might use SSE2 also. Since SSE2 is a great open standard like MMX.

Well im just wondering ?

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[lhgpoobaa]

i thought MMX kinda sucked?

i just saw the AMD productline predictions...
0.13 micron & SIO within a year... yum.

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[LoveGuRu]

why would MMX suck?
over the P1-non MMX it was a great imprvement using programable multimedia extantions in otimised code.

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[AMD_Man]

MMX is worthless now in modern processors because a modern P4 or Athlon can handle integers nearly as fast with their ALUs as they can with MMX

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[lhgpoobaa]

mmm course it sucks NOW... my calculator probably has MMX in it!

but in its prime, HOW MANY apps had MMX enhancments? and overall what effect did they have.

i rember back to my p1-166... MMX was all the rage, yet i never really saw any massive bloom of mmx enable apps.

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[Guest]

For all you SSE types out there SSE stands for Streaming SIMD Extensions. SIMD: Single instruction- multiple data. And the first implimentation of SIMD was, if i'm not mistaken, MMX. So without MMX there would not be SIMD.

If i'm wrong feel free to flame someone else, or correct me in a polite fashion.

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[mr_gobbledegook]

Not as far as I know. SSE2 will only appear on Hammer. Anything that boosts performance in applications is a bonus so quit the whinging people.

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[rcf84]

WTF would AMD pass up Open Source SSE2 Apps. Notice if its SSE2 coding intel spanks them. Well Cyrix-Via are going to use it for there P4 clone. It would be horrible of AMD only releasing it for the hammer.

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[LoveGuRu]

damn leechers those AMD guys..
why not 3DNOW!-rev2?
i would like to see them spend some of their own cash to develop something!
(not that im not a fan of AMD.)

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[zengeos]

hmmm...

For a company that doesn't develop anything on their own, AMD comes up with a heckuva lot of patents!

And guess what?

If I'm not mistaken, AMD uses it's patents and control over them as leverage in licensing other companies' developments. So, AMD is smart, I think, in pushing the envelope in areas other companies are not, then swapping technology with those companies. More bang for the buck for all parties concerned. I mean, why reinvent the wheel when you can invent something else altogether and still use the wheel someone else invented?

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[zengeos]

Here is a list taken from Vans Hardware of a few of their recent patents. Hmmm...AMD doesn't develop anything on their own???

http://www.vanshardware.com/news/2001/october/011014_AMD_Patents/011014_AMD_Patents.htm


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[AMD_Man]

3DNow! Technology has always been an SSE counterpart. The original 3DNow! Technology in the K6-2 was only 24 instructions, I believe. Then came the Athlon with Enhanced 3DNow! and more instructions. Now we have the Athlon XP with all the SSE instructions of the Pentium 3. SIMD instructions are a really stupid idea, if you ask me. Rather than having an R&D working on SIMD instructions, why couldn't they start looking into developing enhanced FPUs and ALUs from the beginning? That way, all the apps would benefit, rather than just "optimized" apps.

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[zengeos]

Of course, AMD has a little corporate press on their patents/developments here:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543_1991~2970,00.html



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[Guest]

Sounds like Rambus .

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[Snorklis]

Hi!

Me and my friend was wondering about all this enhancements thats coming, mmx, 3dnow, 3dnow! pro, sse, sse2... and so on. Is this really better than a strong fpu? Is for example a program/game benefiting more from sse in P3/P4 than the stronger fpu in Athlon?
Another example, a new game comes in two versions. One with sse-optimizations, and one using 3dnow. Wich do you think would give the most fps?...
Maybee Im out on a limb here, but it would be fun to know what you think...

 

[zengeos]

Well, here's what I think...

AMD was smart to ensure Athlon (and Hammer?) has a very strong FPU first and foremost. This ensure excellent performance prettymuch across the board. By adding SSE (and SSE2 on Hammer) AMD further improves their chips' performance. So, AMD, by offering both on their CPUs ensures across the board excellent performance.

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[mr_gobbledegook]

Perhaps AMD will introduce SSE2 on thier Barton - SOI .13 micron processors to conincide with Hammer in 2H02 but I don't think it will be on the Throughbred.

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[MadCat]

The addition of the SSE instruction set also helps to insure compatibility with some of the current software offerings (within the last year). Sometimes, the software won't perform a certain algorithm unless the SSE capability exists. I know this to be true in some games.

 

[LoveGuRu]

first of all AMD buys companies and register patens to their own name, second you dond need strong FPU when there is an instruction instaled into the processor to save you cpu time and cycles for the same math result.

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[zengeos]

Yup that is my understanding also, based on information I have read on the AMD site and elsewhere. However, AMD *could* surprise us! If they have much of the SSE2 circuitry already designed for Hammer, there's always a possibility, however slim, that Barton could include SSE2. It makes sense, though, that AMD would put the majority of their engineering muscle behind the Hammer.

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[zengeos]

"first of all AMD buys companies and register patens to their own name,"

Please provide a list of companies AMD has purchased recently and registered the patents as their own. I'd love to see it as AMD hasn't made many acquisitions in the last several years. Also, it sounds more like you are confusing VIA with AMD. VIA has indeed purchased several companies mainly for their technology/patents in the last couple years.


" second you dond need strong FPU when there is an instruction instaled into the processor to save you cpu time and cycles for the same math result."

You do if the software you are using doesn't make use of the instruction built into the CPU. In order to utilize SSE, the software must be coded to use it. So, you need both a strong FPU AND SSE/SSE2, with the FPU still taking precedence IMO for at least another year.

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[AMD_Man]

I'd much rather have a fast FPU than SSE!

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[AMD_Man]

I'd much rather have a fast FPU than SSE!

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor

 

[Snorklis]

So to put it all together, you can say that a strong fpu, like in Athlon, can make the same calculations done in the same amount of time, with a cpu that has weak fpu but instead sse? (and the software optimized for it)

 

[zengeos]

Not necessarily.

What it means is that software that does not have SSE optimizations (the majority of software right now) might run faster with a CPU having a strong FPU.

My opinion in the matter is that it makes sense to retain a strong FPU rather than chop an FPU down and add SSE. Continuing this vein...it would be even better to have a strong FPU AND SSE instructions built in.

The Palomino has this setup.

P4 goes a step further down the SSE trail...to SSE2. Currently very few programs take advantage of SSE2 and by the time core programs do, AMD will likely release the HAMMER (K8) chip which will also support SSE2.

That's just my train of thought, of course. Yours may differ.

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