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Intel_inside   10-25-2001 at 10:34:04 PM

I was reading a flyer for a comuter store today and I noticed near the WindowsXP information it said OPTIMIZED FOR PENTIUM 4 PROCESSORS. This is very interesting... assuming windowsXP is optimized for pentium4 processors than pentium4 cpu's would kill amd ones in benchmarks under it. Has anyone done any tests like this? I would like to see how optimized windowsXP is!

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LoveGuRu   10-25-2001 at 10:39:38 PM
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dont get too excited, look at AMD's site, same stuff.

just a marketing method.

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LoveGuRu   10-25-2001 at 10:39:40 PM
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dont get too excited, look at AMD's site, same stuff.

just a marketing method.

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AMD_Man   10-25-2001 at 10:46:27 PM
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Windows XP is equally optimized for the Athlon (XP).

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor

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Kelledin   10-25-2001 at 11:42:11 PM
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<A HREF="http://www.amazoninternational.com/html/news/3dmark2001/amd/amd1800_mp.htm" target="_new">http://www.amazoninternational.com/html/news/3dmark2001/amd/amd1800_mp.htm</A>

This is the closest I could find on short notice. Notice that both the AthlonMP and the Pentium 4 Xeon receive a similar boost from going from Win2K to WinXP. Any way you look at it, the fastest P4 Xeon gets ripped badly by the slowest AthlonMP in this test.

(Low blow, I know. I couldn't resist. :wink: )

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bront   10-26-2001 at 03:18:34 AM
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I'm guessing Intel probably payed a pretty penny to get advertizing on all those Windows XP ads. If not, and it was actualy optimized for the Pentium 4, Microsoft could be in some serrious colusion(SP) legal trouble. They already have a serious issue with the Monopoly issue, and that would just cause more problems.

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dhlucke   10-26-2001 at 04:44:04 AM
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It's just marketing. They're both optimized, but Intel is working hand in hand with Microsoft to push both the P4 and WinXP.

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FatBurger   10-26-2001 at 05:43:29 AM
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Because something has P4 optimizations doesn't mean that it doesn't have Athlon optimizations.

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jollygrinch   10-26-2001 at 07:11:17 AM
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from ScottyP's (aka Intel_Inside) personal website:

Quote :

Wednesday, October 24, 2001

Ok my troll project on tomshardware.com is getting out of hand, please do not email me unless it has to do with music.


from <A HREF="http://www.ravewave.com/scottyp/" target="_new">here</A> it's in his profile too.

i've been away for a few days so if someone brought this up and i missed it i'm sorry for reposting it...i just think this guy is a jerk.

btw -- scotty i love you're bio writen in third person, i almost thought it was a real news story. how many of you're 119 visitors were friends and family? you're design sucks. so do your tips for upcoming musicians. oh, and by the way...i downloaded ocd.mp3, it sucked.

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Matisaro   10-26-2001 at 07:21:31 AM
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LoL, bowsers alter ego, what a queer.

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Intel_inside   10-26-2001 at 09:41:50 AM
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Wow some people seem to be very offended by ontopic and legit posts. I suggest consulting some psychiatric help.

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Matisaro   10-26-2001 at 09:56:17 AM
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I have seen your website you loser, it would appear you are optomized for being a dumbass.

everyone see the website in his profile, where he conviently posts his "troll project at toms hardware guide" has run into some snags, apparently he dosent like the members of this forum who have sent his email addy some kind of dos attack LOL.

Think twice before [-peep-] with the people in a computer tech forum you numbskull, especially when many of them know ways to make you suffer online.


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Intel_inside   10-26-2001 at 10:00:21 AM
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You know there is the remote possibility that that is not my homepage :)

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Matisaro   10-26-2001 at 10:02:07 AM
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Whatever you say troll.

I am ignoring your posts from this moment on, you like meltdown are not worth of ANYONES time.

run along little troll.

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Intel_inside   10-26-2001 at 11:19:36 AM
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ok but that means I might have to ignore YOUR posts

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mr_gobbledegook   10-26-2001 at 01:24:29 PM
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If Windows XP is heavily SSE2 optimised the P4 might have an overall performance advantage.
Are there many applications that are SSE2 enabled out now ?

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Matisaro   10-26-2001 at 02:16:25 PM
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I thought sse2 was primarily for multimedia, it would seem to me that the tasks of an os dont generally include much multimedia floating point replacement operations.

Does anyone know exactly what sse2 optomises and what registers and actions it consists of?

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charliec2uk   10-26-2001 at 02:23:49 PM
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Come on old bean, think about it. Both are x86 processors. The only specialist hardware that they could optimise for is the SSE 2 set-up, which has been implemented into Athlon XP anyway (Intel are pushing it as an open-source thing).



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mr_gobbledegook   10-26-2001 at 02:43:43 PM
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Yeah Matisaro you are right. SSE2 is only for Multimedia based apps. So that still leaves the question what optimisations could have been made to Windows XP for the P4 ??
I am at a loss...I personally think it is marketing hype. P4 or Athlon weren't specifically designed with Windows XP in mind and the same can be said vice versa.

Anandtech used Windows XP to benchmark the Athlon XP and P4. Athlon XP won most of the benchmarks but this does not mean it is better at running Window XP...at the end of the day it is down to the application the user is running not the OS.

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Matisaro   10-26-2001 at 02:51:58 PM
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I agree, but man those snazzy start bar optimizarions using sse2 really make a huge difference on that p4 1.3ghz with 256 megs sdram with a 16meg tnt videocard. Blazing!

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Anonymous   10-26-2001 at 04:48:09 PM
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>windowsXP is optimized for pentium4

makes about as much sense as saying AthlonXP is optimized for windows XP.

Intel_inside, I suggest you look for a hobby. Or go make some more horrible trance music on your highly optimized SSE2-less celeron 500, and leave us alone. You'r posts do not contribute anything to this forum.

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Flamethrower205   10-26-2001 at 05:25:16 PM
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Sp that's what a troll looks like:)

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AmdMELTDOWN   10-26-2001 at 05:43:25 PM
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>The only specialist hardware that they could optimise for is the SSE 2 set-up, which has been implemented into Athlon XP anyway

the AXP has not one drop of SSE2.

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charliec2uk   10-26-2001 at 06:02:36 PM
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Oh, I wa led to believe that AMD was integrated the SSE 2 enhancedments into its processors 'cos Intel is open sourcing them. However I'm sure you know more than I. Perhaps this was with reference to later corer revision.

Charlie

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FatBurger   10-26-2001 at 06:10:59 PM
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Dammit, Meltdown beat me to it. Oh well.

Intel has a list of SSE2 optimized software available, there are currently about 30 listed, 10 or so of which are games. Tribes 2 and Sacrifice I remember seeing there. I wrote more in-depth about this in another thread last week, I don't feel like digging through Intel's confusing website again to try and find the info.

Strangely enough, that list hasn't changed at all in the last 2 months or so.

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xxsk8er101xx   10-26-2001 at 06:49:21 PM
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Ya but it has SSE and sse and sse2 are the same so.

lol! j/k

SSE2 is about as useful as athlons 3dnow lol! For the time being anyway heh

oh by the way the yankees game is on tomarrow (i think)! and there is a sabers game tonight!

and i'm still buying the ATI AIW Radeon 8500 and the athlon XP 2000+ (by the time i get it they will have the 2000+ or 1.67ghz lol) but wait! 2000+ is 2000mhz or 2ghz though! heheh. i still like the idea of VIVO and firewire ports and enough software to choke a horse with! :)

just being silly with such a lame posting.. not yours the guy who started the lame post.

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Kelledin   10-26-2001 at 07:31:31 PM
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RoFL he's changed it now for CMA purposes.

Quote :

<pre><i><font color=green>Wednesday, October 24, 2001</font color=green></i>

<font color=green>added the tips for fledging musician, not finished. Someone's been fiddling with my page lately, ignore it.</font color=green>


</pre><p>Plus he's now taken the page out of his profile. Wonder why? :lol:

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jollygrinch   10-26-2001 at 07:40:31 PM
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haha, i'm glad i posted it before he took it off of his page. what a dumb ass, puting that on his page and then linking to it from the same site he's troling...

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FatBurger   10-26-2001 at 08:41:56 PM
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Yeup, too bad he doesn't even have the balls to stick to what he believes in.

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Raystonn   10-26-2001 at 08:54:44 PM
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SSE2 is not just for multimedia applications. SSE stands for Streaming SIMD Extensions. SIMD stands for Single Instruction Multiple Data. The point of these instructions is to efficiently perform the same operation on large quantities of data without having to loop on instructions over and over. They can be used in any application that performs identical operations on multiple pieces of data. Multimedia applications are a common form of application that performs this task. Other applications that perform these types of tasks include games and scientific applications.

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zengeos   10-26-2001 at 09:11:49 PM
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Athlon XP contains SSE instructions, NOT SSE2. It *may* have a couple of the SSE2 instructions, but not the full set.

Hammer, according to AMD, will contain the complete SSE2 instruction set, plus a half dozen or so additional instructions to further enhance performance on properly optimized software. Perhaps Intel and AMD should get together to develop the SSE3 instructions together. That is unlikely, though.

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Intel_inside   10-26-2001 at 09:44:55 PM
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yeah that is correct, amd won't have a chip that supports sse-2 untill the hammer comes out. It's good to see there are some mature people here who know how to properly respond to posts.

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FatBurger   10-26-2001 at 09:54:25 PM
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Must...keep...from...laughing...out...loud...in...office...

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Schmide   10-26-2001 at 10:17:17 PM
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“Think twice before [-peep-] with the people in a computer tech forum you numbskull, especially when many of them know ways to make you suffer online”

Does that mean you control that computer in Korea that keeps trying to logon to my network? I knew it had something to do with you. And stop picking up the dog poo in my back yard.

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bum_jcrules   10-26-2001 at 11:37:26 PM
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All:
There is no that way that Intel and AMD would get together to build an instruction set.

Intel-Boy:
If you really want to fight with others...1 - go to a different site and 2 - as my HS gym teacher said(in an italian accent) "Why don't you ladies drop your purses and start swinging"

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XEnigma88   10-27-2001 at 12:19:18 AM
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Why is SSE-2 so important? Everyone on the forums seems to be banking on the fact that one processor is SSE-2 and one isn't to judge which processor will be better. Are there really that many SSE-2 optimized apps. out there today that will really take advantage of it? So far, I haven't seen one benchmark that takes advantage of it. AMD could just as easily make 3DNow!2 (I know it'd be ridiculous) but all these do is make the life of a programmer harder. So, why is SSE-2 so special?

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zengeos   10-27-2001 at 12:35:35 AM
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Good question XE.

SSE2 is only used in a small number of programs. It will likely be at least a year before a significant number of programs use the SSE2 instructions, so at this time SSE2 is not very important at all.

At this point, as someone else mentioned, it looks like Hammer will be the first AMD chip that supports SSE2. Hammer is slated to be released around a year from now (sometime during the 2nd half of 2002. Even then SSE2 is not likely to be very widespread in applications.

So, anyone suggesting that SSE2 is the mark of a superior CPU really has little to ase that on...unless they plan to primarily use one or two of the few SSE2 optimized apps out there.

There has been ongoing discussion about this on other threads on the CPU board, considering FPU performance, SSE and SSE2 optimizations, etc.

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Raystonn   10-27-2001 at 12:38:35 AM
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"all these do is make the life of a programmer harder"

Actually, MMS, SSE, and SSE2 are used automatically with the <A HREF="http://www.intel.com/software/products/" target="_new">right compiler</A>.


"Are there really that many SSE-2 optimized apps. out there today"

Yes, <A HREF="http://www.intel.com/home/pentium4/software.htm" target="_new">there are</A>.

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FatBurger   10-27-2001 at 01:19:14 AM
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That's a completely different list than I saw before. I know because Tribes 2 was on the other one, and it looked totally different.

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Raystonn   10-27-2001 at 01:45:34 AM
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Agreed. The list has somehow been messed up in an attempt to make it look more clean. I posted a thread a couple weeks back that had the full list.

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FatBurger   10-27-2001 at 01:58:04 AM
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I did too.
Too bad Intel's site is so hard to find anything on.

I'm off work, so have a good weekend, everyone! I'm installing XP tonight :)

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XEnigma88   10-27-2001 at 02:01:08 AM
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Thanks for clarifying that the compiler does it automatically, but what does SSE-2 really do in a program? I'll admit, I have practically no knowledge of it and am wondering what the heck it does.

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Raystonn   10-27-2001 at 02:05:13 AM
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SSE (and the SSE in SSE-2) stands for Streaming SIMD Extensions. SIMD stands for Single Instruction Multiple Data. These instructions are used to efficiently repeat the same operation on a whole stream (list) of data. They are useful on highly repetitive algorithms, such as those found in media applications, scientific algorithms, 3D games, and operating system/driver subsystems.

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Snorklis   10-27-2001 at 02:07:25 AM
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Well, I must say that list wasnt much for a show-off.. ;-)
Only 3 titles were specificly listed as sse2 optimized.. so is the rest "only" sse-optimzed?

The other bigger list, had the same "problem". It didnt say if it was sse or sse2...

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Raystonn   10-27-2001 at 02:17:26 AM
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Everything on that list is Pentium 4 optimized. This means the application is optimized for the longer pipelines and branch prediction features of the Pentium 4 and use SSE-2 when a suitable loop structure is found by the compiler.

That is not a full list however. A posted a more complete list a couple weeks ago. Let me know if you cannot find it and I will try to see if I can pull it up.

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Matisaro   10-27-2001 at 06:08:12 AM
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Not me, I dont own any zombies in korea.

JK.

I was refering to the people who were hacking/spamming his email from this website.

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Schmide   10-27-2001 at 07:17:05 AM
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My bad. It’s funny how an out of context statement can lead to a full on paranoia attack.

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lhgpoobaa   10-27-2001 at 09:30:31 AM
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Thats the biggest pile of crock...

cumon!!! u should know windows by now... it has trouble being compatible with intels own products, let alone other manufacturers!

dont belive me???
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lhgpoobaa   10-27-2001 at 09:31:05 AM
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Thats the biggest pile of crock...

cumon!!! u should know windows by now... it has trouble being compatible with microSHAFTS own products, let alone other manufacturers!

dont belive me???
<A HREF="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/22507.html" target="_new">http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/22507.html</A>
<A HREF="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/22503.html" target="_new">http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/22503.html</A>

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