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is it true that Athlon 1.4Ghz is generally as fast as P4 1.8Ghz?

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Reply to FatBurger

As faster, or in some case much faster (3d s max rendering). However, in video encoding that isn't the case.

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Reply to Flamethrower205

Its not true, its what lemmings want you to belive.

P4 dominates in performance, compatability, and reliability.

If you need a problematic space heater with involuntary self combustion. buy the AMD product. BTW the price difference is nill. Enjoy your P4

Go with the Asus P4T-E or Abit TH7II-RAID, both are highly recomended boards.

AMD owners have some bug up their ass in thinking they are superior when they are not. ALL AMD based systems are in harms way when it comes to thermal death. AMD claimed some thermal protection but as tom proved it doesnt work, and its never worked.

Visit the motherboard section and parooze the thousands of posts from AMD owners whining about why their rig sucks ass. I couldnt believe the amount of bad AMD motherboard posts. A few minutes reading in the motherboard forum should be warning enough not to buy AMD, GL finding a good one =)

So now with the PR rating, your paying more for slower processor.

Now its time for Keliden to chime in with "what incompatabilites" as if there was none =)

Reply to FUGGER

UM...OK...

So a 1.4GHz Athlon is still in most cases faster than a 1.8GHz P4... Right?


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Reply to HolyGrenade

lol most amusing.
i see your back

*looks around*
no thermal death here... what am i doing wrong?
and i dont seem to have instability either... must be goind something very wrong.

Is that a Northwoody in your pocket or are you just eXPited to see me?

Reply to lhgpoobaa

Ok, Fugger. Been running my "heat bomb" as you call it for a week non stop, and current temp is 46 degrees C. Seems pretty cool to me. Will any P4 user out there please take the 1 benchmarking scene in max, and tell me how fast they render it? I need a good laugh. There, fast as hell, no reliability issues, and cheap as hell too. I wonder, what will your P4 do when I OC my 1.2 GHz to 1.8? Hehe.

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Reply to Flamethrower205

Fugger, please read what I wrote, <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=faq¬found=1&code=1" target="_new">here</A>.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor

Reply to AMD_Man

"P4 dominates in performance"

Even the most die-hard Intel supporter knows thats just a bare-faced lie.

"If you need a problematic space heater with involuntary self combustion"

Very true...if you happen to be stupid enough to pull the HSF off during a game of Quake3, are inept at fitting the HSF or just plain cheap.

"Enjoy your P4"

You`d better, you`re sure gonna part with enough cash for it.

"So now with the PR rating, your paying more for slower processor."

Slower clock speed sure, but anyone with just a little knowledge of CPU`s knows that raw Mhz does not equal performance, there`s the little matter of instructions per clock cycle (IPC) to take into account. Which is something that the average store-buying consumer doesn`t know, which in turn is the reason they get excited when they see an Intel box with a big number on it.

The one point I will concede is, that as a general rule, Intel motherboards do tend to be more stable than their AMD counterparts, but there are exceptions. The thing is not everyone is happy pottering along on an expensive, silicon zimmer-frame, no matter how sturdy it is.

Reply to Anonymous

Most of the posts are AMD related because 90% of the users on theses forums are AMD users.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor

Reply to AMD_Man

Hey troll guess you've not seen the recent article by tom.
The Motherboard in his HSF video, wasn't able to use the Thermal diode correctly. Read the article Flamer!

Don't listen to this fool, if your gonna by a P4 wait till northwood. Or else you'll be buying a dead horse!(423)

<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?rigid=9802" target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?rigid=9802</A>

Reply to Makaveli

Look at tom's benchmarks...

<A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q4/011009/athlonxp-05.html" target="_new">http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q4/011009/athlonxp-05.html</A>

My system: <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?rigid=8946" target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?rigid=8946</A>

Reply to AEboy128

the p4 generally beats amd by a wide margin in sse-2 optimized apps.

AMD = Anger Management Disorder

Reply to Intel_inside

That's what we call LIES...

If anythign, the P4 and the XP are equal in apps that are SSE2 enables, some that are SSE2 enables STILL are faster on Athlon Platforms even though there si no SSE2 support on any CURRENT AMD CPU...And again, Soem apps edges to the P4 over the Athlon when SSE2 is enabled, but never will it ever SMASH the Athlon into the ground, SSE2 or no SSE2...
Read up.....on ALL Benchamrks, Overall, AMD Athlons are MUCH quicker processors, Office Productivity, nothign can touch the Athlon, 3D Rendering ? Good luck on your P4..HAH HAH even WITH SSE2...

Video editing, well, now with the XP, AMD Athlon XP Processors are equal to P4's if nto betetr in soem cases, according to www.anandtech.com anyways....check it out buddy.....might be good for that brain of yours =)

Ciao, have fun all...

BTW FUgger, I didn't know there was such thign as an Incompatible x86 Processor, you do realize x86 is x86 and nothign chanegs that, so anything that runs on an Intel x86 also runs on an AMD x86 CPU, wanan know why, again, its x86.....BASIC Operations are the same, and are not manipulted.....its not liek its a Motorola (G3 & G4) or an Alpha or Sparc......

BTW, did anyoen know the Athlon, beign an x86 processor is castrated...it would be a MUCH faster CPU if it didnt have to be x86 based......food for thought... =)

-MeTaL RoCkEr
My <font color=red> Z28 </font color=red> can take your <font color=blue> P4 </font color=blue> off the line!

Reply to MeTaLrOcKeR

Frist you should go to a tech school. You dont know much about computers. And who in there right mind would trust a lier like you.

Reply to AtolSammeek

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BTW the price difference is nill


Exactly what is your Intel calculator telling you here?

Does your P4 modify pricewatch and so prevent you from seeing the truth that a 1.8 P4 costs $206 (now) v.s. $115 for 1.4 Athlon. My calculator tells me that the price is not the same, and that in fact the 1.8 P4 costs 79% <b>more</b> than its Athlon 'equivalent'.

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Reply to peteb

For Gods sake, now you've set him off again. These mine is better than youse posts are starting annoy all concerned I think.,

Oh, and where can you buy a Glacialtech Ingloo 4300 in the UK?

Charlie

Democracy Bernad, it must be stopped!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by charliec2uk on 10/30/01 08:45 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

Reply to charliec2uk

FUGGER, there is no need for screaming and whining, there aren’t anybody listening to you any more. And you just scare the possible P4 buyers away with all your crap. You sound a little desperate right now.

Truth is: Athlon XP1700 equals the P4 2.0
AthlonXP 1800 equals the P4 2.2

There has to be a long time since you stopped reading tests and benchmarks on the internet.

Talk about being in denial!! I pity you… (well, NOT…)

To all CPU buyers: AthlonXP is 20% more performance at 50% less cost. And believe me, this s**t about exploding Athlons only shows how desperate the Intel owners have become.

***A-Man***


...is it?...NO, it's AnotherMan...

Reply to Anonymous

On a kt266a mobo the 1.4ghz tbird is roughly equal to a 2ghz p4, on a amd760 board the 1.4 is equal to a 1.8ghz p4, since the 1.4 is much cheaper the p4 is a bad decision.


Ignore what FUGGER says, even though I have decided to let him be, he is still not the best sourse for reliable correct unbiased oppinion on this forum.

~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~

Reply to Matisaro

Why is it that people continually ask the same questions on the boards?

Which CPU is faster/better?

Which gives most bang for the buck?

Which is more reliable?

Which motherboard is better?

Etc..

If people would simply look at several reviews of products on several web sites to get results from more than 1 person, they'd find their answers.

Here on the boards these questions do nothing but act as troll fodder.

Just take some time to read some of the recommendations on the various reviews, including Tom's, Anand, hardocp, etc.

Mark-

When all else fails, throw your computer out the window!!!

Reply to zengeos

Just looking for help I suppose, but the newbie questions deffinatly feed the troll populace.

~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~

Reply to Matisaro

***A-Men*** to that, zengeos. It's futile to fight stupidity (although you have to give it a try...).

Respect to those who choose a P4 based on unbiased tests, it's a free world!

One important note though!! Stay away from i845 MB's and SDRAM when using a P4. This cripples the performance by 15-20%.

A P4 2.0 on a i845 MB performs like a P4 1.7 on a i850 MB (=1.2GHz Athlon). P4 REQUIRES RAMBUS. Even the die hard Intel fans doesn't deny this fact!!!

***A-Men***

...is it?...NO, it's AnotherMan...

Reply to Anonymous

<font color=blue>"P4 dominates in performance, compatability, and reliability."</font color=blue>

Wow! What a response from the community.

I didn't even have to sound the <b>Fabricated Fugger Facts</b> alarm (FFF for short).

Time for you to go away.

Now comes the tantrum and the personal insults....

<font color=blue>This is a Forum, not a playground. Treat it with Respect.</font color=blue>

Reply to jlbigguy

Yes, the Athlon is in many cases faster than the 1.8GHz P4 and even the 2GHz chip. As far as thermal problems and incompatibilities, I administer an entire network of Athlon machines (2 Intel boxes out of 60 machine), from the orginal 500MHz SlotA chips up to the current Athlon XP. I have no problems with them.

Even my main WIN2K domain controller is running Athlon MP 1.2's on the Tyan Thunder K7, replacing dual PIII 866's on the Supermicro 370DLE.

GO AMD!!!!!!!!!

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Connie on 10/30/01 11:21 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

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