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October 31, 2001 6:47:21 PM

First it is stated that the Athlon 1800 is the "performance winner":

"We've got our performance winner in this extensive CPU test - the AMD Athlon XP 1800+ tops the Intel Pentium 4/2000 in most of the applications benchmarks we selected. The Athlon XP's strengths really lie with 3D games that use DirectX 7 or DirectX 8. "

Then stated later:
"Another factor is the stability and product quality of a system: while all Athlon processors suffered from occasional instability in our tests, the Pentium 4 platform ran without a glitch."

How can you say a processor is a "performance winner" if ALL (read the quote at top) Athlon processors suffered from instability?

I would think that a "performance winner" would need to "perform" in all circumstances, which apparently isn't true for the Athlon, but is true for the Intel chips, as stated in the above quote.

Interesting... :) 

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October 31, 2001 7:57:49 PM

Hmmm.....I wonder if anyone realizes this is most likely to fault of Tom....as Instability from a processor is usually only from excessive heat.....THEREFORE its probably a Motherboard/Chipset issue.....
VIA Makes fast chipsets i'll agree to that, but can anyone say Buggy ???

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well, it should be VIA, you are STILL the weakest link, as we all nkow its not the processors fault....

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October 31, 2001 8:59:10 PM

If you ask me, instability has very little to do with hardware if you have a system that is set up properly.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
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November 1, 2001 2:02:47 AM

I think the reviewers did not properly set up their systems, all of the athlons I have built have been solid as a rock.

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November 1, 2001 2:11:39 AM

How come the p4 system was stable then? Why would they only set up the amd systems 'wrong'? Holy thermal diode batman! maybe it was the processors themselves that were less stable?! Or perhaps the motherboard on the amd rig?

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November 1, 2001 2:38:55 AM

Unstability=Microsoft




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November 1, 2001 4:07:35 AM

WIN 2K run pretty damm stable with P4.

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November 1, 2001 4:19:50 AM

it run pretty damn stable with my AMD/VIA as well.

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November 1, 2001 4:56:28 AM

do the new athlon xp's still ahve the same heat issues that regular athlons do? i know that if they do i don't want to touch them with a ten foot pole. i worked with those athlons all summer, they all sucked big fatty, you need a freaking oven mit to handle those suckers.

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Anonymous
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November 1, 2001 4:59:05 AM

Yo, guys, sit back and relax! Tom and his friends blurbs out a obligatory "Athlon processors suffered from occasional instability". Well I'm soo surprised...

Have you ever read any other benchmarks elsewhere where the Athlon behaved "instabile", any tests where they have to cut off the benchmarks because the Athlon caused any trouble??

Fact is that many comp sites today uses a AMD system to test Graphic cards and new games. I read a lot of reviews, and I have never seen any words about "instability"!

Don't you get it? IIt is just the way Tom's have to behave. Otherwise the Intel fanboys would have nothing to troll about.

I have run an old Athlon B 1.1G 200fsb at 1.3G 274fsb on a W2000 system for almost a year now. 100% stable. (VIA chipset).

All this instability talk is just utter bulls**t. Something you scare children (Intel lemmings) with when they don't do what their parents (Pa Intel) order them to...

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Anonymous
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November 1, 2001 5:09:59 AM

AMD chips are NOT (I repeat NOT!) unstable. I sell them day in day out. NO PROBLEMS if setup properly. Well, you can have problems on some of the really cheap boards out there, wherein they can't handle the highest clocked cpu's (but then I don't sell the crap boards, so I can't even confirm that).

Why would I hint that they didn't set it up right? Well they were too stupid to figure out how to unlock them right (note:I hope they're just lying and they know)? This was done over three weeks ago with MANY sites already all over this topic. Don't tell me they don't read ANYTHING on the web. They are trying to make you believe you CAN'T overclock them, or at the very least it's too tough for us genius guys at THG...so you'll never be able to do it! MORE TOTAL BS from THG.

Oh, why doesn't anybody else have problems running KT266A chipset? Everybody says ROCK SOLID, TOTALLY STABLE etc..

One more thing, why not mention the fact that if you buy an ATHLON MP you're free to overclock it to whatever you want. Simply purchase an MP. No bridges to patch, no nothing. All you need is a motherboard that does NOT use dipswitches to change multiplier and your a HAPPY CAMPER.

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November 1, 2001 12:33:07 PM

I have to wonder what they did with drivers and such to make the AMD unstable. I've got a rig simmilar to what they put up (KT266A MB, Athlon XP), and it's been the most stable system I've had.

Granted, AMD has a reputation of being somewhat less reliable, perhaps due to some historical truth, and likely due to other CPU competators. However, History is one thing, and the current day Athlons are quite stable when you get everything loaded correctly.

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November 1, 2001 7:20:57 PM

True, true...
Sure Intel is known for best stable processors, however I do not want to beleive that the AthlonXP I'm getting will be a hot house. Geez if it has cooling, it's fine!! It also depends on what kind of work you're doing to make the PC unstable!
November 1, 2001 7:50:22 PM

i have 7 friends all with amd systems they built on their own between 800 and 1.3. all running either win2k pro or win xp. I HAVE YET TO SEE ANY CRASH DO TO THE PROCESSOR. people still think this is 1999 and need i say more about other websites who have tested amds.
November 1, 2001 8:11:08 PM

not really... It is interesting in that what you say proves who ever wrote the article is a hypocrite but says nothing about itnel or AMD processors.

Fact is i have a Duron 750 and i have yet to have a problem. I keep my computer on for days... been on for about a month now and not a problem. I have win 2k and i do some pretty heavy [-peep-]. TV tuner to watch TV, games, appliscation programming etc... so both processors are great! Just you're paying a premium for the "Intel" name. Is it worth it? They both work the same?



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Anonymous
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November 1, 2001 9:47:38 PM

AMD ROCKS!!! thank you and goodnight!!!!

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November 1, 2001 10:06:53 PM

If I'm not wrong Anand site reported some small instabilities issues with this Epox KT266A MB.

Let's wait for an ASUS or ABIT with more mature KT266A bios and drivers to see what happens.
November 1, 2001 10:59:11 PM

I do not believe that AMD chips are unstable. I do not believe that Tom's page lies or is biased. The general tone of the article is pro AMD XP. The charts show the XP ahead in benchmarks and way ahead in price for performance. The article even suggests that AMD charge more for their stuff cause it is worth it. I am not seeing an Intel bias, you AMD guys are paranoid.

What could have happened is maybe they got a marginal MB for the AMD systems. We sell ASUS stuff all the time and it is generally perfect but every once in a while even ASUS stuff is not quite right. Maybe the EPOX was slightly unstable. I fix stuff for a living and I'm saying that the chances for 5 AMD processors to all be unstable is very slim. The chances for a single MB to be questionable is more likely (in my opinion) then bad CPUs or Frank Völkel and Bert Töpelt being liars. The whole article is totally pro XP but they are gonna lie and say AMD is unstable???

I just read the section of the article that contains comment about stability and even Tom's is saying that it could be the MB. I hadn't read that part before typing the first part of this post. What is the problem it telling the truth?? Lets say you are a reviewer of hardware. You got lots of work to do and a deadline so you can't redo any of your work. Now lets say you have some minor problems with a reviewed system. The problems are not serious enough to stop the testing. What are you gonna do? Not even mention it? It seems to me that the responsible thing to do is mention the problem along with the likely cause. Exactly what they did. Take a pill puppies!

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November 2, 2001 4:08:05 AM

I dont say is AMD are crash 2 time/hour but a P4 with win 2k with good setting and driver never crash.In real time with all kind of useur and software.You that via suck and you know it well.

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November 2, 2001 4:08:54 AM

I dont say is AMD are crash 2 time/hour but a P4 with win 2k with good setting and driver never crash.In real time with all kind of useur and software.You know well that via dont offer the same stability that intel chipset.

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November 2, 2001 4:15:34 AM

near 90% of the computer that runing right now have old driver/bios/os so if your cpu/chipset cant work with that forget it.

Anyway many reviewer say that via unstable.

And we get again to one of the most donwload file the great THE ONE THE KING VIA 4in1.

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November 2, 2001 4:18:28 AM

AMD chips are NOT (I repeat NOT!) unstable. I sell them day in day out. NO PROBLEMS if setup properly

Sio explain me why half of the post are T-bird/pal who dont work crash reboot slow.

I just want a explain.

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November 2, 2001 4:30:48 AM

Your point ov via is correct, many people have issues - the majority of which are due to a lack of technical knowledge to install.

To say P4 Win2K is more stable than AMD Win2K is inaccurate though. How about P4 on Intel chipset Win2K is more stable than P3 on Via chipset Win2k?

The point is that once, Via was the only choice for AMD users, now it is not. There are equivalent speed chipsets that have the 'out of the box' stability that Intel does.

In general, Intel boards are better supported natively under Windows, but then nVidia and ATI video cards do not work properly without the correct drivers and settings, so why should a chipset?

There is added knowledge and extra steps required for 3rd party chipsets over Intel's, however when properly done, there need not be issues. Sure there are some bad Via chipsets - but Intel has a few as well.

With the competition Via now has, it does not have the luxury of using the customer to alpha/beta it's drivers and boards, it must come out with better stuff. They will learn in time, as long as nVidia, Ali and SiS keep snapping at their heels...

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November 2, 2001 6:30:59 AM

::juin translation::

His first post.

I am not saying that amd systems crash every 2 hours and intel systems runs for days and weeks....then I lost it.


his second post:

Then tell me why half of the posts on this forum are tbirds palominos with crashing, slow rebooting, and issues.

My reply to his second statement.

Because 90% of the users of this forum have athlon pcs, and MOST athlon pcs are home built, while most intel pcs are bought from a company with tech support, so when the athlon has a problem, they come to websites like this for help,. but when most intels compys have issues they call dell. Make sense to you juin?



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November 2, 2001 10:56:34 AM

Matisaro,

You are doing well as JUIN translator. It is now your official position.

You will not be held responsible for the content of any translations that you post.

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November 2, 2001 12:02:12 PM

I thought Burger held that position?

Mat are you trying to steal Burgers JOB?

hmmm....

No offense intended Juin, and I hope you take this in the humor I intended it!

Mark-


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November 2, 2001 1:01:22 PM

Fortunately, I think Via has done that. My KT133 was quite stable with the latest drivers from them, and my new KT266A board is the most stable setup I've run on, Including my old BX440 board.

However, it is good that there is such stiff competition. It means lower prices and usually better quality in production and drivers. That's why I hope ATI succedes with it's 8500 chips and drivers, to keep Nvidia on it's toes. It was good that there are a few decient Athlon boards out there, it gives people choices in several areas. That's where Intel could run into a problem with their MBs. They're being very picky as to who comes out with what kind of chipset for their P4s (The Intel vs Via issue), and that could hurt them in the long run, by stiffarming the competition.

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November 2, 2001 1:51:31 PM

I think burger and I should share the job, but if he dosent want it, I can use the extra posts lol.

~Matisaro~
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November 2, 2001 2:42:36 PM

Quote:
I dont say is AMD are crash 2 time/hour but a P4 with win 2k with good setting and driver never crash.In real time with all kind of useur and software.You that via suck and you know it well.


I don't think that AMD crashes twice an hour on the half hour, but with a P4 running under Win2k with good settings and drivers, you'll never get a crash. I'm talking about running constantly with all kinds of users and software.
You know that Via sucks, and you know it well.

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November 2, 2001 6:31:14 PM

Juin, with the right settings and the right drivers the athlon will not crash ever under win2k as well.

What is your point, we all know via has had some issues, the kt266a looks pretty stable.

~Matisaro~
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November 2, 2001 6:53:57 PM

technical knowledge to install

Suppostly i was very easy.Even here not the half of the useur dont know what there are doing.Most of the software/hardware are test mainly with Intel systeme.

How a Via chipset work under win 95.

Just the most popular hardware/software work good with VIA.

When there will will have a nice mobo with a sis chipset i maybe be will reconsider me point.

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November 2, 2001 7:21:39 PM

>Because 90% of the users of this forum have athlon pcs,

this pure BS, 90% of the athlon users are here looking for help, and the rest are trolls like yourself.

Intel users are sarce because the system they build run correct the first time right out of the box, AMD users need to do serious research, head scratching and spend many hours looking thru forums for the perfect combination.

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November 2, 2001 7:21:39 PM

Quote:
How a Via chipset work under win 95.

You mean Win95 can't load with VIA/AMD K6-2? Read this, it happens to P4 too!
<A HREF="http://www.asus.com/products/Techref/Tech-report/mthmbq..." target="_new">Problem installing Windows 95 on P4B and P4T series M/Bs.</A>
>><b>Windows 95 has the same timing loop problem with P4 platform as occurred on AMD K6/2 processor before. To install Win95 on P4 motherboard, you need to downgrade the processor to 800MHz if possible and load the AMDK6UPD patch file from Microsoft. If the processor frequency is locked like regular retail processors, Win95 and the AMDK6UPD patch have to be pre-loaded on another platform to get rid of the IOS protection error.</b><<

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November 2, 2001 10:34:38 PM

LoL, whatever you say meltdown.

~Matisaro~
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November 3, 2001 12:15:10 AM

Yes, you need technical knowledge to install.

I've been down this road before.

You know what. If a total newbie decides to go out and build a PC without any clue on how to do it - fine buy a system that is idiot proof. Get an Intel board and cpu. God only knows there are enought idiots around here touting intel blindly so it must be true.

If you are building a pc and you have the faintest idea what you are doing, you'll not have an issue with heat, speed, drivers, cracked cores etc.

News flash for the world - you cannot do something technical if you are cluelesss. The ability to add a new CD Rom drive and wield a screwdriver in anger do not make you a master SI and guarantee success building PCs from scratch....

If a person does not have the faintest idea what they are doing then they should either be prepared to pay for their mistakes, or pay someone else who does know what they are doing.

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November 3, 2001 12:39:18 AM

AMDMeltdown, there are many people on these forums such as FatBurger, Crashman, Matisaro, LHGPooBaa and myself, who have posted hundreds, even thousands of posts to assist other computer users; you, on the other hand, have done nothing but put down AMD users. I agree you have to do more research when purchasing an AMD platform but isn't that supposed to be fun? It is extremely fun to read benchmarks and articles about different computer components. Even if you were a to-be Intel user, you need to still do some research. I mean you have the 845, 850, P4X266....platforms for Intel processors. If you didn't do research, you might find yourself getting an 845 motherboard with 512MB SDRAM and a 1.5GHz P4. That rig will perform very very poorly. Even a 900MHz Athlon could probably beat it in most benchmarks. You need to research in any case if you want to pick quality components.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
November 3, 2001 10:42:29 AM

Thanks for the positive mention, meltdown is a troll, he exists to insult others, he probably dosent even own a p4 system.

~Matisaro~
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November 3, 2001 4:36:15 PM

Like some dos game and old graphic card.Normaly with P4 is due to old standard that are no more support .

Wisdom dont come with time
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November 3, 2001 6:01:27 PM

Quote:
Like some dos game and old graphic card.Normaly with P4 is due to old standard that are no more support .

<b><font color=red>???</b></font color=red>

:smile: Good or Bad have no meaning at all, depends on what your point of view is.
November 3, 2001 7:49:38 PM

I don't like Juin, some say he/she is a troll, and geez can he/she refine his/her language!! We can't understand anything of the posts by him!!
November 3, 2001 11:06:35 PM

You'll have to ignore meltdoofus. He is an idiot. I currently am running ez cd creator 5 and the program that makes audio from the line in on your sound card, spin doctor has been running all of today and yesterday night copying my old records to audio. When this program runs it keeps the CPU maxed out at 100%. I haven't had any instability problems yet with my machine and that's with a VIA kt133 chipset.

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November 4, 2001 1:03:00 AM

100%? That's too high. I burn CDs with Easy CD Creator 5 and do other things on my computer at the same time without any slow downs. Weird. I have a 1.2 GHz Athlon@ 1.33GHz and 256MB RAM (upgrading to 512MB or 1 GB soon).

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November 4, 2001 3:25:57 AM

funny that.
always slaggs of at amd, yet never mentions his system.


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November 4, 2001 5:26:23 AM

I know juin doesnt have a p4(or at least not when he first showed up) he was tauting the p4 and he was running a p2 400 or something, LOL. I doubt meltdown can afford a p4, let alone owning one.


What is your system meltdown, at least fugger has a half decent system to brag about.

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November 4, 2001 5:31:27 AM

Some of the P4's go cheaper than the P3 now.

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November 4, 2001 5:44:11 AM

lol
and we all know what i have. :) 

next upgrade cycle... northwood and DDR-333/400 or thouroughbred with the same



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November 4, 2001 6:00:57 AM

Too bad the p4s which are cheaper than p3's suck worse than said p3's lol.

~Matisaro~
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November 4, 2001 6:54:27 AM

Funny, Melty once said, "My duallies are too awesome for this board." I imagine he's running dual P200's or less. Also claims to use SCSI...I imagine he's got a 1GB hard drive hanging off a narrow SCSI-1 controller with integrated floppy controller...remember those? :lol: 

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November 4, 2001 7:09:13 AM

Oh almost forgot my "job"

Juin: Like some old dos games and older graphics cards. Normally these issues with the p4 are due to old standards which are no longer supported.

~Matisaro~
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November 4, 2001 9:04:37 AM

yeah...
the pentium3-1000 is still heaps more expensive than even the athlon1.4's! on par with the new XP's here in OZ.


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