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November 1, 2001 9:31:12 PM

Hi all,

Im buying an Athlon XP 1800 CPU and would like to know which cooler to purchase. I am looking at the ThermoEngine socket A/7/370 CPU cooler, V60-4225 Black anodized version. Factory fit 6800RPM Fan with fan guard.

This was recommened by my local PC shop. Anyone know if this is the right one? Also what procedures should I perform when installing it. Do I need thermal paste etc.

Love to hear your responses

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November 1, 2001 9:41:11 PM

I have this HSF, and recommend against it. I have recently attempted to fit a quieter fan on it, to no avail. It simply cannot keep a CPU cool enough without a loud fan. Try the Volcano 6u from <A HREF="http://www.coolerguys.com" target="_new">CoolerGuys</A>. It is only $10, is very quiet, and will do the job. Are you planning on overclocking? That might change my mind...

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November 1, 2001 10:44:51 PM

ya but my problem is it looks like this cooler is the best one my hardware store stocks.... I am also going to get them to assemble the PC as I have absolutely no idea and heard many horror stories with people burning up an XP cpu.

So is this fan any good at all, I have no intention of clocking this puppy, just want to make sure it runs relabilily. I am getting Crucual 2100 DDR have if that helps. Also do you have to apply thermal paste stuff to the CPU?
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November 1, 2001 11:09:41 PM

Well.. since you are not building the machine what do you care? Yes.. thermal compound is a must. Your builder should know better than that but then again that's the reason why you are asking the store to build it up for you ain't it? So if it does blow up.. you can have a new one.

Check out this website from AMDMB.com. They have a few coolers you might want to check out

http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=133

Mike
November 2, 2001 1:36:21 AM

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So is this fan any good at all, I have no intention of clocking this puppy

Then the Volcano 6Cu is right for you. I've been using it for my system (1G overclocked to 1.4G) and it's pretty good (cool down mine from Mid-50C to ~46C) and quieter than my old GlobalWin FOP-32.

:smile: Good or Bad have no meaning at all, depends on what your point of view is.
November 2, 2001 1:43:06 AM

the swiftech mcx-370 also is an excellent option!
same 6800rpm fan, with neat design and easy to install spring loaded clips.

course dont forget u can get a 60mm to 80mm fan adaptor for a few bucks so u can use a 80mm fan.
same airflow, less noise.

Is that a Northwoody in your pocket or are you just eXPited to see me?
November 2, 2001 7:16:02 AM

Dude, and everyone.


IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO OVERCLOCK THE STANDARD RETAIL HEATSINK IS BOTH QUIET AND SUFFICIENT.

My advice to ANYONE buying a cpu is if they plan not to overclock GET THE RETAIL CPU, 3 year warantee and quiet cooler come with it!

On lighter news 1 post to go till 1600!

~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
November 2, 2001 7:26:28 AM

I have been looking into the Fans. Anyone try the Antec Jet Cool? Or its the old stand by the one that came with the Amd 1.53 box. One of them I will have blowing out the back with out the heat sink. And one fan blowing in the front. Which I had for some time
November 2, 2001 7:31:15 AM

I use an 80mm sucking in and a big ass 160mm(i think baSTARD IS HUGE) blowing out the back, but i am rethinking my thermal design for the beast 2.

~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
November 2, 2001 7:41:17 AM

you know, i've been wondering about case designs lately. now in a case, the bottom half is where just about all or the main heat generating pieces are (cpu, mobo, add on cards, hdd, etc). why not put the hdds up above were the 5.25 bays are. or in the top back? i'm going to get 2 of those 3.5-5.25 drive bays and split up my hdds (two are to the mobo and 3 are hooked to pci raid) and see if it does anything, maybe for airflow. i don't know i smoked a wee bit too much crack and i'm tired and rambling :eek: 
Anonymous
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November 2, 2001 7:46:57 AM

The horror stories are Intel BS'ers. Or absolute IDIOT situations as done here at THG. Who goes home with their shiny new cpu and takes the heatsink off while running QUAKE3? You almost have to be an idiot to screw up your cpu. The others are right, with no overclocking volcano 6cu is a good choice. 6cu+ gets you like 2 degrees tops (lower) but is NOISY also. Not at all worth it. I sell the 6CU it's really quite good, with low noise. Great for office people. Save your mind (6800rpm whines) and a bit of money.

Shibumi
November 2, 2001 8:01:42 AM

the mcx370 i got (which i'm not even using :frown: ) came with the delta 7000rpm fan instead of the papst. after 3 or 4 hours i was going insane from the noise. even for people using it strictly to get the highest possible clock, i do not know how you could stand it. it was horrible, i still have shakes from time to time. i'll get by and hopefully i'll move on.
November 2, 2001 1:15:00 PM

I have an Antech sx-840 case, and there is room for 3 HDs, so if you only have 2, you can space them out. even if you have 3, there is a fan mount in front of the HD unit (Which is removable) where you can have an intake fan blow through and move the heat to the exhaust fans. Assuming your case is long enough, you shouldn't have a problem because the CPU and cards are on the other side of the case usually.

60 FPS, 70 FPS, 80 FPS Crash!
Daylight comes and I have to go to work :frown:
Anonymous
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November 2, 2001 1:20:13 PM

I agree. I'm using the Volcano 6U on a XP 1500+ (1.33GHz) overclocked to 1.6GHz and it runs fast and stable with temps are around 95 degrees.
Anonymous
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November 2, 2001 1:23:39 PM

www.overclockers.com is filled with heatsink reviews. And yes, a standard retail cooler should be sufficent if you don't plan to OC.
November 2, 2001 1:49:29 PM

Volcano 6Cu is better than the Globalwin WBK-68?
November 2, 2001 2:45:01 PM

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IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO OVERCLOCK THE STANDARD RETAIL HEATSINK IS BOTH QUIET AND SUFFICIENT.


Absolutely.

BTW, the ThermoEngine is extremely loud with the Delta on it. That's what I've got on it right now, and it's driving me nuts.

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November 2, 2001 2:52:17 PM

I don't have any links but the heatsink of the WBK series seems superior to that of the Volcano 6. The more the fins, the more the heat spreads out. I would assume the WBK68 is better but I'm not sure and I don't know any links offhand to prove it. I think they should be roughly equal overall however because fancy heatsink designs can only get you so far. An example of that is the FOP38 to WBK38, same fan, different heatsink design. It only improves temps by 1 or 2oC.

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November 2, 2001 4:22:44 PM

I concur...twice. FB and M

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November 3, 2001 10:20:31 AM

No overclocking, use the retail fan.

~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
November 4, 2001 1:41:28 AM

That is FUD wusy, the retail fan will not shorten the life of your cpu, and if it did it would be from 20 years to 15 years big deal, do you plan on having your cpu for 15 years?

The retail hsf is sold with the athlon for a reason, it provides cooling with no excess noise. Do you think amd would sell heatsinks which do not keep their cpus adequately cool??? They dont make of lose money on the heatsink, if the retail was not adequate they would change it, they have it there for a reason, it is the perfect balance between cooling and noise!

~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
November 4, 2001 3:11:35 AM

I think Wusy is prejudiced against the retail HS. All you need is a case with some reasonable air flow, and it will work just fine.

Now, if you want it to be a bit cooler, or a bit quieter, then you need to get a fan like the Volcano 6 CU or something like that.

If you want to overclock it, you need to go to a better HS, or go with an alternative solution (Watercooling, ect). But while that might apply to 75% of this board, it only applies to 5-10% at most of all computer owners.

60 FPS, 70 FPS, 80 FPS Crash!
Daylight comes and I have to go to work :frown:
November 4, 2001 3:45:30 AM

Quote:
Volcano 6Cu is better than the Globalwin WBK-68?

NO! But quiter yes.

Video editing?? Ha, I don't even own a camera!
November 4, 2001 3:57:00 AM

ECS k7S5A
athlon xp 1800+
512 meg DDR ( crucial )
wbk-38

Full load temp 39-41 C

You just can't beat the raw power of a Delta. Now another option for you noise sensitive freaks (jk). Sound deaden your case! I have installed some sound deading matting to my generic case and now my WBK-38 runs as quite if not quiter then the volcano's

Video editing?? Ha, I don't even own a camera!
November 4, 2001 5:20:16 AM

Ok I will explain.


If your cpu runs at 39c thats great, the fact is it will run just as fine at 55c, there is no reason, stability/longevity/sound/money wise to buy an additional heatsink UNLESS you are overclocking.

My mantra(which I am considering making my signature) is "If it does not lock up it is NOT too hot."

The retail heatsinks design is to ensure the chip does not lock up at load temps, NOT to ensure it stays under 40c at load. AMD chose this heatsink to fulfill this purpose while maintaining a volume level which is low enough to sell to anyone. The retail heatsink performs its duties admirably and is perfectly fine for ALL non overclocking users.

~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
November 4, 2001 10:46:27 AM

Quote:
If your cpu runs at 39c thats great, the fact is it will run just as fine at 55c, there is no reason, stability/longevity/sound/money wise to buy an additional heatsink UNLESS you are overclocking.

I would agree with you here if you choose a slighlty lower temp say 50c, personally I think 55c is to high. And yes I do overclock, running my fsb at 150/150 now everybody might not choose to do this but it is always nice to have this option. At least if I ever do get a system crash/lockup I can be sure it is not heat related. One further thing is those heatsinks that come with a retail processor come with cheesy fans and while I have never burned a cpu I have had several cpu fans burn out on me.

Video editing?? Ha, I don't even own a camera!
November 4, 2001 11:51:12 AM

If 55c runs without locking up, its fine, it doesnt MATTER what temp the cpu is at, as long as it works. Keeping temps down or even monitoring temps is something only overclockers do. Thats the way it should be. John Doe, dosent and shouldnt care if his athlon can run toast and not crack 42C. He should care if it is quiet, and if it locks due to heat or not.

As for not knowing if your system locks due to heat, the funny thing about heatlocks is that they are very predictable, because the thermal properties of the cpu dosent vary much. If your system locke 3 minutes after loading 3dmark 2001, and it locks sooner if the pc has been on longer, or it locks everytime you run toast for 20 seconds. Heat is a very possible culprit.

~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
November 4, 2001 2:04:36 PM

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If 55c runs without locking up, its fine, it doesnt MATTER what temp the cpu is at, as long as it works.

Theres that "if" word, biggest two letter word in the english dictionary. But then are you saying that all processors will run fine at 55 C? This is my question, for I think that 55C is starting to get near the area where one would be concerned about his temps. And by what means are you measuring this temp? After all there are swings of 10C depending on what method of monitoring you are using. And how well will the volcano do if the fan fails, is it sufficient to protect the cpu from thermaldeath in case of this happening in the owners absence? does the use of the volcano make it necesary to imploy more aggressive case cooling to achieve those temps when say a wbk-38 might not need as many case fans? All things to consider.

Video editing?? Ha, I don't even own a camera!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Ncogneto on 11/04/01 11:07 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
November 4, 2001 5:00:36 PM

Ok, perhaps you are misunderstanding me.


IF he turns on his computer, and plays whatever games/programs whatever he plays, and it does not lock up. IT DOES NOT MATTER, if his temp was 60c 20c or 80c, because it did not lock up, and that means heat is NOT an issue.

Fans dying could happen on ANY heatsink, and the retail heatsink's fan is just fine, just check it every once in a while, like you would with any hsf.

~Matisaro~
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
~Tbird1.3@1.5~
November 4, 2001 5:43:34 PM

I agree totally. It's all dependant on what you use the computer for. I surf the net, download and rip DIVX, surf some porn, play some games (Diablo II, Links 2001, Madden 2002). But I do NOT RUN TOAST, OR OTHER BURN IN APPLICATIONS 24/7. My idle temps are in the mid 20's celsious. If anyone who is just an occasional surfer/gamer, who apparently bought a 1+ghz Athlon (because they are smart :-) is having no stability problems... i.e. lockups then the retail heatsink and fan are ABSOLUTELY sufficient.

It is only when you decide to start overclocking (stressing) the CPU that you need extra cooling, then you can debate on heatsinks all day.

And on that note, ANY lump of aluminum with a screaming Delta fan on top can cool a CPU sufficiently. I repeat ANY LUMP OF ALUMINUM with a Delta fan can cool. The real question of cooling power is noise to cooling efficiency. How much noise you are willing to tolerate to the amount of cooling you desire.

That is the debate. So first ask whether or not you plan to overclock, then decide what heatsink/fan combination to use.

Sorry for the rant, just tired of the flames on Heatsinks these days, heatsink rants are worse than Intel/AMD these days. Find what is right for your rig, be happy, play games.


'Da Bears!!!


Funk

<b>"These are my thoughts, your mileage may vary."
November 4, 2001 6:26:19 PM

Quote:
IF he turns on his computer, and plays whatever games/programs whatever he plays, and it does not lock up. IT DOES NOT MATTER, if his temp was 60c 20c or 80c, because it did not lock up, and that means heat is NOT an issue.

I will agree with that 100 percent. But if his computer runs fine at 55 C but starts to exhibit errors at 60 C then he is running a bit to close to the threshold for comfort and that is the point! This could easily happen on a hot summer day, or during an extended period of heavier than normal usage. Personally, I myself feel that the 55 C that you suggest as fine may be a bit to close to that threshold.


Video editing?? Ha, I don't even own a camera!
November 4, 2001 6:28:06 PM

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My idle temps are in the mid 20's celsious.

HUH? On what processor?????? An athlon xp 1800+ ? With what cooler?

Video editing?? Ha, I don't even own a camera!
November 4, 2001 7:19:25 PM

Just a note to back up ~Matisaro~. AMD claims the maximum temperature for Athlons is 90 or 95C, depending upon the chip. AMD would not give a three year warrantee on their chips with their retail fan, if they thought the fan was not good enough to say run benchmarks and burn in programs (without overclocking that is).

Old enough to remember when sex was safe and a personal computer was a slide rule :wink:
November 5, 2001 12:36:33 PM

No an AXIA gig o'clocked to 1200.

<b>"These are my thoughts, your mileage may vary."
November 5, 2001 2:53:57 PM

Quote:
Just a note to back up ~Matisaro~. AMD claims the maximum temperature for Athlons is 90 or 95C, depending upon the chip.

These are not operating temperatures but temparture thresholds in which major damage could occur if exceded....big differnce! True you may not fry your t-bird if you run it at 70 C but your data integraty is comprimised!

Video editing?? Ha, I don't even own a camera!
November 5, 2001 3:01:07 PM

Your not using a volcano to achieve those temps for sure. Look this is not a rant to say the volcano is a POS ( while I believe better coolers can be had for slightly more). I only took issue with the 55 C statement, I beleive that is a bit high to be comfortable with.

Video editing?? Ha, I don't even own a camera!
November 6, 2001 12:08:56 PM

Actually I use an Alpha Pal-6035 (almost 2 years old) and a Thermaltake 31cfm 60mm fan. Don't need a delta fan for good cooling, I prefer to keep my case cool. Hard drives need cooling, video card needs cooling, Not just the CPU, bring down the case temps, and the cpu temp will also drop.

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Anonymous
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November 6, 2001 12:38:58 PM

I have the MCX370 with the y'stech fan running at 7600 rpms. This thing is so friggin' loud. LHGPooBaa mentioned something about an adapter for a 60mm to 80mm fan. I would definately be interested in this if somebody could give me a link. I need to quiet that thing down. Thanks in advance.
November 6, 2001 12:44:39 PM

I agree, however instead of one Delta yuou choose to use multiple case fans, nothing wrong with that at all mind you. Rpm is not what is important, it is CFM.

Video editing?? Ha, I don't even own a camera!
November 6, 2001 3:20:14 PM

I actually had 4 80mm case fans and a slot cooler for my vid card, recently removed the slot cooler, and unplugged 2 case fans.

So now I have an 80mm intake (yes intake) in the rear of my case, and an 80mm exhaust in the front. All told, my PSU fan, 60mm Tt heatsink fan, and 2 80mm Antec Case fans (stock). Not exactly silent, but not nearly as loud as most cooling solutions.

Idle (surfing) temps - System 25C, CPU 29C
Load (Toast after an hour - Sys 27C, CPU 51C

<b>"These are my thoughts, your mileage may vary."
November 6, 2001 4:40:36 PM

I've been looking at the 1800+ as well. The shop I'm thinking of getting it from only offers the Cooler Master EP5-6I11. What are everyone's thoughts on this one?
Anonymous
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November 6, 2001 5:19:48 PM

>I only took issue with the 55 C statement, I beleive that
>is a bit high to be comfortable with.

55 is fine really, IF it where achieved under serious stress (like toast, prime,..) and in normal operating conditions (not in the winter, when in the summer your room get 20° warmer).

I tried with both a Duron 600@933 and an Athlon 1.4 by removing or throtteling the cpu fan. Both got unstable way above 70°C. At 600 Mhz, the duron ran totally stable at 75°C, overclocked it would crash beyond 70°. The Athlon even ran fine at close to 80° (swiftech cooler, NO cpu fan, NO case fans, disconnected (!) PSU fans.. completely silent system). Not a recommended setup though ;-)

Not really scientific or conclusive evidence, but if 80°c works, 55° should be fine.



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