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November 15, 2001 10:51:12 PM

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Customer interest for Itanium servers is "effectively zero," Joe Marengi, senior vice president and general manager, Dell Americas, said in an interview Tuesday at the Comdex Fall 2001 trade show. "The investment involved in the transition in huge.

"I don't see the speed and benefit to what the processor brings to the equation," he added.

<A HREF="http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5099628,0..." target="_new">Full Article</A>

Quick read, nothing technical. Actualy about a possible bug w/ the itanium. Intel says it's not the chips' problem. No one can prove either way yet. Some be smell'n a 1.13 type 'o situation.

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November 16, 2001 3:57:15 PM

Lemmings at work, dell is a consumer based company and the Itanium is a professional product. GG dumb ass

Im not sure how many we have sold to date yet, but the number is over 10k easy.

no bugs, your just a lemming trying to add a little fluff to your badly misguided post.

http://www.ornl.gov/hgmis/

Its the Itanium thats mapping the human genome atm, and projected to be done by the end of 2003 (hi!! 2 years early). what does that mean, cures for diseases and birth defects that are not possible today. New cures have already been discovered already.

http://www.accessexcellence.org/AB/IE/What_Can_We_Expec...

In 2000, they prdicted to be complete in 5~10 more years.

http://www.ornl.gov/hgmis/project/clinton1.html

http://www.celera.com

Celera is leading the project, I went to the announce (in DC) in August for "new human assembly" and new drugs already discovered defects.

Go Go gadget Itanium! Just think, you want to pull the plug... tsk tsk
November 16, 2001 4:10:57 PM

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New cures have already been discovered already.


Apparently the Itanium doesn't help with your English.

Sorry, couldn't help myself :) 

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November 16, 2001 6:17:57 PM

i just found an article and posted it. i mentioned that they didn't know what the problem was. i've seen other articles saying similar things. someone put some links to them in another post here in the cpu forum as well. thank you very much for posting all those links on what the itanium is being used for. those are very useful and informative but in no way address my post. congratulations on being an idiot.

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November 16, 2001 9:47:08 PM

Fatburger, thanks for correcting my typo, ill sleep better tonite, err should I say tonight? two nite? too night? 2 nyte? nm.. Im pretty damn sure you know what I mean and have ZERO problem understanding. Tell Mavis I said Hi!

Kellidin "we" ? you posting as a jollyg now?

Jollygrinch, You posted it like a troll and then you spat out some crap reguarding the Itanium. It does address your post, your post claims bugs and low sales. yet I pointed out who you are selling to matters, and what they are used for now.

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November 16, 2001 10:20:22 PM

-- WARNING -- many useless posts ahead...

>Jollygrinch, You posted it like a troll

If that was a troll post, then what do we call yours ? The issue is real. Compaq wouldnt stop shipping servers for no reason. Whether or not its a cpu bug is another story, but I think it was a very valid post.

>your post claims bugs and low sales. yet I pointed out
>who you are selling to matters, and what they are used
>for now

Intel basically gave away these systems to be used for a good cause. Thats a good thing. But it doesnt really prove any sales, and one other thing.. imagine the Itanium would have some bug (would not really be that surprising given the completely new architecture and instruction set).. what would that do to the results of this search ? Maybe we should feel better if they where researched on a proven architecture.. Its not like a Sun or IBM machine would not be able to crunch those numbers.

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November 16, 2001 11:24:24 PM

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Kellidin "we" ? you posting as a jollyg now?

Well, you call this "lemmings at work," as if the entire population of AMD fans (meaning 90% of THGC, AnandTech forums, and [H]ardForums) is out to convert the world to AMD. I thought I'd cheerfully oblige your stereotype.

A rather more accurate stereotype would be that much of the forum population (AMD fan or not) loves bruising your ego, kicking your head in, and generally making your forum life miserable. You bring it on yourself, and it's a great deal of fun for us. :smile:

Kelledin
<A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/" target="_new">LFS</A>: "You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn; you just hack your distro all day long."
November 16, 2001 11:54:50 PM

"Its not like a Sun or IBM machine would not be able to crunch those numbers."

June 2001, we pulled the sun's and by the end of july was the announce that 2 years (not seconds, minutes, days, weeks or months but YEARS) were shaved off mapping. funny you mention that. early results = better life for us all.

Kellidin, we = lemmings.. ah, ok.
November 17, 2001 1:03:48 AM

Fugger you seem mad. Do we need a talk now. Seriously you only impress hate and fighting. Maybe a 1 on 1 you and me see whats really up.

MSN me Rcf84_r6_style@hotmail.com

Nice Nvidia and ATi users get a Cookie.... :smile: Yummy :smile:
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November 17, 2001 4:59:48 AM

You’re a joke Kelledin trying to pick scraps in a hardware forum. Go back to the cheap biker bar where’st you came. We Intel folks don’t need your crap language or opinion. Save your rude and bias comment to yourself and do us all a favor and STFU. I for one am tired of you gang raping every Pro Intel guy here just cause your posse thinks its cool and not considered trolling. Thank you DL for the dumb ass list that points out that Intel users aren’t welcome here in this forum.

-Spuddy

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November 17, 2001 5:34:15 AM

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I for one am tired of you gang raping every Pro Intel guy here just cause your posse thinks its cool and not considered trolling.

Oh, I guess that's why I gang-rape charlie2uk and Raystonn. Oh wait, I don't think I've ever lobbed a personal insult at them in all my time here. Way to go; apparently you're pretty observant. :lol: 

There's a difference between being pro-Intel and being an idiot; AmdMeltdown and FUGGER are idiots. It's the general concensus that they don't belong on these boards and probably shouldn't be let out of their homes without an escort of some kind. If you don't want to face the hard truth, that's too bad. I'm not leaving these boards for your sake. :tongue:

Kelledin
<A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/" target="_new">LFS</A>: "You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn; you just hack your distro all day long."

P.S. When was the last time you actually helped someone on these boards? Or displayed any real technical knowledge?
November 17, 2001 5:58:56 AM

jeez...

i thought the initial post was pretty neutral.
and i too have seen similar reports all over the place. its a bug/its not a bug... they are working on it.

and people come out flaming like an army flamethrower on smack!


Why do i feel like the lone sane voice in the mental assylum?
November 17, 2001 6:04:53 AM

The latest on the Inquirer is that Intel confirmed the bug and released a new stepping of the Itanium.

Kelledin
<A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/" target="_new">LFS</A>: "You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn; you just hack your distro all day long."
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November 17, 2001 7:13:34 AM

>June 2001, we pulled the sun's and by the end of july was
>the announce that 2 years (not seconds, minutes, days,
>weeks or months but YEARS) were shaved off mapping

Sure.. I mean we all know what an impressive performer the Itanium is.. I mean it DOES handle SSL encryption well.. So you replaced those 2 Suns with 48 Itaniums, and now it runs faster ? Great ! Good thing Intel had that many unsold systems laying around anyway.

Maybe they should ask IBM of a single Power4 machine to really accelerate things and give us correct results.

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November 17, 2001 8:42:38 AM

exactly... news updated. bugs (whatever they were) fixed. we move on

who do some people get so personal and stroppy?

Why do i feel like the lone sane voice in the mental assylum?
November 17, 2001 11:20:02 AM

Good to see spuddy defending his troll buddies, warms my heart ignorance roams in packs.

~Matisaro~
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November 17, 2001 9:26:28 PM

Dont you mean when was the last time i pretended to know everything? Ill leave it to you tough guy thats what your good at.

-Spuddy

<font color=red>Being Evil Is Good. Cause I Can Be A Prick And Get Away With It.</font color=red> :lol: 
November 18, 2001 3:29:47 AM

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Kellidin, we = lemmings.. ah, ok.

lol, i've been around here longer than you FUGGER. I found and posted a relevent article. I appologize that the source wasn't from the all mighty SGI, however it was from an industry rellevent source. As for the thing with Kellidin, that just goes to show how low you will stoop before engaging in any sort of meaningful discussion.

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November 18, 2001 4:01:57 AM

ya dumbass.. the itanium are for busniess use not for the consumer market dork.

:) 

cheer up! one day intel will come out with something decent for the consumer market! they pulled a chip out of there ass before they can do it again lol.

my opinion is that the P4 is a waste of silicon lol. i sure do hope intel comes out with something decent! don't want AMD to be a monopoly and have this "chips to expensive to upgrade" stuff again. remember when a PII 450 chip cost 500 dollars! *shivers* don't want that again! :) 

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November 18, 2001 5:11:47 AM

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ya dumbass.. the itanium are for busniess use not for the consumer market dork.

would you mind quoting me where i said anything that might lead one to think that i wasn't aware of this? as far as i can see, that was fairly obvious in the article. thank you for reminding me though...as for the dumbass bit: |=uck you.

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November 18, 2001 12:29:51 PM

place an F before the uck and you have your answer.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
November 18, 2001 12:41:06 PM

Bazaar, Kelldin, if you've ever gang raped me I want to know about it 'cos you and me are going to have to have words.

BTW, I just want to clarify my position on Itaniun. Its a young process with a narrow platform base. However I think with such large players backing it, the said base will expand with time. Secondly, it has shown itself to be a very capable chip in FPU operations. Whether it will be better than Hammer remains to be see and I shall reserve judgemnet 'till we see some benchmarks.

Charlie

Did you know there never was there ever a cat so clever as magical Mr. Mistoffeles?
November 18, 2001 1:54:26 PM

I posted links to benchmarks, in spec the itanium gets ASS RAPED, by every processor listed. 2ghz p4, the 1600xp, a power g4(I think) and some alpha chip. The professionals think itanium sucks ass, and epic is a failure.(having more problems than it was supposed to solve).

Check out
www.realworldtech.com for professionals commenting on epic and all things microchips.

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November 18, 2001 3:07:45 PM

I have seen different benchmarks, about 2 months ago and I can't remember the URL. I know that sounds like a bit of lame response but bear with me. I saw that the Itanium layed down the law in terms of FPU performance. I am now going to find those benchmarks, promise.

However, I am also of the Itanium is primarily a development platform to get some EPIC apps out there ready for Itanium which Intels says is going to be the real deal. I mean Itanium is still on 0.18u process, which is an ageing technology now.

However I'm not convinced by your link, it also sounds like hearsay. I know, lets ask tom to do a comparission of the systems in question.

Charlie



Did you know there never was there ever a cat so clever as magical Mr. Mistoffeles?
November 18, 2001 3:13:43 PM

Secondly, where are the credentials of this posters? I don't want to be combative but where is their opinion worth so much more than yours or mine. I'm an Electronic Engineering student specilaising in micro-architecture with some A.I. on the side for light entertainment, so I'd like to think I can make informed opinions on all the various literature that has been published on this topic. I mean your in the know as well so surely you're opinion is equally valueable?

Charlie

Did you know there never was there ever a cat so clever as magical Mr. Mistoffeles?
November 19, 2001 4:33:09 AM

They are industry professionals, and they seem to be very knowledgable.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
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November 19, 2001 8:15:30 AM

When I read these threads, it's always interesting to me how FUGGER and Spuddy jump in with guns blazing, calling people names right off the bat. Then if anyone defends themself or their point of view with any sort of energy, they're a troll or a lemming or a monkey or a pup or whatever. I would have thought those guys would have figured out by now how hypocritical they are and how little respect they command due to their antics, but no. Well, it's fun to see them get kicked around at least.

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November 19, 2001 8:59:37 AM

When and where did I call Kelledin a name??? And how often do me and Fugger and myself post on this newbie forum??? Not very often buddy. I agree the name calling is stupid and all but you have to understand our side we are a pro Intel so in the statement of the forum is 90% pro AMD I would say we are the ones picked on we are the underdogs we root for the evil giant known as Intel.

Oh and the defence you so call it isn’t a defending of a point of view its a opinionated piece of crap that is spewed from a unknowledgeable person. Such statements are like our Fugitsu employee Matisaro:

“I posted links to benchmarks, in spec the itanium gets ASS RAPED, by every processor listed. 2ghz p4, the 1600xp, a power g4(I think) and some alpha chip. The professionals think itanium sucks ass, and epic is a failure.(having more problems than it was supposed to solve).”

Also our local biker thug Kelledin’s statement:

Well, you call this "lemmings at work," as if the entire population of AMD fans (meaning 90% of THGC, AnandTech forums, and [H]ardForums) is out to convert the world to AMD. I thought I'd cheerfully oblige your stereotype.

A rather more accurate stereotype would be that much of the forum population (AMD fan or not) loves bruising your ego, kicking your head in, and generally making your forum life miserable. You bring it on yourself, and it's a great deal of fun for us.

You call that a mature approach? A well thought statement? A knowledgeable statement? A non-troll statement? I don’t think so your camp is worse than ours in you inflammatory remarks. In fact I know your side is worse even with AMDmeltdown on our side. He’s a kid nothing more nothing less I don’t take what he says seriously either. But Fugger and Raystonn on the other hand are industry men they know there [-peep-] and make sure that you know they know it too. Fugger is harsh with it though no denying that or sidestepping that. But what comes out of your guy’s mouth is more propaganda and opinionated inflammatory remarks than what comes out of ours more so Fugger and AMDmeltdown.

Well I’m done with my opinionated remarks and statement based on my observations of the newbie forum known as THG. Night folks.


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November 19, 2001 11:41:06 AM

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You’re a joke Kelledin trying to pick scraps in a hardware forum. Go back to the cheap biker bar where’st you came.

Sounds like an insult to me spuddy.





You have shown time and time again to have neither anything to say of value, nor a leg to stand on when you attack kelledin for "trolling".


BTW, I did post links to itanium spec scores, how about reading up a few posts. By the "professionals" I meant the professionals who post at realworldtech.com, who seem to know a hell of a lot more about the semiconductor industry than you little troll. But you would realize that if you bothered to read peoples links instead of mindlessly defending your pimp daddy intel when anyone posts anything which show them in a bad light. Grow up and get a life spud.

When 90% of a forum think you are an ignorant mindless troll, and you claim thats because 90% of a forum are mindless amd pups, perhaps that claim should tell you something.(a: you are a psycho who cant admit the fact you are unliked and use the liking of amd as an excuse for their dislike of your obvious bating/flaming behavior. Or B: you really are a moron who no one can stand, and you just have a problem admitting it.) take your pick man.

You are known, and your bs attacks are meaningless, so take your buddy meltdown and fugger and run along, you are not welcome here.


And PS: Thats FUJITSU not Fugitsu, perhaps your oppinions and statements would be more credible if you learned to spell properly. (unless it was a lame attack at my place of employment like meltdown is so fond of doing, in which case it is coming off as really mature, good job spuddy!)

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
November 19, 2001 11:43:50 AM

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And how often do me and Fugger and myself post on this newbie forum??? Not very often buddy.



Thank god for that! Everything out of your mouths is fud ,troll baiting and pointless flaming.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
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November 19, 2001 12:21:28 PM

I think this has gotten a little out of had. But Matisaro, he does have a point. The boards lean quite heavily in AMD's direction, however crying about won't help.

But surely you have to see that you're comment (quote) "Itanium gets arse-raped" (unquote)was quite provactive. It works both ways if you catch my drift.

You are no doubt a little peeved at being lectured at by a junior member, but come every one, why can't we just agree to differ on certain matters. Does it really matter in the grand scheme of the universe which company makes faster processor, lets get some perspective. 5000 families losts fathers/mothers/brothers/sisters etc.

So to get into a screaming match about processor perfromance is a bit silly.
That my liberty speech for the day

Charlie

Did you know there never was there ever a cat so clever as magical Mr. Mistoffeles?
November 19, 2001 12:21:34 PM

I think this has gotten a little out of had. But Matisaro, he does have a point. The boards lean quite heavily in AMD's direction, however crying about it won't help.

But surely you have to see that you're comment (quote) "Itanium gets arse-raped" (unquote)was quite provoctive. It works both ways if you catch my drift.

You are no doubt a little peeved at being lectured at by a junior member, but come every one, why can't we just agree to differ on certain matters. Does it really matter in the grand scheme of the universe which company makes faster processor, lets get some perspective. 5000 families losts fathers/mothers/brothers/sisters etc.

So to get into a screaming match about processor perfromance, it's a bit silly.
That my liberty speech for the day

Charlie

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November 19, 2001 4:27:57 PM

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you people are soo naive! heheh.


There's the pot calling the kettle black.

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November 19, 2001 4:28:34 PM

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But Fugger and Raystonn on the other hand are industry men they know there [-peep-] and make sure that you know they know it too.

The difference is that Raystonn conducts himself in a civil fashion. Raystonn has always managed to provide information and links to back up any claims he has made. Fugger hasn't. Fugger often times initiates the flames (as evident in this thred). While Raystonn will only respond in kind. I have respect for Raystonn. Fugger i do not. Even if he is right in a debate, he conducts himself poorly and deserves no respect from anyone on these boards who are here for computer related reasons. I never said that Fugger didn't have a unique perspective on the industry because of his job. Indeed there are many things that i would find interesting to talk to him about. However, it would also be interesting to poke a rabid badger with a sharp stick. I think i'd rather do the later...would be much more pleasant.

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November 19, 2001 9:03:14 PM

First of all, I don't know if I qualify as being in a camp, unless it's the camp that doesn't like trolls. I don't post often enough for anyone to really know me, but I read just about every day. And I cringe when the AMD fanatics say something stupid as much as I cringe at AMDMeltdown or Fugger's drivel.

Second, I don't think that liking Intel automatically results in the AMD people hurling insults at you. Look at Raystonn and rcf84. They're respectful in how they post and they don't get flamed. And on the one or two occasions when someone flamed Raystonn, other pro-AMD members have come to his defence. I think you get back what you put in ... if you're disrespectful and insulting, people will respond in kind. Like this post for example. I didn't see anything inflammatory in the initial post, but then FUGGER started right in with the insults. So people insulted him back. He got what he deserved. I guess I don't understand the need to put other people down because they have a preference one way or another. I root for different sports teams than my friends and acquaintances, but it's always on a friendly level. I don't understand why differing opinions on computers should bring out such vitriol.

As for you Spuddy, I was beginning to change my opinion of you. The recent posts I'd seen from you were pretty "normal," until this thread. I'm sure you couldn't care less about my opinion, but I'm sure there were others here who were beginning to see you in a different light.

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November 19, 2001 10:04:14 PM

When and where did I call Kelledin a name??? I’m still curious as to when I called him a name. The insult was never called into question we all knew that's what it was why bring it up pointless... like usual.

"BTW, I did post links to Itanium spec scores, how about reading up a few posts. By the "professionals" I meant the professionals who post at www.realworldtech.com, who seem to know a hell of a lot more about the semiconductor industry than you little troll. But you would realize that if you bothered to read peoples links instead of mindlessly defending your pimp daddy Intel when anyone posts anything which show them in a bad light. Grow up and get a life spud."

What professional’s buddy I don’t see any certification no degrees or industry positions never even heard of theses wannabes so don’t kid your self-buddy. Why would you say I’m a troll anyways I’m speaking my mind about people's personal opinion and attitudes ... its called constructive criticism and we all know I cant do it very well, but hey I try. I also never claimed that the forum was a 90% mindless AMD pups. Quit putting words in my mouth. Now truth is known this forum is now full of too many newbies for my liking.

Also your slanderous statements "a: you are a psycho who cant admit the fact you are unliked and use the liking of AMD as an excuse for their dislike of your obvious bating/flaming behavior. Or B: you really are a moron who no one can stand, and you just have a problem admitting it."

When in the [-peep-] did I mention AMD CPU's and Intel CPU's??? Christ man get a grip I was talking about the personal attacks and lack of maturity on both parties nothing about the companies chips. I think you the one that needs a reality check not me. "And PS: That’s FUJITSU not Fugitsu" what makes you think I spelt it wrong by mistake???

"You are no doubt a little peeved at being lectured at by a junior member, but come every one, why can't we just agree to differ on certain matters. Does it really matter in the grand scheme of the universe which company makes faster processor, lets get some perspective. 5000 families lost fathers/mothers/brothers/sisters etc"

Actually no I’m not chariec2uk unlike most of the forum members I can take constructive criticism quite well.

Jollygrinch I also said that Fugger is harsh disrespectful and downright rude nothing new there. But I was stating his knowledge base is very large in contrast to everyone here cept Raystonn.

"As for you Spuddy, I was beginning to change my opinion of you. The recent posts I'd seen from you were pretty "normal," until this thread. I'm sure you couldn't care less about my opinion, but I'm sure there were others here who were beginning to see you in a different light."

Believe it or not I too liked to be respected its a human necessity. I do actually care what people think hence why I get so emotional and defensive when I’m or others I respect are attacked.

Well I’m done my opinionated views for today. Night folks.

-Spuddy






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November 19, 2001 10:34:24 PM

Fugger's done it again. Amazing.
November 20, 2001 5:22:03 AM

Well, it's getting pretty touchy-feely in here, so I don't want to make it worse. I'll just say this, if you respect me, whether you agree with me or not, then I'll do the same for you. There's a lot I don't know, so I'm bound to say stupid things. Correct me when I'm wrong, just don't rub my face in it. I use an AMD processor, you use Intel, so what's the big deal? I'll go for a good-natured debate any day, but I can do without all the flames.

<i>Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.</i>
November 20, 2001 8:16:53 AM

Let me say, that when I said ass raped, I was talking about the itanium, NOT INTEL, and that would be a valid statement.

if you look at the link you see that the itanium barely made HALF of the score of the xp1600 and the p42ghz, it is supposed to be a powerful new archetechture(epic) and it is getting stomped. That IMO would classify as ass raped.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
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November 20, 2001 8:23:54 AM

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What professional’s buddy I don’t see any certification no degrees or industry positions never even heard of theses wannabes so don’t kid your self-buddy.


If you took a moment to read the site, you would see most of the people posting there ARE certified industry professionals, and the general commentary there is VERY indepth. The threads I linked to were people in the industry posting about itanium, and epic, and how the itanium performs and problems with it. There is no amdmeltdownism or FFF there, its all technical discussion. The gist of the dicsussion is that the epic archetechture is flawwed and the itanium has tons of issues. That is all my post was about.


As for the personal insults, you did insult kelledin because he attacked fugger, who IMO has never been attacked without damn good reason. When you spend your time defending fugger and meltdown, even if you are trying to be non biased, you wind up being put in the same boat as them.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
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November 20, 2001 4:16:04 PM

before you solely rely on specFP please read the link i posted and you will see that the itanium is (was at time of release) an FP monster hardly getting stomped or what you call "ass raped".

i had a drink the other day... opinions were like kittens i was givin' away
November 20, 2001 9:05:37 PM

Amdmeltdown rools joo!

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
November 20, 2001 9:37:05 PM

how about this...

if one person calls you a troll, ignore them.
if two people call you a troll, worry
if three or more call u a troll, go buy a bridge to hide under :) 

Why do i feel like the lone sane voice in the mental assylum?
November 20, 2001 9:50:47 PM

lol ... It's too bad the trolls don't like to get under their bridges, and instead prefer to hang out on certain computer forums.

<i>Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.</i>
November 20, 2001 10:14:02 PM

heh

i noticed a comment fugger or melty made, (cant remember which, apologies for the person who didnt make it).
he was complaining about the number of amd people/lovers/trolls in tomshardware, anandtech, etc etc etc.

wonder if realisation has dawned that so many people cant be all trolls, its just that the majority of tinkerers/overclockers/homebuilders prefer amd.

Why do i feel like the lone sane voice in the mental assylum?
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