POWERLEAP!!!

time to upgrade those BH6's! with: <A HREF="http://www.powerleap.com/Products/iP3T.htm" target="_new">powerleap</A>!!!

now there's no reason to suffer instabilities problems and retarded Irq's with AMD/VIA, upgrade to a tualatin+BH6!!!

dust off those boards!

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
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  1. Wow, spend 170 to upgrade to a CPU that performs less than half as well as CPUs priced $60 less.

    Seriously, I did look at these as a posable solution to upgrade my old P2B, but I decided the price/performance wasn't worth it, especialy with several other old parts still in the computer.

    It is a nice Slot converter though, and is one of the few still in production.

    Chesnuts roasting on an open CPU
    Bill Gates nipping at your wallet
  2. AMDMeltdown! I bet you my AMD Athlon system is more stable than any Intel system you can build! Why? Because I'm a highly experienced individual who has been programming and building computers since the age of 8 (I'm 15 now). Building a system has nothing to do with the platform (well it does but to a very small degree), it has more to do with experience. An experience individual would know which parts to put together in a PC and would know how they would work and their pros and cons before actually building the system. I've already built a system for one friend (an Athlon system, that worked perfectly since day one). He did have some problems but I went and fixed them all. First of all, his USB Lexmark Z33 wasn't working under Windows 98SE. I automatically knew it was a problem in the BIOS. It was! The USB controller was disabled! Secondly, everything he installed was corrupted and crashed. NO IT WASN'T HIS PROCESSOR! It was his Asus DVD Drive. It was damaged and misread some CDs. He sent it back and got a good one. Now, he has got one of the fastest and most stable systems ever for under $1500 CDN ($1000 USD), believe or not. His specs:

    AMD Athlon 1.33GHz overclocked to 1.4GHz
    Volcano6CU+ (no other case fans)
    256MB PC133 CL2 RAM
    IWill KK266 PLus
    40GB 7200RPM Western Digital Hard drive
    Asus 8X DVD-ROM drive
    Asus V7700 GeForce2 GTS 64MB
    Acer 20X/10X/40X CD-RW
    300W Enermax PSU
    Generic case
    19" NEC MultiSync 95 Monitor
    Wireless Logitech Keyboard and mouse
    Lexmark Z33

    Not bad at all


    AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
  3. Where that come from???

    -Spuddy

    <font color=red>Being Evil Is Good. Cause I Can Be A Prick And Get Away With It.</font color=red> :lol:
  4. Nice try.

    I dont really hard my have never crash except the 1 day.

    Wisdom dont come with time
    Meilleur chance la prochaine fois
  5. I´m sorry to say but poorly produced hardware has nothing to do with experience. You may be a very experienced rig builder, but sometimes you just end up with a crappy piece of hardware, which has been the result of a poor production.I´m not saying Intel is better than AMD , i´m just trying to say that its hard to protect yourself from crappy hardware. Even the best companies, sometimes make a slip up.

    No offense intended.

    My rig
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  6. Quote:
    I bet you my AMD Athlon system is more stable than any Intel system you can build!


    Do you realize how ignorant that statement makes you look?

    <font color=orange>Quarter</font color=orange> <font color=blue>Pounder</font color=blue> <font color=orange>Inside</font color=orange>
  7. Well, I know that was crazy what I started blabbering but I've had it with trolls. They're giving the average user a very very wrong impression about hardware. When it comes to anything, generalization is a BAD THING! Saying all AMD products are bad and all Intel products are stable is like saying all Christians bad are and and all Muslims are good or vise versa. THAT IS DEFINITELY WRONG! GENERALIZATION IS A BAD THING. I admit a went a bit overboard but when are trolls going to grow up and stop these meaningless insults and start posting intelligently? Ahhh! I asked for a truce before, but nooo! I'm going crazy. There is a solution to every computer problem! When will people realize that? Sorry for seeming ignorant, but I was hoping to be the opposite. I would like to consider myself open minded, but I've had enough.

    AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by AMD_Man on 11/21/01 06:01 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
  8. Quote:
    Nice try.

    I dont really hard my have never crash except the 1 day.

    That was a nice try on your part, too. Now what were you trying to say?

    As far as AMD Man, don't be too hard on him. He's a teenager and we all know how they can be. He'll settle down eventually.

    <i>Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.</i>
  9. The funny thing is, both me and AMD_Man are teens too... making Meltdown even more inferior....
    I do agree with Amd Man though. And yeah Juin went too far in writing, I could not understand anything this time! FatBurger go translate!
  10. Quote:
    Building a system has nothing to do with the platform(well it does but to a very small degree), it has more to do with experience.

    lol, that's the funniest thing i've heard in a while...well, now jolly, don't be too quick to judge. i've got a little experience...Let's give it a try:

    ABRA KADABRA!! ~waves magic wand~

    ~crickets chirp~

    nope, no system. guess i'd better go out and buy those parts after all. good thing the platform doesn't mater, i've got experience. i think i'll solder a cyrix chip to my geforce sdr and run some wires to a socket 7 board. man, this thing is gonna be fast!

    no vestige of a beginning, no prospect of an end, when we all disintegrate, it'll all happen again.
  11. um, you're misinterpreting my logic. If you have experience with hardware, then you'd know what goes together and what doesn't. I have yet to see truly poorly produced hardware in general. A single product under a single certain platform is not cause enough to claim that hardware is bad. 90% of so-called hardware problems are actually driver problems. The other 10% are truly hardware problems but can usually be worked around through software. If you know what goes together, you won't have problems. How would you know? Read popular hardware review sites. This community is a poor place to find truly unbiased advice.

    AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
  12. Quote:

    nope, no system. guess i'd better go out and buy those parts after all. good thing the platform doesn't mater, i've got experience. i think i'll solder a cyrix chip to my geforce sdr and run some wires to a socket 7 board. man, this thing is gonna be fast!

    I didn't say anything about performance! I was referring to stability! Well, experience alone obviously isn't enough but a combination of knowledge and experience is necessary. If you disagree with any of my opinion then ask me to elaborate rather than insulting me. I'd greatly appreciate it if you don't make a mockery of me.


    AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
  13. Quote:


    As far as AMD Man, don't be too hard on him. He's a teenager and we all know how they can be. He'll settle down eventually.

    Don't you know it's rude to call someone in the third person in a thread they started? hehe. Anyway, what did I do to be insulted? BTW, please don't judge a person by his/her age.

    AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by AMD_Man on 11/21/01 09:04 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
  14. this place has seriously become overtaken by amd trolls

    AMD = Anger Management Disorder
  15. This place? The forum? LoL, overrun by amd trolls. If you say so. How many amd trolls can you name on the level of amdmeltdown and fugger, none.

    "The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
    No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
  16. That's coming from an Intel troll. I think we should redefine the word troll.

    AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
  17. >Wow, spend 170 to upgrade to a CPU that performs less than half as well as CPUs priced $60 less.

    which CPUs are you refering to? the 1.2 tualatin blows away others in terms of overclocking and stability not to mention it's a .13um chip running cooler than all cpus priced $60 less.

    $169 breaks down like this: cpu $100 adaptor $69 which also accepts the P3-S

    "<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
  18. Anyways... to bring this back on track...

    The PowerLeap adapters are going to be great for those people who have older i440BX (or similar) based motherboards and just want a quick and easy upgrade solution. In six months, as the Tuatalin cores drop in price, I'm sure the new slockets will prove their worth.

    - JW
  19. Hey, I was sort of sticking up for you. And you didn't start the thread, unless you also go by AMDMeltdown. I don't hate teenagers, by the way, I just like to give them a hard time. All in fun, though. Sounds like you know how to build a good system, just avoid those generalizations. When I turned 15 the first IBM PC had just come out, so I didn't have the same opportunities you have. Things are definitely much better now if you're into DIY.

    I'd address the original subject of the thread, but being one of the multitudes of AMD trolls, I don't have much interest in PIII slot/socket converters. If you were wanting one so you can use a Tualatin, I guess you're in luck now. Enjoy!


    <i>Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.</i>
  20. I would rather have a nice amd 1.4ghz tbird and a good mobo for the same price, thanks.

    "The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
    No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
  21. Hey cool, I just became an "enthusiast."

    <i>Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.</i>
  22. Face it, dude, Intel sucks! Keep talkin' smack about AMD/VIA. No one's listening!
  23. Wow that sure sounds troll like there.

    -Spuddy

    <font color=red>Being Evil Is Good. Cause I Can Be A Prick And Get Away With It.</font color=red> :lol:
  24. For once I agree with spuddy, intel does not suck, the current p4 sucks, but intel as a whole has done alot of good things for the semiconductor industry.

    "The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
    No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
  25. Well, i upgraded a Asus socket 7 mb with a Powerleap cpu\combo and was trilled by the power gain. Also very fast to do since no other pc parts were touched. However, it is true that if i had done my math, i would have seen that for the same price i could have upgraded the board\cpu and some.
    The Powerleap is good nonetheless for a quick upgrade for perhaps those who don't want to tear apart a pc.
  26. Quote:

    And you didn't start the thread, unless you also go by AMDMeltdown. I don't hate teenagers, by the way, I just like to give them a hard time.

    Ohh yeah, I didn't hehe.

    AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
  27. Quote:
    the 1.2 tualatin blows away others in terms of overclocking and stability

    Actually, quite a lot of people have been able to get AMD 1.2GHz CPUs to 1.6GHz. Plus, it's long been known that Athlons are better overclockers, simply because of the ability to change the multiplier. And of course, now that Athlon XP's can perform at 1.6GHz <i>in spec</i>, and overclock even higher, Tualatins just don't hold a candle. :lol:

    As far as stability goes, the AMD platform is perfectly stable with the right motherboard. It just takes rather more competence, which, understandably, you might not have. Or perhaps you just can't admit that it's a stable platform. :tongue:

    Of course the Tualatin consumes much less power, but that's its only real claim to fame.

    Kelledin
    <A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/" target="_new">LFS</A>: "You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn; you just hack your distro all day long."
  28. You are right on the money.

    The Athlon system connected to my keyboard is starting to age, being almost 1 year old now. It was my first AMD based computer, and I had my concerns with VIA. I bought the best motherboard available at the time (Abit KT7-RAID), and this thing has been rock solid. Just as stable as my other 3 Intel machines (even more so then my Intel based Compac laptop and docking station).

    It did take some work to get there, proper drivers for the AGP and USB. These were troublesome areas, but were quickly and easily corrected.

    Soon I will replace my sons Celeron 450. Based on todays prices, AMD will be my choice. So will VIA, as I will probably go the KT-266a route, as these boards are much less expensive then the nForce based boards.

    AMDMeltDown, stop whining already. AMD and VIA have proven themselves with their latest products and pricings. They are not going away. They will continue to eat into Intels marketshare. This is simply business. Give it up. Find a nice girl. They are more fun to love then a processor chip company.

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  29. Jbigg, when you add the cost of an additional soundcard to the price of the kt266a mobos the nforce starts to look attractive price wise.

    "The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
    No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
  30. News flash, there may not be a tualatin in 6 months (or so). Socket 370 is going bye-bye. Willamette becomes the new Celeron and Northwood pulls out as the P4. No reason for Intel to maintain another architecture. Check the Intel roadmaps for more details!

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  31. Not an issue for you or the product, but I do find it ironic that it proudly proclaims support for SMP, when the seller will only sell one per customer....

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  32. Why do you hate AMD so much? Do you work for Intel? If not then you have a serious problem. I cant understand why someone will post hundreds of bullshit posts to support something which will give him nothing in return.
    You need to find something more interesting to fill your life :)
    Take care!
  33. Quote:
    Why do you hate AMD so much?

    He's a troll
    Quote:
    Do you work for Intel?

    He's 14
    Quote:
    I cant understand why someone will post hundreds of bullshit posts

    He's a troll, he's 14
    Quote:
    You need to find something more interesting to fill your life

    In other words stop posting.

    :smile:

    <font color=green><b>AMD</b></font color=green> 'cos my computers worth it!
  34. is it possible???

    assisting VRM specs is okay, but how can you change the clocking mechanism? i said in one of my earlier posts that therotically it is possible to make a clock level shifter to accomodate the new differential clocking mechanism on the Tualatins, it seems Powerleap has done it! But at $170 I would rather go for a new board for it!

    I still doubt it, will it support 512k cache processors? it doesnt say so! I must see it before.

    <font color=red>No system is fool-proof. Fools are Ingenious!</font color=red>
  35. That's beautiful! In six months or so, the only Intel processor worth buying will no longer be available. Intel is essentially telling it's customers that they must buy junk.

    * Pentium 4 is a overclocked Cyrix processor *
  36. <font color=blue>"Jbigg, when you add the cost of an additional soundcard to the price of the kt266a mobos the nforce starts to look attractive price wise."</font color=blue>

    It depends. My son already has a sound card (SB 16 PCI) connected to fair speakers. Since this is good enough for us, the extra cost of the nForce is not justified. The extra abilities of the nForce sound (or SB Audigy) would be lost without an excellent speaker system. In fact, the crappy AC97 sound systems on most boards would suffice for us.

    But for the hardcore gamer, the nForce does look attractive.


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  37. Wow connie how un-nice to have you back.

    -Spuddy

    <font color=red>Being Evil Is Good. Cause I Can Be A Prick And Get Away With It.</font color=red> :lol:
  38. hmmmm

    an interesting upgrade path, specially for those that dont want to (or cant be bothered) doing a more thourough system upgrade...

    probably a bit pricey though, unless it was rolled into some 'allround upgrade package'

    we will see how popular it is

    Excuse me for a moment. I need to drive my ergonomic wheely chair over a sheet of bubble wrap!
  39. A sb16??????? I have to say, as a gamer and sound freak that soundcard is not doing even 9 dollar [-peep-] speakers justice, it has no support for any advanced game features, even if the eax sounds like crap, its still there. Perhaps you should spring for a sblive for 2995 heh.

    "The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
    No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
  40. What after 6 months???

    I guess intel went for the differential clock for Tualatin so that they can get to 200 MHz FSB! They cant dump their best processor with still some juice (already its running at 1.6 GHz overclocked! <b>and</b> performing much much better than the P4 at any speed!!), if they do... they are crazy!

    <font color=red>No system is fool-proof. Fools are Ingenious!</font color=red>
  41. The Athlon system I built last year has a SB Live!, which cost me $69.95 a year ago. But, I am connected to 2 80 watt speakers, so I cannot take advantage of the new sound card. I have thought about getting a 5 speaker system, but it is just not that important to me.

    When I upgrade my sons PC, if I get a Shuttle 266a MB, for $85, comparing to the $187 of the MSI, is quite a savings, even if it means continuing to use his SB 16 PCI. But, since his PC is adequate for now, we will wait till the Spring to see how prices change, and how hardware develops.

    I always have felt that you upgrade now, never mind what is around the corner, for there is always something greater just around the corner. But right now there is too much new promise "around the corner" in Northwood (have my doubts), Thourougbred, and Hammer all due out within 6 months of each other. Since my sons PC is adequate, I will play the waiting game for the reviews and comparisons.

    Besides, my son just got Xbox and Gamecube. I think he may be neglecting his PC for some time to come......

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  42. i have a 815EP on my RIG2-setup, and it has O/B soundcard 4 channels even, thogh i bought an aditional soundcard with digital out as i want to use the PC to copy songs into my minidisc.

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  43. "girish said:

    assisting VRM specs is okay, but how can you change the clocking mechanism? i said in one of my earlier posts that therotically it is possible to make a clock level shifter to accomodate the new differential clocking mechanism on the Tualatins, it seems Powerleap has done it! But at $170 I would rather go for a new board for it!

    I still doubt it, will it support 512k cache processors? it doesnt say so! I must see it before."

    --------

    The slockets have onboard v8.5 VRMs, they plug into a drive power connector.

    "clocking mechanism"??? intel chips have mixed multipliers... all they do is multiply the FSB speed... nothing changes in that department.

    The only other difference is the voltage of the AGTL+ bus. It has been dropped from 1.50v to 1.25v and the slockets provide for this as well.

    The $170 includes a Celeron 1.2GHz, heatsink, and fan.

    Yes it supports the Tualatin-S (512k) processors, and yes it supports them in SMP.

    Take a small business (like the one I work for) as an example. You have a bunch of older Dell i440BX based systems with various older PIIs and PIIIs. No sound, onboard video... just fine for working in Word, Excell, etc. Now people start to do more work in Publisher, Illustrator, Acrobat, the company database grows, etc, and the older PII and PIII systems aren't quite cutting it anymore. So the upgrade choices are either get new Celery-1.1GHz machines (nearly $1000 from Dell, with 3yr NBD warranty and no monitor) or spend $170 on the PowerLeap/Celery 1.2GHz. Since the older PII/PIII systems all work fine and have decent HDs, 256+ ram, and good monitors the PowerLeap slockets would be the way to go.

    Have a look at this review (<A HREF="http://www.roberthancock.com/dell/plip3t/" target="_new">http://www.roberthancock.com/dell/plip3t/</A>) - that system was originally a PII-350 and now beats a P4 1.4GHz in Sandra CPU and Multimedia benchmarks.

    Obviously if you want to play the newest 3D games then you're better off with a new system, but if you're only using office apps then it is a great upgrade option.

    - JW
  44. Clocking mechanism: Electrically the clock is different - a differential clock as opposed to single ended clock. It is supposed to minimise the EMI and track reactance so that higher speeds could be reached. FSB was the bottleneck till now, with differential clock this neck has been pushed up! Lower voltage will assist this. 0.13u switchover has pushed the core speed limits still farther, so it makes sense to assist it with increased FSB, that the multiplier codes are running out (its still a 4 bit value, and of course you can use lower values for higher multiplier as AMD does) - and it is reflected already by running 1.2 GHz chips at 1.6 or thereabouts.

    I guess what Powerleap has done is shifted the level of the clock supplied by the motherboard lower below the ground so that the Tualatin can assert it, thats all! A FCPGA2 processor clock is 1.25V differential while others have single ended clock of 2.5V.

    BTW Celeron 800 MHz + HSF + Adapter means the adapter will cost about more than a 100 dollars! A bit too high especially when you consider a new board will cost less than that!

    Maybe people like to stick to their old hardware, even I have retained my 4-5 BX boards. I probably wont get any Powerleap in India, so I have already purchased a TUSL2-C and done with it!

    girish

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  45. Meltdown is just trying to find ways to get people on the Intel side by paying more more more!!
  46. The boards can be confusing. I'm emailing you because of the positive things you said about the Power Leap/Celeron 1.2 package.

    Mobo: BH6, rev 1.1, bios SP.
    CPU: Celeron 333 oc 475.

    Upgrade CPU:
    I was going to use a PIII, 700mhz/100FSB, slot 1, oc to 933mhz.

    Then I thought I would go to a PIII, 1G/133FSB but this would require a slotket 370/slot 1. The cost would be comparable to the Powerleap setup. I don't know what this cpu would overclock to.

    Can you offer an opinion on any of this?

    Sal Liggieri
    sligg@hotmail.com


    Sal Liggieri
    sligg@hotmail.com
  47. Well, first of all, any of these upgrades would provide more then enough power to do what you intend to do with your computer as indicated in your other posts.

    (PriceWatch prices as of the time of this post, OEM SYSTEMS DO NOT INCLUDE HEATSINKS AND FANS)

    PIII-700E @ 933 (100FSB @ 133) SECC2:
    - OEM US$100 / Retail US$160
    - Cheap
    - you have to run at 33% overclocked board which may affect stability.

    PIII-1000E (100FSB) SECC2:
    - Retail US$225
    - Expensive
    - Allows board to run non-overclocked, will probably overclock to 1.1GHz

    PIII-1000E (100FSB) FC-PGA:
    - OEM US$150 + US$30 slocket
    - Mid range price
    - Allows board to run non-overclocked, will probably overclock to 1.1GHz

    PIII-1000EB (133FSB) FC-PGA:
    - OEM US$190 / Retail US$200 + US$30 slocket
    - Expensive
    - you have to run at 33% overclocked board which may affect stability. You probably won't be able to overclock farther.

    Celeron 1200 (100FSB) FC-PGA2 w/PowerLeap slocket:
    - Retail US$190
    - Mid price range
    - Allows board to run non-overclocked, will probably overclock to 1.4GHz+. At that speed should be comparable to PIII @ 1GHz and Duron @ 1.2GHz

    Morgan/Duron 1100 + Abit KT7A:
    - OEM US$170 / Retail US$190
    - Mid price range
    - Much harder installation
    - Will probably overclock to 1.2GHz+

    Athlon XP + Asus A7V266-E:
    - OEM US$280 / Retail US$300 + DDR memory
    - Most expensive, but fastest
    - Much harder installation
    - Will probably overclock to 1.8GHz+
    - Overkill for what you want to do.

    So, in my opinion, the Celeron 1.2GHz is in a three way tie for the 2nd cheapest, and offers probably the second highest speed for your applications. I think it is the best value for your money.

    We have a bunch of Celeron 500~900MHz machines in the office, and they do just fine for Office apps, Publisher, databases, web browsing, etc. Just make sure your system has at least 256mb ram, and any of the above systems will be plenty fast for you.

    - JW
  48. Why the morgan? and why the kt7a? There are cheaper sdram boards out there than the kt7a(which is a high end mobo).
    Also the tbird is cheaper than the duron still.(last I checked).

    Also, swapping a mobo is not very difficult. Also you neglected to take into account the fact that if you get the new mobo/athlon you will STILL have the old mobo and cpu, which can be sold/givenaway as a gift or whatnot to recoup additional costs.


    "The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
    No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
  49. umm...i think im a little lost...what was this post originally about?
    its covered trolls and teens and someone being 15 and i dunno...ah well...

    I don't claim to know anything about everything, I just tell people what I know.
    -PSB
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