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November 22, 2001 5:14:50 PM

I have an Athlon 1.4GHz system. My brother's computer was broken and he didn't know what component wasn't working, so I tried his CPU in my computer. he has a 750MHz Athlon. His didn't work, so that was the problem with his computer, but that's not important. With my heatsink/fan, the heatsink came with a square of thermal compound on the bottom of the heatsink when I bought it that would touch against the chip of the processor. After taking it off, the chip made an indentation in the compound. When putting it back on, I didn't add more compound to the chip or heatsink, so I guess the leftover compound didn't make a good connection when putting the CPU back on. I turned the system on, it worked normally for 5 seconds, then shut off. I took off the heatsink and I smelled a burning smell. Is my CPU fried? Can it fry so easily? I didn't think it would make such a big difference. Putting on a heatsink with leftover thermal compound without adding more will fry the chip in 5 seconds, while just adding more will allow the system to run fine for hours? It just doesn't make sense to me because even without adding more thermal compound, shouldn't the heatsink make good enough contact to run for a while? I would be grateful if someone could shed some light on how easily a CPU is burned and if you even think my CPU is really burned after being turned on for a mere 5 seconds.

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Anonymous
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November 22, 2001 5:33:42 PM

burning? hmmm

ive installed like 20+ amd processor over the past year
never fried one..
hmmm test ur cpu in his pc?

--call it what you wish, with this machine I can make mercury flow in 3 directions at once--
November 22, 2001 5:50:24 PM

without a doubt your cpu is toast, 2 dead cpus to be exact! now all you have to do is send it back it to AMD.

don't worry thousands of AMD users are in your boat.

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
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November 22, 2001 5:55:47 PM

lats just hope your "boat" is sinking..*crosses his fingers*

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November 22, 2001 9:24:33 PM

oh dear. another that doesnt follow instructions.

those thermal pads attach to the cheaper heatsinks are for ONE USE ONLY.
u put it on, then the heat from the cpu melts it into place, supposedly giving good contact.

if you take the HSF off, you have to remove that gunk and use thermal paste. (i reccomend thermal paste anyway. much better than stupid pads.

so YES. your cpu is fried. next time THINK before u do something.
if the pad had a significant cpu die imprint when u removed it... did u think you could fit it back exactly? and what would happen if that wasnt the case?

its all about contact!
when u put it back on i bet it wasnt in the same position. so it was out of place, and quite possibly not in contact with the core AT ALL.

no wonder it fried.

i also believe those phase change compounds only work once anyway, so even if u did manage to fit it back on exactly it would be unlikely to melt and form a second seal.


Why do i feel like the lone sane voice in the mental assylum?
November 23, 2001 4:29:47 AM

How much did AMDMeltdown pay you to start this thread?

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November 23, 2001 4:54:58 AM

Amd chips can burn in a fraction of a second. Intel chips have thermal protection and are MUCH harder to burn.

AMD = Anger Management Disorder
November 23, 2001 4:58:48 AM

LoLz, but anyways..I myself used a one of those HSF's, with the goo already on it, on my 1ghz Tbird and i took it off the cpu to transfer the cpu onto another board (when i upgraded the cpu on my current board) and used the same HSF. And uhmmm..it fried!...just kidding..worked like usual, the temps were the same and speed was just as fast. So whatever happened to your cpu, uhmm, i have no clue; maybe AMDMELTDOWN touched it
November 23, 2001 5:26:23 AM

intel cpu's are "dummy-proof". must not have too much confidence in your own decisions if you have to pay extra money for a product you know you won't screw up because of ignorant actions on your part.

well if luck is a lady, it explains why i have no luck :frown:
November 23, 2001 6:15:45 AM

Yes, it is that easy. But it is better than pentium 4 - all you have to do is to connect AGP vga to it (other than Riva TNT M64) -and -KABOOM- no more pentium 4 , no more new graphic board.
I can't find the link ,sorry...
November 23, 2001 6:19:13 AM

"intel cpu's are "dummy-proof". must not have too much confidence in your own decisions if you have to pay extra money for a product you know you won't screw up because of ignorant actions on your part."

newsflash: AMD is trying to make all their new cpus "dummy-proof" for all you dumb AMDtoelickers! to bad they're too stupid to pull that off!

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
November 23, 2001 9:02:47 AM

Meltdown, they went to your school of heatsink application, and vowed not to let ignorants like you ruin their good name.

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November 23, 2001 9:03:51 AM

ON topic. I dont think his cpu is fried, he should remove the tim and put heatsink goo on it. Then reseat and try again.




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Anonymous
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November 23, 2001 10:36:26 AM

It was on Vans hardware.. some obscure article about 3v and 1.5 agp cards on the i845.
Here is the article. Dont get excited. Read the follow up as well.
<A HREF="http://www.vanshardware.com/articles/2001/october/01102..." target="_new">Severe Interoperability Problems with Intel Chipsets: How to Fry Your i845 Motherboard</A>

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November 23, 2001 2:55:04 PM

I don't think so mordy..

yet more anti-intel fud on this message board

AMD = Anger Management Disorder
November 23, 2001 2:55:14 PM

why didn't you post the follow up? AMDroids love to read initial anti-Intel rumors, here's the
<A HREF="http://www.vanshardware.com/articles/2001/november/0111..." target="_new">Follow up</A>

<i>"The only graphics boards on which we have seen a problem with i845 and i850 motherboards are some old SIS based graphic cards, on which the Vref generation signal for 1.5 volt was not properly implemented. It is not due to the SIS graphics chipset, but to a mistake in the board design made by some boards manufacturers, so it doesn't mean one must ban SIS based graphics boards, but only some improper boards manufacturing."</i>

man, if I were'nt here this would be the best breeding grounds from AMDpuppies!


"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
November 23, 2001 3:49:59 PM

Yeah, I also noticed that when reading the story a week ago. BIG misleading headline. The guy posts a lot of *bullshit* as if it's factual information without confirming the rumours first. FIRST he posts the story, THEN he makes the reseach. One has the nasty feeling, that had it been a rumour involving AMD, he probably wouldn't have posted it at all.

Furhermore he keeps the headline for weeks, perfectly aware that most people only read the headline. There is NO information on the frontpage that kills the rumour, you have to dig into the update link.

The guy must be seriously hit on the AMD frying issue, to be doing what he's doing.
November 23, 2001 4:23:08 PM

Of course, there's the <A HREF="http://www.hardtecs4u.com/reviews/2001/agp4x_e/" target="_new">real, professional follow-up...</A>

Oops, you just flat can't use a 3.3V AGP2x card there!

This bit is especially interesting:

Quote:

let's have one more closer look on the graphic boards known or suspected to be concerned by this issue:

Riva TNT2 (Pro, Ultra)
GeForce256 DDR
GeForce2 Pro
GeForce2 Ultra

Oops, a Hercules GeForce2 Pro or an Asus V7700 may or may not fry your precious P4 system, <b>depending on the batch it comes from!</b>

There's no telling what other boards will screw your system...and it may differ even from different batches of the same model. To test this out without risking your parts, you must be armed with a multimeter and the knowledge to use it. I'm sure every average Joe has that, eh? :tongue:

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To actually know about all this, people apparently have to listen to someone other than Intel lapdogs--they spend their lives in denial, trying to cover up the deficiencies of Intel platforms. Any other facts you'd like to suppress? :wink:
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Kelledin
<A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/" target="_new">LFS</A>: "You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn; you just hack your distro all day long."
November 23, 2001 7:52:03 PM

If you read the "real, professional follow-up" you'll find out that this is a problem caused by graphics card manufactures, which is not complying with Intel's AGP specification (3.3V on AGP 4x is illegal, but 1.5V on AGP 1x and AGP 2x is perfectly legal). All REAL AGP 4x should operate on 1.5 V, so if you use a REAL AGP 4x you don't have any problems whatsoever. Both the 845 and 850 chipsets only supports 1.5V.

If the mobo uses the Universal AGP socket you are allowed to physically insert cards at AGP 1x, AGP 2x and AGP 4x. The idea is brilliant because it gives you the option of using an older graphics card as long as it has an operational voltage of 1.5V (I don’t have any idea whether this is common or not). The problem arises when graphic card manufacturers doesn't comply to Intel’s AGP specifications, thus giving the mobo wrong information about the cards characteristics. (Typically letting the mobo believe that it’s a 1.5V when it’s actually a 3.3V)

Naturally you could always blame Intel for having the confidence that other hardware manufacturers were able to do their job just as professionally as Intel.
November 23, 2001 8:04:28 PM

True, I just thought I'd rattle Meltdown's cage. Claiming the problem only existed for a few reclusive no-name cards is clearly BS, or at the very least, ill-researched (this is Van Smith's specialty). The non-VansHardware article was posted here a few weeks ago.

Ironically, I might have one of these out-of-spec video cards (an old Hercules GeForce DDR). Hasn't given me grief, but I don't think I'll be cramming it in an i845/i850 board. :wink:

Kelledin
<A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/" target="_new">LFS</A>: "You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn; you just hack your distro all day long."
November 23, 2001 10:21:44 PM

Pardon my ignorance, but why should all graphics card manufacturers take pains to comply with Intel's specs when not all motherboards are Intels? Apparently, the voltage issue doesn't affect AMD chipsets, (or, presumably, pre-845 Intel chipsets) and one can make the obvious assumption that the 3.3V must be cheaper to produce or something, hence their continuing production of such cards after Intel's specification went out. To cop a phrase uttered previously, I bet if AMD made such a decree to video card manufacturers, the Intel-boosters on the board would be poo-pooing their delusions of grandeur and letting loose with the "I-told-you-so's" when the same issue hit their boards.
November 24, 2001 8:34:11 AM

"take pains" ????

Come on, first of all Intel is responsible for the AGP specification; they made it. Secondly, they make some VERY simple rules for the benefit of the end-user, but some sloppy graphic card manufactures don't do their part of the job. I my opinion you can't blame Intel for this, other than having a naive faith in the graphic cards manufactures.

This is a very common problem when dealing with interfaces: Both parts on the interface must of course comply to specifications, otherwise things will never work.
November 24, 2001 10:08:33 AM

Looks like a LONG list of non compliance, tell me, if it were videocard manufacturers not following the agp spec, how come it only affects certain intel boards? Shouldnt it be an issue for all spec following agp boards?

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November 24, 2001 2:49:20 PM

No, the 845 and 850 chipset both supports only 1.5V graphic AGP cards, while most other older chipsets supports both 1.5V and 3.3V (including Intels own famous 440BX chipset). So for the latter it doesn't matter if AGP boards are not follwing the specification, i.e letting the chipset believe it's a 1.5V when it's really a 3.3V. This is why the problem is only seen on mobo's using the 845 and 850 chipsets.

The safe thing should be to go for an AGP 4x card which is always 1.5V, but as "hardtecs4u" state:

<i><font color=red>"some graphic boards clearly sold as "AGP 4x" are definitely non-AGP 4x, scrapping themselves and the respective motherboard when plugged into an i845 or i850 board and moreover shouldn't be named "AGP 4x" at all as they don't master AGP 4x mode!"</font color=red></i>

Difficult to do anything about frivolous graphic card manufactures who can't do a decent job.

I would recommend that Intel either made a positive list of safe AGP cards (REAL AGP 4x) or a black list of cards to avoid. I would also advice people which owns such crap boards to demand an upgrade of the AGP card or a complete new one that adheres to the AGP standard.
November 24, 2001 8:42:03 PM

>True, I just thought I'd rattle Meltdown's cage.

where you talking out of your a$$ again, kelledin? don't thought, THINK!!!

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
November 24, 2001 9:29:30 PM

It's interesting to see you go blaming this incompatibility on other manufacturers. Even though it <i>is</i> the fault of other manufacturers, it's funny to see you rush to defend Intel while blaming AMD for incompatibilities which are, likewise, certainly not their fault. Double standard, anyone?

You are as much a lemming/puppy/lapdog/zealot as any AMD fan you care to name. Face it, Intel is no better off than AMD when it comes to compatibility.

Oh, what? Are you fixing to break your rusty cage and run? :wink:

Kelledin
<A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/" target="_new">LFS</A>: "You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn; you just hack your distro all day long."

P.S. Johnny Cash, eat your heart out.
November 24, 2001 9:33:54 PM

let me get this straight... Some video cards don't work properly with intel's board = intel's fault.

Some power supplies don't work well with amd chips/boards = ps manufacturer's fault.

wow the logic on this board makes alot of sense

AMD = Anger Management Disorder
November 24, 2001 9:44:17 PM

Scroll up; I already acknowledged that the more serious 3.3V issue is the fault of graphics board manufacturers. It's just funny because Intel zealots like blaming AMD for faulty power supplies, crappy motherboard manufacturers, etc.

Then there's you, who allegedly let his Athlon burn his room down as he stood there. I'm not sure what to make of you yet.

Kelledin
<A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/" target="_new">LFS</A>: "You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn; you just hack your distro all day long."
November 24, 2001 11:22:57 PM

Do a poll.

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November 24, 2001 11:57:02 PM

Give the people what they want.

Poll!

:smile:

:tongue: Have you ever tried cooking an egg on your HSF? Tasty. :tongue:
November 25, 2001 12:28:40 AM

Nope. I don’t choose to lock up with anybody on this forum. It is just interesting to see some posters attack each other personally and get off subject at hand. I enjoyed Kelledin’s post. It was not really blood letting just a simple bump

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November 25, 2001 8:35:18 AM

Kelledin was NOT saying it was intels fault, he was poinitng out how meltdown will rush to say it wasnt intels faULT, WHILE THE SAME KINDS OF ERRORS HE BLAMES AMD FOR.

Kelledin posts enlightened flames AND ONLY on known serious trolls. I like his posts.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
November 25, 2001 2:54:03 PM

Forgive me if I'm rather slow on this point...it's Sunday morning, so sue me. :tongue:

what should the poll cover?

1. Who's the worst troll/zealot?
2. Which CPU has more compatibility issues?
3. What should we make of Intel_Inside (though I remember posting a caning poll on that point)?
4. Whose fault is the 3.3V AGP issue (though I think we've established that it's not Intel's fault)?
5. Are my flames really enlightened? (Thanx Matisaro :smile: )

Wow, it's a poll on what the poll should cover.

Kelledin
<A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/" target="_new">LFS</A>: "You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn; you just hack your distro all day long."
November 25, 2001 4:23:41 PM

1. Who's the worst troll/zealot?

Matisaro

2. Which CPU has more compatibility issues?

Neither, they both have some motherboard problems though

3. What should we make of Intel_Inside (though I remember posting a caning poll on that point)?

The entire cpu burning post was a joke, everything else isn't

4. Whose fault is the 3.3V AGP issue (though I think we've established that it's not Intel's fault)?

The graphics card makers

5. Are my flames really enlightened? (Thanx Matisaro )

There's no such thing as enlightened flaming

AMD = Anger Management Disorder
November 25, 2001 10:17:52 PM

LOL LOL

LOL

intel inside has offocially made me the worst troll on the forums lol!

::is the king troll::


Sorry fugger and meltdown, I am better than you according to intel inside(whos amd problems apprently caused the three mile island disaster if you believe his origional post.)

Thanks for the recognition Intel.



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No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
November 25, 2001 10:50:31 PM

no problem

now run along little troll

AMD = Anger Management Disorder
November 25, 2001 11:11:59 PM

I think I will follow in the grave footsteps of my fearless leader Matisaro.
I will strive to be troll #2 - his/her right-hand man.

now tell me, how can I, a mere interested person, possibly annoy and incite verbal abuse from people otherwise calm and collected... I must know.

nothing is too much to expect
- I will set aside all common sense.
- I will construct fact from my own opininos.
- I will never let sensibility come between me and a good flame.
- I won't conform to the public ideals EVEN if they are correct.
- and I solemnly promise to never ever say anything to suggest that my views are anything less than one-eyed and argumentative.

as a sign of my enduring resolution to troll in all it's inconsistency.
I take this oath
My opinions will forever be as open-ended as possible, and my opinions will sway one way or the other depending on the topic being trolled, and i will never stick to fact should a manufactured lie better suit my needs for securing a win in any argument. May I truly troll. amen

balzi

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November 25, 2001 11:18:14 PM

LoL, thats my line.

Its a good thing no one takes you or your posts seriously, if you were a person with any good standing here I would be offended by your posts, but you are a known troll like meltdown(and your excuse for the troll flaming you did in your first weeks here being in jest, is utter bs), so you sir, are the one who should be running along.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
November 25, 2001 11:19:25 PM

LoL, the order of the troll.

Alas I cannot lead you, for I strive not to have any of the afformentioned qualities, however, meltdown, or fugger, or our fine friend intel_inside could handily lead your band of merry brothers.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
November 26, 2001 12:49:43 AM

RoFL, maybe I should shoot for "enlightened troll?" (j/k)

LoLoL

The troll accusation is rich coming from intel_inside! :lol: 

Kelledin
<A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/" target="_new">LFS</A>: "You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn; you just hack your distro all day long."
November 26, 2001 1:03:03 AM

Matisaro.. the amount of conflicts and flamebaiting you cause on this board is much higher than I. Just because you may post something informative every so often does not mean you don't cause your fair share of trouble. Therefore you attain the status of a rather clever troll.

AMD = Anger Management Disorder
November 26, 2001 1:05:50 AM

Very well, post a link to a conflict that Matisaro has instigated in the past month. :tongue:

Kelledin
<A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/" target="_new">LFS</A>: "You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn; you just hack your distro all day long."
November 26, 2001 1:22:44 AM

lol, Intel_inside, everyone here agrees you are a troll (except for AMDMeltdown and Fugger, who are your fellow trolls). On the other hand, Matisaro is a very intelligent poster who actually writes legimate opinions and comments. Can you claim you do that?

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November 26, 2001 1:38:26 AM

I must say Intel Inside is a troll, Fugger and AMDMelt down of course, and I think Matisaro is border line because he tries to hard to defend AMD all the time like its a member of his family. He does make sense though, I'll give him that. On the other hand I vote for Fat Burger, AMD man and Rayston as the most Anti-Trolls. In my opinion, they have opinions but are always open for debate. No personal attacks, no non sense posts. Good job! To bad more of us aren't like them. Maybe we could rid the forums of flames and Flamebait, and idiots, and... I could keep going on forever. :smile:

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November 26, 2001 3:07:35 AM

your all trolls i tell ya!
nerrnie nerrnie nerrnie!!!

hey. can i be one too?
hold on...

burning AGP cards are ALL intels fault!
dodgey mobo's, via incompatibilites, and moron HSF installers are all AMD's fault!

have i forgotten anything?

Excuse me for a moment. I need to drive my ergonomic wheely chair over a sheet of bubble wrap!
November 26, 2001 4:15:23 AM

lhgpoobaa, Don't forget ATI and Nvidia.

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November 26, 2001 6:02:10 AM

Contextually shouldn’t it be Trawls, not Trolls, since Trawling is what the Trolls do. They seek out the Lemmings, who come to this forum to seek guidance, and try to lead them astray with misinformation or irrelevant information. Eh, Trolls is more fitting. I definitely think goading is a healthy part of these boards, but when it involves a thread or post created by an innocent, a poster who’s knowledge is insufficient to know better, and it gets in the way of them solving their problem, its Trolling. I mean hell, even the most healthy society needs it heretics, but when they run around the neighborhood tossing their feces at the town folk, they need to be tossed into the sanitarium. If there is any honor among Trolls, they’ll keep their Trawling out of the problem solving threads.
November 27, 2001 4:18:34 AM

Thanks amd_man, I apologize for being so hard on you in the best graphics card for 150$ thread!

I have never flamed anyone asking for general help, and while I think the athlon is the best cpu right now, and AMD is a great company(I happen to work for) I would like to consider myself objective when it comes to technical matters.

Intel inside calling me a troll his hilarious though, thats like meltdown calling someone a troll.


PS: You dont have to bait a troll, they come out on their own intel_inside, so how am I flamebaiting trolls?

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
November 27, 2001 5:57:44 AM

This is why I firmly support any reading programs for kids and adults. That way people have the ability to at least read the instructions.

It's not your fault that the CPU burned up. Sue your local school for not teaching you to read.

Just kidding, but I thought I'd get the trolls to stop yelling at each other and get back on topic. After all you just burned up two processors in one day? Not an easy thing to do. I once placed a celeron hsf on a duron and even that couldn't get the cpu to burn up. Overheated though.

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November 27, 2001 5:59:34 AM

Have you seen the Harry Potter movie? Yeah, me either, but everytime I think of you I think of that big troll...

You're not the only one though. I need lord of the rings to come out so that I can have more trolls to identify with you fanatics...

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