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November 28, 2001 1:10:29 AM

Here in the lab I help run, our admin system just up and died a painful and firey death. The 1.3 GHz Athlon gave out, brining the class I was trying to teach to a screeching halt. Not a very impressive thing to do before a bunch of people trying to learn the fundamentals of e-mail and the like. Nothing really sends that fear-factor into computer newbies than watching a system up and die.

Not so ironically, all the P3 and P4 systems are doing great, rocking along with a swiftness that the attendees have come to expect.

But at least I no longer have to worry about wether or not the Athlon will die, since it just did.

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November 28, 2001 1:16:52 AM

well what happened?
details would be appreciated

Excuse me for a moment. I need to drive my ergonomic wheely chair over a sheet of bubble wrap!
November 28, 2001 1:21:22 AM

Sounds like the monkeys-erm, YOUNG LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, (pardon me) were up to some hijinks behind the good profs back and knocked the HSF loose.

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Anonymous
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November 28, 2001 1:48:41 AM

most of the students are middle-aged and older, with very little computer experience. They've mostly either bought a new system or have been given one so that they can use the internet to keep in better contact with other famliy members. I highly doubt any of them had any dubious intentions.

The system in question had been a pain since the day we got it. Ironically, we got an almost identical (as far as it could be) system with a 1.5GHz P4 system, and it is still humming along just fine. Both systems were purchased direct from IBM by our corporate office (I cannot name the company I work for, as many are unable to do so). Same video, same ram, same drives, same everything that can be the same. Quite simply, the AMD system sucked rocks from day one. Crashed a lot, random errors, applications dying at random... fun stuff like that. I don't exactly have time to troubleshoot that kind of stuff in the middle of a class on "Intermediate MS Word 2000", you know what I mean?
November 28, 2001 2:00:37 AM

thats very unfortunate...
my athlon is as stable as a rock.
course my is NOT an OEM system.

dislike prebuilt ones... of any kind. so hard to service or upgrade... or troubleshoot for that matter.

my bet is that they did a crap job of putting the heatsink on in the first place... thus all your problems and the final death.


Excuse me for a moment. I need to drive my ergonomic wheely chair over a sheet of bubble wrap!
November 28, 2001 2:03:21 AM

yeah I guesse maybe his OEM only has problems with setting up amd systems and not intel ones. It's too bad, an amd system would have been impressive being used in a REAL academic setting and not being overclocked to death to play quake3 faster. I guesse maybe it's just not cut out for productive use yet.

AMD = Anger Management Disorder
November 28, 2001 2:09:00 AM

Forgive me, I wasn't accusing anyone of misdeeds. I had normal roughhousing in mind! ;)  (just kiddin' anyway) Actually, all else being identical, it sounds to me like it was simply a case of a faulty component in there somewhere. Possibly the heatsink fan wasn't working properly, causing the Athlon to overheat. As I'm sure you know, Athlons don't have any built-in thermal protection as do the Pentiums. With proper cooling though, There shouldn't be any problems. I'm using a 1.2 Athlon now and the poor thing gets seriously physically abused. The problems I've had have been related to defects in other components such as PCI cards and so forth. A dud is always a possibility.

Yippeekiiaayyy yippeekiioohhh Ghost rabbits in the sky.
November 28, 2001 2:57:46 AM

lol! here we go. Kelledin, why were you looking up his name at ohio university? were you trying to get an email address or maybe a phone number? Maybe the guy is smart and didn't post his real name here. Run along little troll....

AMD = Anger Management Disorder
November 28, 2001 3:03:38 AM

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Maybe the guy is smart and didn't post his real name here.

Or maybe he <A HREF="http://kelledin.tripod.com/filburn.jpg" target="_new">did.</A>

This is called a <b>background check,</b> little troll. I did it because the post sounded suspiciously similar to the initial post(s) of a certain one or two Intel zealots who shall remain nameless.

(Sorry if tripod bitches at you for this one, people...I just don't care enough to get a better file dumping ground. Those of you with Linux experience might identify the browser as Konqueror.)

Kelledin
<A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/" target="_new">LFS</A>: "You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn; you just hack your distro all day long."

P.S. You weren't any smarter when you originally registered your handle, remember?
November 28, 2001 3:23:05 AM

yeah I unfortunenatly led a few rampaging amd zealots to some poor guy's webpage

AMD = Anger Management Disorder
November 28, 2001 3:33:06 AM

Without doing testing to find the source of the problem, I don't think you can come to any conclusions about why that system failed. You imply that it had something to do with it having an AMD processor, but I don't think you can say for sure what was going on. I do like the little editorial touches, though ...

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Not so ironically, all the P3 and P4 systems are doing great, rocking along with a swiftness that the attendees have come to expect.

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Ironically, we got an almost identical (as far as it could be) system with a 1.5GHz P4 system, and it is still humming along just fine.

Nope, no bias here ...

<i>Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.</i>
November 28, 2001 3:38:08 AM

And that guy just happened to have a personal comment about a "troll project" he was trying on these boards? :tongue:

Just some poor guy, ja...

Kelledin
<A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/" target="_new">LFS</A>: "You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn; you just hack your distro all day long."
November 28, 2001 4:01:21 AM

Yes you are a rather poor guy.Aren't you.
Anonymous
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November 28, 2001 12:37:27 PM

well, my friend, it is people like you that really make the readers of various web-boards look really sad. For one, I do not work at OU, I did attend OU, but that was a while ago. And I indeed did NOT use my real name, with the exception of my first name. And the last name I used is just a play on my actual last name. Why you feel the need to debunk my post is quite beyond me.

I was merely sharing my experience regarding two systems, one of which is now dead. I was able to look at the heatsink this morning, and it appears fine. It may well be that the chip was just a dud, but it does not erase the fact that the Intel system is still running fine, and I will now be using it for the class I teach today (the joys of Beginning Office 2000).
Anonymous
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November 28, 2001 12:44:28 PM

I didn't mean for there to be any sort of "bias"... just an observation as to the state of the systems I have to use in the classroom. I happen to have a perfectly fine K6-2 500 system at home that I built a while ago, and it is fine. Perhaps I've just had too many bad experiences with Athlon systems. When they run fine, they are an excellent proc. But the system I was talking about in the original post here was never a good system. And now I don't have to worry about it, because its dead, and I am not responsible for having it fixed or replaced. That's why I'm an instructor, and not in the corporate office.

Again, it may well be that this system was indeed just a dud from the beginning. There are no apparent signs of heat death, and the other components seem to be fine.
November 28, 2001 12:49:36 PM

Intel_inside, I would appreciate if you stopped using my lines. Because if you taint them with your air of stupidity I can never use them in good concience again.

Run along now.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
November 28, 2001 2:52:39 PM

Ermmmm, if there are no apparent signs of heat death, why did you say it died a "fiery death"?

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Anonymous
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November 28, 2001 3:42:28 PM

oh, sorry about that: more of a color comment - kind of like I envisioned the sysetm burning somewhere in hell for performing so poorly. Kind of like the term "crash and burn"... it definitely crashed, and never rebooted again. MB is fine, proc is dead. They came and took it away over lunch, so I can't look into anymore. I now wait to see what it will be replaced with.
November 28, 2001 3:53:01 PM

I understand. Well, I certainly am NO kind of computer expert or anything, but it seems to me that whatever the problem was, it most likely wasn't related to the CPU. Kepp us updated if you find out what went wrong! I'm curious to find out!

Yippeekiiaayyy yippeekiioohhh Ghost rabbits in the sky.
Anonymous
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November 28, 2001 4:20:12 PM

I'll call the corp IT guy (he's a friend of mine), and see if he's got an extra proc he can pop into the system. We might be sending it back to IBM if its still covered by the warranty (which I think it should be). I'll try to give an update one way or another later tonight (11-28-01).
November 28, 2001 4:29:04 PM

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:eek:  death of a crappy system
Here in the lab I help run, our admin system just up and died a painful and firey death. The 1.3 GHz Athlon gave out
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I didn't mean for there to be any sort of "bias"... just an observation as to the state of the systems I have to use in the classroom.

Yea shure.No bias at all.

Well,my friend,the way you write makes me think you just another pathetic lackey and an instructor of nothing.
November 28, 2001 4:49:12 PM

If you are who you say you are, my apologies. I still have my doubts.

In case you haven't noticed, we get a lot of pure falsehood from Intel zealots here. Posts like <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&..." target="_new">this</A> have made us very suspicious of anecdotes that seem too "convenient." Your account is at the very least obviously biased towards Intel; at the worst it's an extremely unlikely scenario.

Kelledin
<A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/" target="_new">LFS</A>: "You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn; you just hack your distro all day long."
Anonymous
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November 28, 2001 5:59:47 PM

well then, I thank you for your highly insightful and intelligent compliments.

Why you even bothered to post this inflammatory nonsense is really quite beyond me. If you don't like what I had to say, I'm just not quite sure how to respond. Perhaps the truth hurts? Either way, the system is dead, and I hope to know a bit more by the end of the day.
November 28, 2001 6:11:29 PM

well you could always use the system if you have a "how to fix broken computers" class

Run along now little amd zealot, you're not wanted here...
November 28, 2001 6:24:23 PM

"Yea(sic) shure(sic).No bias at all.
Well,my friend,the way you write makes me think you just another patheic lackey and an instructor of nothing."

dude, at least he has some grammatical skills, you don't. besides this is the internet not an english class, Professor Stupid!

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
Anonymous
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November 28, 2001 6:33:03 PM

What you posted was bound to upset somebody in this forum, where people can be divided into 3 groups:
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.

The analogy is:
The Good - Those who dont care or dont have a heavy bias - Generally the more intelligent and helpful people in this forum.

The Bad and The Ugly - (In no particular order, I may add)
AMD lovers and Intel lovers.
From these 2 groups you *generally* get and endless circle of bitching about utter crap.

I will let you all make up your own minds as to which these two groups these two analogies fall under.
:D 


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Anonymous
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November 28, 2001 6:40:21 PM

Are you two like a double act? "Dumb and Dumber" or "Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum" perhaps?
You guys crack me up, keep up the good work fellas; I love a good laugh.
:D 


<font color=red>Cyrix 166 + 8MB RAM + 14k baud + 300MB HD + Lynx under MS-DOS...</font color=red><font color=green> Jealous?</font color=green>
November 28, 2001 7:48:28 PM

Disreguard the AMD lemmings on this forum, there #1 job is to discredit anything against AMD or for Intel. Your are always called a liar, and dismantled as they split hairs on every word you type. Typical lemming style. When this doesnt work, they will accuse you of being someone else posting under a new name.

Anyway, thanks for the testimonial on the "rock solid" Intel systems.
Anonymous
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November 28, 2001 8:07:43 PM

My pal, the corp. IT guy, called me back after I talked to him earlier about a little test. He had a spare athlon that was compatible with the now dead system. He plugged it in, fired it up, and everything was hunky-dory (his words, not mine). So it does indeed sound like the 1.3 GHz Athlon that was in there was a dud.

I guess now I should ask if anyone else has had similar situations with Athlons? He also verified that it was not the infamous "heat death" that many had suspected (including myself, really).
November 28, 2001 8:08:19 PM

Being defended by FUGGER is a great honor on this website, your statements must be accurate. OH THANKYOU FUGGER FOR SETTING US MINDLESS AMD ZEALOTS STRAIGHT!

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
November 28, 2001 8:49:00 PM

Thanks for the update! First off let me say that I'm not going to do the whole AMD/INTEL thing. What a waste of time! I wonder, could you get a look at that dud AMD? I kinda suspect that it's damaged in some way. Easy to do if the HSF isn't installed properly.

Yippeekiiaayyy yippeekiioohhh Ghost rabbits in the sky.
November 28, 2001 8:52:03 PM

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besides this is the internet not an english class, Professor Stupid!


Thanks to me, it can be both! :) 

Gambaman, just some advice. When buying future OEM P4 systems, try and make sure of two things (money permitting): the socket is 478, and the ram is RDRAM (DDR would be decent, in some cases. It's not currently being sold with P4s by OEMs, though).

Anyhow, everyone just ignore the thread. Friend or foe, we'll never know. Move on with your life, I'm as sick of people attacking posts like this as I am of seeing them.

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Anonymous
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November 29, 2001 1:35:25 PM

I'll see, but I think it is being sent back to IBM. Rumor has it that it'll be replaced with a Dell, which I'm not so sure I'm exactly ecstatic about. I probably won't know for sure until Monday.
November 29, 2001 2:26:55 PM

The intelligent factor on these post is about average. So expect such intelligent comments and useless, i mean, usefull information. :) 

as for your computer dieing. It could have been a hard drive crash. That is more likely then a cpu dieing. Could also be a defective motherboard. Also a bad/cheap power supply can reduce the systems overall life. A lightening strike of anykind can also reduce the hardware life. something called a "latency defect" where it takes time before it will actually die when the incident has occured.

after it crashed have you tried to run it again? And when it crashed what did it say? blue screen? lock ups? anything? that can be easily diagnosed then assuming it's the cpu and that there is no other hardware in the system that can cause a crash. wouldn't you agree?

lock ups is usually the ram or video card or a bad 4 pin power connector knocked loose, blue screens is usually a system failure which a hard drive crash can cause or a currupted file or a VIRUS, a slow down and then a lock up is the cpu.

Yes i have been exposed to all of these at least once.

at least look into the problem and not spew rhetoric and imply(not sure on spelling) that some company is bad because you assume some cpu is dead when infact you really have no clue on what happend and why it crashed.

You could have easily just said this is what happened here's the error that it displayed or what it did, can you diagnose the problem? instead of saying intel's are working great and the amd didn't. That's the biased additude you have showen which makes some people believe you are infact nothing more then a "intel zealot" whatever that means.

just some heads up criticsm on how you posted your post.

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Anonymous
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November 29, 2001 8:39:59 PM

Many thanks for the fair critique. As it seems you missed some of what I had posted earlier, and I did not elaborate in excruciating detail exactly what occurred, here is what happened: the final death occured before a class, as I was getting things ready. First, it just went bizarre, as the behavior seemed eratic, so I was getting ready to shut it down when it just went dead. No blue screen, just nothing. I tried to reboot after powering down, the motherboard/bios came up, but it could no longer identify the proc. A compatible proc was put in the board later, and it booted fine. I had actually checked the HD in another system to be sure it was still alright, and it seemed fine.

As far as bias goes, I was simply saying that two very similar systems were purchased, and the one with the Athlon is now dead, whereas the P4 is fine. Most of the systems at work are P3's and P4's. I also pointed out that one of my systems at home is a K6-2, and it is still a great system. So, really, I've no bias against AMD or for Intel, I was simply stating the facts, and the facts in this situation seemed to upset some people. I recommend that some of them not watch the news, as that too may upset them.

Either way, I thank those of you who have indeed been both considerate and helpful with this recent issue.
November 29, 2001 10:34:10 PM

Your Welcome! :lol: 

Wabbit season! Duck season! AMD season! INTEL season!
Hmmmph--whatever...
November 29, 2001 10:42:57 PM

sad aint it.
flakey chips. it happens. to all manufacturers.
remove it. replace it. get on with life.
simple.

Excuse me for a moment. I need to drive my ergonomic wheely chair over a sheet of bubble wrap!
November 29, 2001 11:29:44 PM

Dell systems are ussually really solid, probably alot more so than ibm's consumer level systems.

Run along now little amd zealot, you're not wanted here...
January 24, 2012 2:19:27 PM

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I'll see, but I think it is being sent back to IBM. Rumor has it that it'll be replaced with a Dell, which I'm not so sure I'm exactly ecstatic about. I probably won't know for sure until Monday.

Dear Anon; I'm on this forum today because I was hoping to find good info on "signs of system failure" after doing a search string of "signs of memory or motherboard failure." Got the picture? I'm using a very modest Dell w/Intel Pentium 4 CPU, 1.80GHz, 1.79GHz 1.00 GB of RAM (upgraded from the original tiny one a few years back), running Windows 2000 XP SP3. I live on this computer, have written at least 7 novels and 9 screenplays on it, done thousands of hours of research, loaded a hoard of photos and a few hundred .wav files. This dusty little puppy is now struggling with a very complex filmmaking program and, sadly, it's becoming unstable to the point that I will discontinue working on my current project until I replace the hardware. It lives in a dusty environment, has been shucked around a lot and still keeps on ticking. I'm not a pro techie but I'm not illiterate either. Nobody could have asked for a better computer for the price or even for a much higher price than I paid almost 11 years ago. If you get 'stuck with' a Dell, you may be pleasantly surprised.
January 24, 2012 3:18:21 PM

NoniB17 said:
Dear Anon; I'm on this forum today because I was hoping to find good info on "signs of system failure" after doing a search string of "signs of memory or motherboard failure." Got the picture? I'm using a very modest Dell w/Intel Pentium 4 CPU, 1.80GHz, 1.79GHz 1.00 GB of RAM (upgraded from the original tiny one a few years back), running Windows 2000 XP SP3. I live on this computer, have written at least 7 novels and 9 screenplays on it, done thousands of hours of research, loaded a hoard of photos and a few hundred .wav files. This dusty little puppy is now struggling with a very complex filmmaking program and, sadly, it's becoming unstable to the point that I will discontinue working on my current project until I replace the hardware. It lives in a dusty environment, has been shucked around a lot and still keeps on ticking. I'm not a pro techie but I'm not illiterate either. Nobody could have asked for a better computer for the price or even for a much higher price than I paid almost 11 years ago. If you get 'stuck with' a Dell, you may be pleasantly surprised.


Thread is 11 years old, doubt you will get a response now lol. :kaola: 
January 24, 2012 3:34:04 PM

majorgibly said:
Thread is 11 years old, doubt you will get a response now lol. :kaola: 

Maybe, maybe not; doesn't matter one way or the other. I just feel good when I get to ventilate once in a while...way too much time spent in my imagination, so I try to interact with real people on rare occasions...well, almost real (and sometimes way too real) :sol:  .
January 24, 2012 3:57:51 PM

NoniB17 said:
Maybe, maybe not; doesn't matter one way or the other. I just feel good when I get to ventilate once in a while...way too much time spent in my imagination, so I try to interact with real people on rare occasions...well, almost real (and sometimes way too real) :sol:  .


If that floats your boat, then go for it ;) 
January 24, 2012 4:20:36 PM

majorgibly said:
If that floats your boat, then go for it ;) 

'Eh, Major, I just checked your profile briefly and that see you have the computer I need. :-) Now I'm off to 'float' a bit in scripts.
January 24, 2012 4:22:41 PM

NoniB17 said:
'Eh, Major, I just checked your profile briefly and that see you have the computer I need. :-) Now I'm off to 'float' a bit in scripts.


No idea what you said but okay lol :) 
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