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Anonymous
October 2, 2004 2:20:28 AM

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I read on this forum that a snapshot of the original Dell setup was on the
the hardrive.
How do you access it?
I tried F11 from bootup but get keyboard error.
Please advise,
Gary

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Anonymous
October 2, 2004 2:45:56 AM

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it is a feature of very recent production only. How old is your computer?

"Gary Avrett" <designer852@sbcglobal.net_nospam> wrote in message
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>I read on this forum that a snapshot of the original Dell setup was on the
>the hardrive.
> How do you access it?
> I tried F11 from bootup but get keyboard error.
> Please advise,
> Gary
>
Anonymous
October 2, 2004 11:37:58 AM

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"WSZsr" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> it is a feature of very recent production only. How old is your computer?
>

Yeah I'd be interested to know how to access this...........I deleted the
original c: paritition on my drive and installed XP Pro.

On boot up I now get an annoying message asking me which operating system I
want to use (XP Home or XP Pro).

The machine originally came with XP Home so I guess when the system boots it
sees the Dell image as well as my new installation?
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Anonymous
October 2, 2004 11:37:59 AM

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I'm not a Dell user but for XP-Pro in general, type "msconfig" from the Run
box on the Start menu and observe BOOT.INI; you can see what OS's are
available and modify the settings to "timeout 0" which should fastdetect
XP-Pro, if that's what you're after (no more boot menu).
If you're having other boot issues, the old standby fdisk /mbr will repair
your mbr provided you have an OSR2 or better DOS bootdisk (for FAT32, if
you opted for NTFS then you're on your own, sorry). I had a similar issue
as I'd originally kept 98SE to run older games. After I reformatted the
98SE partition, XP continued to believe that it still existed and booted
into an OS select menu (encountered more problems still after installing
and uninstalling System Commander, hence the need to fdisk).

On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 07:37:58 GMT, Nick Cleevely wrote:

> "WSZsr" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:E6l7d.343$Al3.173@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
>> it is a feature of very recent production only. How old is your computer?
>>
>
> Yeah I'd be interested to know how to access this...........I deleted the
> original c: paritition on my drive and installed XP Pro.
>
> On boot up I now get an annoying message asking me which operating system I
> want to use (XP Home or XP Pro).
>
> The machine originally came with XP Home so I guess when the system boots it
> sees the Dell image as well as my new installation?
Anonymous
October 2, 2004 12:33:47 PM

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"Bubba Ho-Tep" <bubba@ho.tep> wrote in message
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> I'm not a Dell user but for XP-Pro in general, type "msconfig" from the
> Run
> box on the Start menu and observe BOOT.INI; you can see what OS's are
> available and modify the settings to "timeout 0" which should fastdetect
> XP-Pro, if that's what you're after (no more boot menu).
> If you're having other boot issues, the old standby fdisk /mbr will repair
> your mbr provided you have an OSR2 or better DOS bootdisk (for FAT32, if
> you opted for NTFS then you're on your own, sorry). I had a similar issue
> as I'd originally kept 98SE to run older games. After I reformatted the
> 98SE partition, XP continued to believe that it still existed and booted
> into an OS select menu (encountered more problems still after installing
> and uninstalling System Commander, hence the need to fdisk).
>

Thanks for that, you're spot on........

BOOT.INI lists

multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP
Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home
Edition" /fastdetect

with a timeout=30

To be honest, I'm probably going to DBAN the drive and start from scratch
because I've now slipstreamed SP2 into my XP Pro.

Now where did I put that floppy with the SATA drivers? :-)
Anonymous
October 2, 2004 1:15:31 PM

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"Nick Cleevely" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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>
> "WSZsr" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:E6l7d.343$Al3.173@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
>> it is a feature of very recent production only. How old is your
>> computer?
>>
>
> Yeah I'd be interested to know how to access this...........I deleted the
> original c: paritition on my drive and installed XP Pro.
>
> On boot up I now get an annoying message asking me which operating system
> I want to use (XP Home or XP Pro).
>
> The machine originally came with XP Home so I guess when the system boots
> it sees the Dell image as well as my new installation?

How did you install Windows XP Pro?

Did you insert the CD ROM disc, and allow the setup to run, and did it
report that there was another version of Windows on the disc?

Did you make the wrong choice after, ie keep the original OS and install the
new OS at another location..... I guess you did!

I know cos I've done the same, and it was a trial to eliminate it!

You should have let the setup program load windows XP Pro at the same
location as the previous version. i e overwrite Windows XP Home.

This explains why you have two options regarding OS.

Might I ask one further question, and you should understand before you
answer, that it is not just aimed at you, Why do people on here, delete the
DELL partition so frequently?

As far as I can see, it is only a small area of the harddrive, used to
contain drivers and other useful utilities.

I have watched and continually wondered why this practise is envoked, and
more to the point what benefit are people expecting to gain from it. I have
read that people don't like the bundled software and trial software, fine
why not just uninstall it?

As far as I can see, from reading various manuals on Windows XP Pro, and
NTFS specifically this practice of deleting all and starting afresh, is just
not required.

I should tell all that I came direct to Windows XP Pro, having used a total
alien OS with a totally incompatible processor, namely RISC OS and
StrongARM.

I like anyone changing platforms, bought the requisite manuals and studied
them, so that I would understand the differences.

I didn't come from Windows 95, 98, 98se, 2000, me, so I didnt have all the
hangups about Fat16 and Fat32. I went straight to NTFS.

I would suggest that some of the seasoned 'oldies' who have over the years
migrated through the various incarnations of Windows from Windows 2.0 are
probably so used to having to regularly cope with FS failures, that they are
paranoid and think the worst.

Sorry if this seems to be a rant, but I felt it necessary to comment.

Yours Mr John C. McCulloch
--
eMail1 : john@jcmcc1srp.freeserve.co.uk
eMail2 : john_c_mcculloch@hotmail.com
Comp1: DELL 8400 Windows XP/RISC OS
Comp2: Acorn RiscPC RISC OS
Anonymous
October 2, 2004 1:18:18 PM

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On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:15:31 +0100, Mr John C McCulloch wrote in
<news:cjlo34$om8$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>:

> Might I ask one further question, and you should understand before you
> answer, that it is not just aimed at you, Why do people on here, delete the
> DELL partition so frequently?
>
> As far as I can see, it is only a small area of the harddrive, used to
> contain drivers and other useful utilities.

I kept the tiny Dell partition on my hard drive when I reinstalled Windows.
It was only 55MB in size. On an 80GB drive where I might use 40GB of the
space at any one time, it's not worth worrying about.

> I have watched and continually wondered why this practise is envoked, and
> more to the point what benefit are people expecting to gain from it. I have
> read that people don't like the bundled software and trial software, fine
> why not just uninstall it?
>
> As far as I can see, from reading various manuals on Windows XP Pro, and
> NTFS specifically this practice of deleting all and starting afresh, is just
> not required.

Well, when you uninstall something it's never really truly gone. The
registry gets junked up and runs slower and over time it all adds up. I
like to install stuff I use and uninstall stuff I don't. Like I might play
a game for a month or so and then stop playing it. At some point, I'll do
some house cleaning and uninstall it. I have the CD, if I ever want to
play it again I'll just reinstall it. I keep a very lean system running
and it's probably overkill, but that's just how I like my system.

One of the very first things I did when I got my 8400 was to make sure it
was running okay and then put in the Windows XP CD it came with and
reinstalled Windows. This allows me to know exactly what has been
installed and what hasn't. It allows me to install right away drivers I
need for the equipment I use and not over old or existing drivers (in the
case of video drivers).

It's nice to just start with a clean slate and go on from there. Plus, if
a problem pops up I think it's easier to figure out if you know exactly
what has been done on your system.

Dave
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Anonymous
October 2, 2004 3:33:45 PM

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"Mr John C McCulloch" <john@jcmcc1srp.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Might I ask one further question, and you should understand before you
> answer, that it is not just aimed at you, Why do people on here, delete
> the DELL partition so frequently?
>
> As far as I can see, it is only a small area of the harddrive, used to
> contain drivers and other useful utilities.
>
> I have watched and continually wondered why this practise is envoked, and
> more to the point what benefit are people expecting to gain from it. I
> have read that people don't like the bundled software and trial software,
> fine why not just uninstall it?
>
> As far as I can see, from reading various manuals on Windows XP Pro, and
> NTFS specifically this practice of deleting all and starting afresh, is
> just not required.
>


I'll chime in here. As for the DELL thing, others probably feel as I do.
It's a personalization thing... It's MY COMPUTER, so I want it done MY WAY.
I have owned several Dell's as well as Compaq, Sony, ETC. And the first
thing I've always done is wipe the drive and install MY OWN stuff. I have
about 4 copies of Windows XP (legal purchases). Since after 6 months you
can activate on a totally different PC without a problem, I rotate them and
have never had a problem with activation. In this case, though, I recently
got a GEN 3, and I've stuck with Dells copy of XP. Most vendors just supply
a complete restore option.

It's not just a matter of uninstalling the software they have preinstalled.
Some of the stuff that's preinstalled is hooked into the OS, and can't be
removed. Thankfully, DELL provides a complete OS reinstall disc, and all I
have to live with is the DELL Solution Center link, which I could remove
from the install process by creating a custom install disc, but it's not
bothering me.

In my case, I deleted the 2 extra partitions as they were simply not needed
by me. I do not and would not use any of the DELL jukebox, DELL Photo etc,
software, as they are crippled/branded versions of software I already own,
or I have better software than what was provided by DELL. I keep my own
partition on a separate drive, as well as frequent optical backups of
everything I need in case of disaster. I don't use Dell's drivers.

This stuff is good for those who just want a computer to email photos or
listen to music in general, and don't want to take the time, or don't have
the time to learn software, but I've invested a lot of time (and MUCH more
money!) in my computers over the past 15 or so years - to me it's more than
just a PC. Others may see their PC as merely an appliance, like a toaster -
it's there to serve a purpose. But for me, my PCs are like members of the
family, like a pet, if that sounds logical.

As I am aging, I'm losing more and more of what little patience I had. When
severe problems arise, it is far easier for me to pop the OS disc in and
reboot - reformat and reinstall everything, than to try and figure out how
to fix the problem. In the past, I have spent days, even weeks, trying to
troubleshoot some issues. I don't do that anymore. I just sit at the PC,
and spend 2 hours or so getting everything freshly installed and working.
It may not be NECESSARRY to do this, but it's a lot less aggravating to me.

But you're right about one thing - I AM a veteran Windows user, as far back
as Windows 3.1.
Anonymous
October 2, 2004 7:28:57 PM

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"How old is your computer?"
One Dell is a week old...the other is only days old.
Gary
Anonymous
October 3, 2004 2:19:14 AM

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Just got it this last Tuesday from Dell.
Anonymous
October 3, 2004 6:50:58 AM

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UPDATE

My son's new Dell computer responds properly to Cntrl F11. My daughters new
Dell gives keyboard error...I think I will run a diagnostic on the keyboard.
Thanks for all your help in this matter.
Gary
October 3, 2004 7:51:53 AM

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Keyboard error comes up if you press the wrong combination at the
wrong time. When you see blue Dell logo, immediately press the key
combination which you want only once.

Tim.

"Gary Avrett" <designer852@sbcglobal.net_nospam> wrote in message news:<mOJ7d.13484$Qv5.13215@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>...
> UPDATE
>
> My son's new Dell computer responds properly to Cntrl F11. My daughters new
> Dell gives keyboard error...I think I will run a diagnostic on the keyboard.
> Thanks for all your help in this matter.
> Gary
Anonymous
October 3, 2004 8:43:01 PM

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Thanks Tim...
!