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December 3, 2001 11:45:42 AM

i tell my all friends who use computers that AMD XP is Faster than P4, and they all ask me why?
i tell because AMD performs 9 OPC while P4 only 6 OPC
they say what else? but i donot know what to tell

so what else which make the AMD XP faster than P4?

wish if there was UnDo in the life

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December 3, 2001 11:58:08 AM

The AMD Athlon XP has more L1 cache and has 3 FPU units.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
December 3, 2001 12:25:29 PM

Oh please I don't want to see another arguement of XP vs p4 (AMD vs Intel) this is getting far too mundane.

I would like to point out that you cannot comprehensively compare the XP with the p4 and conclude one is faster than the other.

Each procesor excel in diffrent situations/applications. One may be faster in some tasks but be slower in others. Besides the 'performance' of a PC depends on the whole 'package' which I can't be bothered to get into cause it will take forever.

You obviously want to somehow convince your friends that XP is better than P4. I suggest you do your own research and come up with your own arguement, bearing in mind each processor has its strengths and weaknesses and there will be no clear winner (unless you bring in another factor i.e cost).

Am I making myself clear ? or am I just going around in circles ?

...man this is pointless...give it up.
At the end of the day it comes down to personal choice and what you use your PC for. Look at me I'm still using a k62-333Mhz, this is more than adeaquate for me and consider my PC 'fast' in what it does i.e surfing the web and writing letters in Word 97.

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December 3, 2001 12:40:36 PM

Bullsh!t! Cyrix are the fastest, and I have proven it.

To put this entire "which is faster" B.S. to an end, I got a chip of the three common processors: one pentium 4, one athlon xp, and a cyrix/C3.

I launched each one with a ging over a distance of 10m with a friend's help, using an impact sensor to time how long it took each chip to hit, using a trip-beam just in front of the ging to start the timer.

Cyrix hit fastest at 0.17 seconds.
Athlon hit second fastest at 0.20 seconds.
Intel hit slowest at 0.21 seconds.

So, there you have it. Cyrix chips are the *fastest* chip you can ever get, thanks probably to it's excellent aerodynamics.

Now all of you bugger off and find something better to do with your time.

How long is a piece of string? The same shape as something beige.
December 3, 2001 12:41:38 PM

lol, upgrade to Windows XP and Office XP and your PC won't be "fast" anymore. I agree though, however, that there's too much debate over which processor is faster or better. But clock for clock the Athlon XP is faster than the P4 in practically every single task by a significantly margin so I guess he was just asking why that is so.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
December 3, 2001 2:45:23 PM

with properly SSE2 enabled software, the P4 ipc's always increases.

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
December 3, 2001 4:09:36 PM

True, but that requires specific optimizations. Anyway, using 2 completely unoptimized apps, on a clock for clock basis, the Athlon XP will always win.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
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December 3, 2001 10:53:22 PM

yep! and use the latest extensions of 3DNow! xp will rampin rampagin roar!!

peace outz!!!
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December 3, 2001 11:52:39 PM

Problem with the P4 is there just aint the software out yet.
Still.
The Athlon just plain beats it with brute force.

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lol, upgrade to Windows XP and Office XP and your PC won't be "fast" anymore.

...but at least it wont leak its memory everywhere after some up-time and then give a BSOD to tell you that you just gained some more lost chains etc...
:smile:

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December 4, 2001 12:06:40 AM

Why the F*CK are you still fithing again...the fact of the matters is that 80% of the poeple i know are still running P2/3 or K6-2 bellow 600Mhz and ALL their games/application still run on them,do you know that most people can even afford this type of power and are going for celerons!

P4 or XP it does'nt matters both are way faster then the first Vic20 or comodore64 and both P4 and XP runs EVERYTHING.

Bty i still own a comodore64 and from time to time open it up and play old games whit it...this make me enjoy what i got!

Whats the point exacly...are you all millionaires????



Sorry for my spelling i'm french...hey i ain't perfect!
December 4, 2001 3:45:05 AM

bragging rights...i think.

I don't claim to know anything about everything, I just tell people what I know.
-PSB
December 4, 2001 4:38:16 AM

well for one thing, doesnt the pentium4 run at a higher internal clock speed but gets less work done per cycle? hence 1.46 (1700+) amd's running with p4 1.7ghz.
i assume intel couldnt make a better processor, so they made sure it would clock high and appear fast.
kinda like mustang vs. camaro, both look good but camaro has more power and wins everytime. what matters is on the inside (and intel inside doesnt help matters much).
December 4, 2001 3:36:34 PM

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fithing


Is this a new word? I haven't seen it before.

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December 4, 2001 7:50:56 PM

How can an XP1700 run like P4 1.7?
It is much much more, at least a P4 2GHZ.
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December 4, 2001 8:30:11 PM

no, Mustangs win every time, what you been smokin...

sorry everybody I just couldn't contain myself.
December 4, 2001 9:38:11 PM

It depends upon what the engine is- I have seen a mustang win, and a camaro win.

NOS and a <font color=red> Ferrari </font color=red> can be fun! :cool:
December 4, 2001 9:38:43 PM

And then u can throw in NOS......:) 

NOS and a <font color=red> Ferrari </font color=red> can be fun! :cool:
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December 4, 2001 10:00:17 PM

no, mustangs always win, no matter what. This is because they have been blessed by a higher power.

With respect to CPU's I try to maintain some semblance of a neutral stance. For me cars are different.

again, sorry. In case it isn't obvious, I am kidding around a little here.
December 4, 2001 10:47:30 PM

From what i've seen the camaro usually wins

5.8L V8 vs 4.6L V8

only thing the mustang might have it less weight
December 5, 2001 2:10:13 AM

Bah, NOS is for cheaters :)  but as for pure muscle is going, I'd have to say that the new Camaro's rock the Mustangs just because theres no more shelby helping out good ol' Ford (ford blows donkey balls). As for the classic muscle, lets run a 67 shelby gt 500 against a 69 camaro SS. But for those who cant experience the speed in a car, we tend to like the speed where we're at most, THE COMPUTER! So to answer the orginal question, why amd XP is faster, cause its newer :)  wait til the northwoods and then p4 gains the edge yet again
December 5, 2001 9:50:16 AM

lol. hey you are going to kill me. NOS is a comany. my head is about to blow oh no no nooooooooooooooo. boooom.

so what is your favorit car? and what you drive?

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December 5, 2001 11:11:44 AM

What exactly does injecting Nitrous Oxide into the combustion chamber do exactly? Sorry, I'm sitting here doing circuit analysis and getting very bored.

Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
December 5, 2001 11:21:02 AM

What do YOU drive? I wish I could have one of those classic 70's muscle cars but the f***ing bl***y to***ng insurancane thang over here is so /\nal retentive that I can't.

Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
December 5, 2001 12:39:04 PM

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What exactly does injecting Nitrous Oxide into the combustion chamber do exactly?


ok two answers:
Scientific answer:
Injecting NOS into the combustion chamber, causes a more violent/faster explosion, causing the engine to work faster, and in turn propelling the car at a greater speed than possible with standard fuel.

Hillbilly answer:
Makes you go Darn Quick..


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December 5, 2001 9:21:26 PM

NO, the best shootout would be between the 69 Boss 429 and the 69 Camaro ZL1. The Boss 429 had the advantage of Semi-Hemisphircal Cumbustion chambers, the ZL1 had the special aluminum 427. Those two were the most powerfull versions ever built. Both could be tuned to over 500HP with headers and open exhaust, no N2O, no Turbo's, and horrible efficiency.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
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December 5, 2001 9:26:01 PM

N2O works by COOLING the intake charge so the air is more dense (more oxygen), and by beffuring the charge to help prevent spark knock (LESS violent combustion). The reason so many engines got damaged from it is because they "went lean", meaning the engine did not receive enough fuel to compensate for the increased oxygen, and started using the pistons for fuel! 2Al+3O2=2Al2O3!

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
December 5, 2001 10:09:22 PM

it's on amd's website .. the comparisons...

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/...

check that out and you'll see the difference.

the big question is how many operations can you do per cycle? Amd can do 9 while intel does 6.. thats why the amd chips are infact faster.

if they want more then the athlon xp chip is implementated (made) more "efficient" (not better mind you, but is made to run better not made better, difference) then the pentium 4 (which is made better). You have to remember the p4 isn't complete to my knowldege. The current P4 if i remember correctly was just the transition phase to it's new architecture.

if they want more then tell them to take a class because it gets deep down into the architecture and to be frank there is no way i can type text here and magicly tell you why the athlon runs faster and for you to magicily get it.

It's deep into the architecture. It's just made more efficient.

wanting more details... you could probably read about it on the web... but the terminology they would use, you may not get it. but then again maybe you will. deponds on the person.

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December 6, 2001 12:39:59 AM

you could say i drive a piece of [-peep-]. its just a mitsubishi eclipse. the good thing is that its turbo AWD.

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December 6, 2001 12:43:26 AM

you have amazed me. you know more about cars than i though.

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December 6, 2001 1:39:41 AM

Yes, I'm a genius.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
December 6, 2001 1:53:16 AM

Obviously, YOU ARE THE FORUM MASTER!

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
December 6, 2001 2:03:02 AM

Mustangs dont win everytime buddy...
I own both a 1981 Camaro Z28 5.7L 350Cu. V8 AND a 1984 Camaro Z28 5.0L 305Cu. H.O. L69 V8 with a 4 speed Automatic with a Stage 2 Shift-Kit and 3.23 rear posi-traction gears....
A friend own a 1988 302 boss 5.0 5 speed Standard Mustang GT Cobra...and lemme tell you, my Z28 kicks the crap out of it from off the line to finish.....I'm talkign pure motor....and anyways go lookup info yourself of Mustang's and Camaro's...and you'll notice the Z28/SS eats the Mustang Cobra and/or GT for breakfast stock to stock..no matter what......not to mention the fact that both the old 5.0 and the now 4.6L Ford motor's are TERRIBLE on gas, MUCH more so than the 305(5.0L) or 350(5.7L) Chevy Small blocks.......anyways...I am both aa car AND computer man, dont believe what I've just told you, go check out the info yourself....I'm not saying Mustang's suck or aren't fast, cuz they are, but stock to stock...a Z28/SS Camaro will beat a Mustang Cobra/GT anytime......

There are 9 second ¼ Mile Stangs.....but you know what kinds Mods you have to do to get that ??
Same goes for the Z's....

If i recall correctly the 2000 Mustang SVT Cobra pulls roughly 14.6 sec. on ¼ Mile STOCK....
2000 Camaro Z28 pulls a 13.75 on the ¼ mile with the LS1 5.7L 350Cu. V8 and the 2000 SS pulls a 13.4 on the ¼ mile stock......these are stock figures and may not be exact but its something like that.....

Anyways i think ive proved myself enough...now check it out yourself =)


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December 6, 2001 3:12:34 AM

I once had a 1980 Delta 88 with a 1970 350r that could pull 14's in the 1/4. The Delta 88 actually weighed LESS than the two-door cutlass it came out of! Now that Cutlass, it was a BRUTE of a car!

I also won a race against some anemic Monte Carlo SS with a puny Ford Escort. That was one of the early 80's SS's that made all of about 105hp with it's 305. And the Escort was slightly modified, probably made around 100HP but with a lot less weight.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
December 6, 2001 4:37:01 AM

i have a really old car that can do 0-100 (0-60mph) in around half a minute!

car weighs in at 1500kg (3300lbs), and has a very beefy straight 6, 161 c.i. pumpin out less than 100hp for sure!!!
lol

get good fuel efficiency though :) 

on the plus side, my athlon 1200C is now stable at 1475Mhz...

Excuse me for a moment. I need to drive my ergonomic wheely chair over a sheet of bubble wrap!
December 6, 2001 4:43:29 AM

Heh.....yea, early eighty's 305's were GARBAGE......and actualyl a basline Non H.O. 305 in early eighty's was 140HP....
H.O. was 190HP.... BUT i have had my 305 H.O. in my Z28 Borrd (SP?) over 0.30 from original, orsized valves, and basically a lot fo stuff done to make it more like a modernized 305 EXCEPT its got a good old Rochester 4 Barrel Quadra-Jet Carbeutator and a Tranny Inter-Cooler......I'd say im pushing 300HP and 340/350 Lb. Ft. of Torque out of my 305 H.O. L69 Chev. SB.........

Soon I will have Headrers and side-pipes... =)
I already have the aftermarket Z28/Iroc-Z Rear Spoiler...... =)
It's pretty quick.......I'd say my car can pull a 13.5 on the ¼ with my 305.....



-MeTaL RoCkEr

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December 6, 2001 4:46:47 AM

cool. you guys make me feel good. now i feel my car is not a piece af sh*t. i do high 11s and low 12s in a 1/4 mile. and i'm a mile above sea level. the g20 really helps.

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December 6, 2001 4:53:50 AM

The Mitsubishi Ecplipse Turbo's only came in AWD =)

And you must have soem serious mod's to that car than, becaseu stock that car pulls a low 15 on the ¼ mile......
and all of us are talkigna bout pretty much bone stock cars.......

But nonetheless.....11's and 12's are very impresive for ANY car........

BTW Crashman.......how fast to you think that Ford Escprt would go witht hat 350 Rocket in it (assumign it's possible even though its not becasue a 350 is bigger than the hood of an escort, let alone an escort is FWD...heh heh.....



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December 6, 2001 3:38:19 PM

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the good thing is that its turbo AWD.


w00t!
93 Subaru Legacy sport sedan here. Turbo AWD as well. Mine's all stock though.

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December 6, 2001 3:57:22 PM

Exactly how did this turn into a disucssion about cars?

Just to join in... I drive a really cool 1987 Ford Taurus LX with all the options!! The peeling paint makes it look like absolute crap, but the 3.0L V6 still moves pretty good. I can beat most of those stupid rice-rockets out there. w00t!


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December 6, 2001 4:31:02 PM

<A HREF="http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/Downloadab..." target="_new">JERRY CRAP HEAD</A>

You see all these AMD pups are just reciting Jerry Sanders little speech.

P.S Melty where are you ? I have a sexy little christmas present for you... :wink:

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December 6, 2001 5:00:26 PM

"Jerry crap head"?
Your maturity amazes me.

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December 6, 2001 9:36:27 PM

does this mean techi2001 is right about you guys?

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December 6, 2001 9:45:27 PM

Remind me what Techie said...

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December 6, 2001 9:53:50 PM

Creeper, I thought you were a joker at first but you are quickly turning into a troll.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
December 7, 2001 1:39:56 AM

A troll -yikes- in looooovvvveeeee!!
December 7, 2001 1:59:19 AM

Quote:
A troll -yikes- in looooovvvveeeee!!

On the next Springer.

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December 7, 2001 2:49:39 AM

"On the next Springer show, how The AMD Athlon XP Powered Camaro Z28 took on the Intel Pentium 4 powered Mustang GT"

Oh man......to much coffeeeeeeeeeee............not enough sleep.......grrr....



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December 7, 2001 8:38:35 AM

you know that they are one person and in another post they are married. lol he also mentioned something about you using out off the subject post in different sections of this forum. :smile:

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December 7, 2001 4:24:49 PM

Offline post? That makes no sense.

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