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December 11, 2001 11:43:33 AM

I m a freshguy from uk...now im going to buy a new system...
for processor, which one should i choose? AMD or Intel?
if i wanna spend 200pounds only? thx .

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Anonymous
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December 11, 2001 11:50:34 AM

I'm gonna risk this - you've gotta be a plant sent to start a flame war - but then again you could be legit - Go AMD pal. Stable, good VFM, and reliable. Just don't overheat them so use a good cooler and you'll have hours of processing fun.

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Anonymous
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December 11, 2001 11:52:14 AM

Hey - fill in you profile. Lets have a laugh.

Where in the UK are you from - Cos I live in UK too.

Cat, cat.... I've heard that name before.
Cat = Pussy = Female??????

Yes or no.

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December 11, 2001 12:01:00 PM

Gonna agree with techie here, amd will take you much further with your hard earned dollar...err pound, and with the cash you save on a cpu you can get better parts to fill out the deal.


Dont believe fugger, amdmeltdown, or intel_inside if they try to feed you a load of bull about amd having incompatability or instability, the only thing instable are their minds.

Also you dont need fancy heatsinks if you dont plan to overclock, just the retail heatsink and fan(which comes with the processor when you get the retail package with the 3 year warrantee) and a casefan(or not depending on if your case is large or cramped) and you will be good to go.

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Anonymous
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December 11, 2001 12:07:57 PM

how about u? unfortunately, i m a guy~ hahaha....didn`t u read? "i m a freshGUY from uk~ " anyway....it`s a good idea to choose AMD systems...it is seems raising up day by day..
i like it too!
December 11, 2001 12:31:30 PM

You realize that amdmeltedfudgin_sidemya_hole will have to reply.
December 11, 2001 12:41:59 PM

Thats fine, let meltdumbass reply, and the oppinions of dozens of informed educated computer users will be turned against him and not a sane person on earth will believe a single word out of his mouth.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
December 11, 2001 12:42:55 PM

ditto...get an athlon xp.
current P4 performance against the xp is udderly dissapointing in my opinion.
btw...dont discourage FUGGER and amd_meltdown from posting on this forum, i wanna see what thay have to say, unless they're going to say the same old crap again...

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Anonymous
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December 11, 2001 12:45:40 PM

Hay this isn't yahoo chat - I'm not looking for a date on here. Anyway'z I'm a guy. I do tech support on phone lines in the NW area of England. You'll find the majority of the poeple on this forum are AMD pro. There is nothing wrong with Intel don't get me wrong they make a very good chip but if you want the VFM ratings and the stability then go for the AMD athlon XP. Even the Athlon is still a competitve chip.

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December 11, 2001 1:15:58 PM

Quote:
dont discourage FUGGER and amd_meltdown from posting on this forum, i wanna see what thay have to say, unless they're going to say the same old crap again...



Once in a blue moon fugger says something both origional and helpful(very rarely) but meltdown has NEVER said an origional thing in the nearly 10 months I have been a member of this forum, everyday he says the same bs fud and everyday everyone makes him look like a retard.

When will he just give it up and go home.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
December 11, 2001 2:11:43 PM

to give you an idea here of pricing

GIGABYTE GA-7DXR Motherboard Specs BUNDLE W/ COOLING FAN & (AMD ATHLON XP 1600+; KINGSTON 256MB NON-ECC PC2100; ASSEMBLE/TEST BUNDLE) $321.00

thats in american dollars... convert to pounds split it in half (divide by 2)

something equivalent as far as performance from intel.

ABIT TH7II-R Motherboard Specs BUNDLE W/ RETAILED (INTEL PENTIUM 4 1.6G - 478; 256MB NON-ECC RDRAM X 2; ASSEMBLE/TEST BUNDLE) $570.00

split that in half and thats your pounds.

intel is almost double, not quite but almost.

so there you go.. not saying to get those motherboards but right now the Gigabyte board for athlon and the abit board for intel i believe are the top? They are both from the same vendor. It's a pretty fair comparison almost. you can never get exact...

not sure as far as recently since new mobos are released all the time. but that should give you an idea for pricing and what to expect.

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December 11, 2001 2:13:48 PM

I'll agree to that. Fugger just last week put some url's with his post to try to support it. They were 11 months old but articles nontheless. So there are my two cents.

By the way, Steven Wright once said, "Why is it a penny for your thought but you have to put you two cents in? Somebody's making a penny."

<b>All for one and one for all...and 3 for 5! - Curly - The Three Stooges</b> :lol: 
December 11, 2001 2:29:09 PM

Gigabyte at the top of the market? Hardly. The Asus KT266a is the current fastest motherboard, the Abit KR7a-RAID (KT266a) is nice, too.
When top-tier mobo makers bring out the SiS735, I will rejoice :) 

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December 11, 2001 2:44:03 PM

do you own a gigabyte board? i have one... really nice. know happens with a bad flash on your bios? or a virus? :) 
gotta love dual bios, saved my board at work already! (have the ga-bx2000).

anyway the point was the pricing not the boards used. if you forget the amd760(i forget the number now) is on that board along with the kg7 and does very good. just you get more with your money with the ga-7dxr and thats a fact.
gigabyte is the top 5 in the world. jsyk. ask my boss about epox he was like (who the fu'ck are they?) or asus or abit... gigabyte is well known!

btw i hate VIA chipsets! I will try very hard to stay far away from them as much as possible. yes the 7dxr is a hybrid ... like i said trying very hard to stay far away as possible. :) 

post reaction reply:
I'm glad you had no problems with them... good for you ...

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December 11, 2001 2:49:59 PM

BTW: UK Pound vs US Dollar is trading at 1.436 Dollars per Pound. 11:20AM Tuesday Dec.11 2001 EST.

<b>All for one and one for all...and 3 for 5! - Curly - The Three Stooges</b> :lol: 
December 11, 2001 3:05:50 PM

You said that the Gigabyte board with the AMD 761 chipset is at the top of the market. Let's think about that.
Fastest? Definitely not
Most stable? It's stable, but probably not the MOST stable.
Most features? Not at all

So it's the top of the market because...

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December 11, 2001 3:23:33 PM

got any proof? let me see it? otherwise you got nothing to backup what you say.

here are the features listed for the ga-7dxr:
dual BIOS,
onboard audio (great for backup),
onboard promise RAID controller,
hardware dip switch settings - best for overclocking,
voltage regulator for:
-cpu,
-RAM,
-AGP Pro slot
AGP Pro
AGP Pro slot has a 12V connector built on the board so you can run virtually any videocard on the market.
CNR slot (although useless for me)
@BIOS - flash your bios from windows. It checks online for the latest flash and installs it for you. No need to worry about a bad flash. If there was who cares you have dual BIOS!
EZtune - overclock your computer using this software. it can find the optimal setting to overclock your computer.
active cooling fan on chipset.

shall i go on? i can find more... i was looking at the manual and there are tons of things to setup and i'm just like ahh screw it i'll just use the default settings.

i can back it up. just go to the gigabyte site and see it for yourself.

and not one thing is said to be bad about this board. (besides back then the pricing was a bit high). Read the reviews also. I've read tons of them before i bought the board. Pretty consistent when all of them say "gigabyte the top 5 motherboard producer in the world".

show me proof that says otherwise.

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Anonymous
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December 11, 2001 3:27:26 PM

Its a gigabyte.

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December 11, 2001 5:44:57 PM

You could compare it to the Thunder K7 of course, but that's kind of unfair.

I'll do some digging, although you could be right about the features.

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December 11, 2001 6:41:06 PM

lol sorry wrong post believe it or not ... had two open at the same time.. anyway ...

ya the board is really nice. Loaded with features i have no clue what some do.

You can also change the memory timings in the BIOS!

so ya can't hate gigabyte if you never owned a board lol. i can se it if you had one and had nothing but problems with it? unless you have i don't know. I've never had a problem and i never had a problem with the one i use at work *shrugs*.




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December 11, 2001 6:49:39 PM

That was possibly the most random post I've ever seen.

After looking around, it appears that the Gigabyte with the AMD 761/ Via 686b does have to most (hardware) features. But it's still beat in performance and stability.

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December 11, 2001 7:16:11 PM

eh i try!

well of course. there are always better mobo's out. the ones out now will be outclassed and out performed by the next set of mobo's just like the last set (abit KG7 and GA-7DXR). *shrugs*

*looking at different mobo's*

there really isn't anything out there that is new. you got the AMD760 or the KT266A ... given i don't like via thats all that is left is the AMD760. So my board isn't that old... yet. SIS can go F' themselves lol. I have yet to see nforce mobo's out in the market. So i would continue and say my board (the AMD760) is one of the most stable and performing mobo's out there. I don't see how the via chipsets can be labeled as stable? and nforce isn't out yet as far as i can see in the market. And SIS is pure crap. (just feel like saying SIS is pure crap, don't get offended and flame now, just picken on the little guy).

Everytime i look on here someone is having a problem with a via chipset. rather it be sb live! or usb for example.
(hint my dad is having USB problems he has a KT133A)

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December 11, 2001 8:42:14 PM

Quote:
but right now the Gigabyte board for athlon and the abit board for intel i believe are the top?


That's no longer true, are you accepting that? Just want to make sure.

Why do you jump all over me because you think I'm posting something without being able to back it up and then you say "And SIS is pure crap. (just feel like saying SIS is pure crap, don't get offended and flame now, just picken on the little guy)."

The SiS735 is a very good chipset that is currently unsupported by good motherboard makers. I suggest you go learn what you're talking about before making statements like that. The SiS645 is looking just as good, but it's too early to tell.

Via is unstable? You mention Live and USB problems. Guess what? You have the same southbridge as your dad's KT133a. Congratulations, you have the potential for the exact same problem.

nForce not out? MSI and Asus both have boards on Pricewatch. Girish (I think) also mentioned that the Gigabyte was available in India.

So that makes three chipsets that are faster and (so far) more stable than what you have. Satisfied?

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December 12, 2001 4:33:11 AM

Actually burger, those problems only come up on via northbridge AND southbridge systems, with an amd 760 northbridge the via southbridge issue dissapears.(they use that particular southbridge on many systems even some intel ones).

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December 12, 2001 12:29:47 PM

u need to relax.

Note:
In the dictionary lookup "Dialouge" and "Conversation". Both are very related. If you weren't looking for a conversation then why did you even make a post? If you can't handle a conversation then i suggest you don't post anything.

ok now i wasn't jumping all over or whatever it is your stressed out brain happens to believe.

What you say still doesn't escape the absolute fact VIA has problems with it's chipsets and the very reason why i try to stay away from them. In fact you have supported my claim. In other words we agree with each other. It is irrelevent to the conversation rather or not i have the same south bridge as my dad or not. It doesn't matter and doesn't mean anything. The fact still remains VIA has compatibility problems.

Only post back if you can handle a conversation. Don't start typing away venting at me as i usually don't even read them.

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December 12, 2001 2:32:09 PM

Not totally true. Two friends of mine (KG7 and the Gigabyte we're talking about) have both had problems with their Live cards.

sk8er, read my posts. I'm interested in what you have to say. You made a statement (that the Gigabyte is at the top of the market), and I'm disagreeing. I fail to see how I "can't handle a conversation".

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December 12, 2001 3:08:50 PM

I beg to differ on the Asus being not well known. Asus was the first motherboard manufacturer I knew as a true brand-name product maker, and up untill my last system, I had built every system I ever made with an Asus board.

My current one is a Gigabyte board, and I am quite happy with it, even if it's not in the top 2-3 of the KT266A speed boards. It's stable, reliable, and was a great price. When you're talking a 1-2% margin of performance between boards, there is more to consider than simply top performance.

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December 12, 2001 3:39:19 PM

hmmm if i said asus isn't well known then i take it back. But i don't believe i said asus isn't well known.

ya asus has been around for a long time. Same with gigabyte. They make good boards. just you get more for your money with the gigabyte then with an asus board.

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Anonymous
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December 13, 2001 5:36:52 AM

Get the Athlon XP. The P4 is a joke!
Anonymous
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December 13, 2001 9:21:41 AM

>And SIS is pure crap.

Far from. In fact, it may just be one of the best socket A chipsets out there. Like Fatburger said, the problem is that currently no good motherboard manufacturers sell boards based on the chip. Its just ECS, which quite obviously, lacks decent quality control. The chip however, is top notch. I have one, and I couldnt be happier with it. Dont blame SiS for ECS's screw up. If you are lucky enough to find a working board, you'll love it. I know I love mine.

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December 13, 2001 5:58:27 PM

There's where your wrong, ECS is NOT the only Motherboard Manufacturer to make a board with the SiS735.......

PC-Chips has a SiS735 based Motherboard.....actually, its got THE EXACT SAME features as the ECS K7S5A aswell....Onboard Lan AND Sound etc. supports both DDR AND SDR ram.......and the board is funky colour coded.......

The exact Model is the PC-Chips M830LR......

Go check it out, so far, I haven't heard about all the bad quality control on this board as compared to ECS, so I think you'd have betetr luck, and it the same setup as the ECS Based board btu you dont have to worry about gettign a bad one......

-MeTaL RoCkEr

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December 13, 2001 6:19:38 PM

There weren't any horror stories with the ECS borads for a while, either.

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December 13, 2001 6:33:51 PM

I'm awaer of that FatBurger, but if memory serves me right, the PC-Chips board the M830LR has been on the Market JUST AS LONG.....and please dotn confuse ECS with PC-Chips....just becasue the ECS Quality Control went sour doesnt mean PC-Chips SiS735 board automatically went sour also....there 2 totaly differenty companies.......anyhoo.....

-MeTaL RoCkEr

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December 13, 2001 7:03:24 PM

Just a stupid question: How can you have so many typos in your posts, yet still spell your userID correctly, superfluous capitalization and all?
December 13, 2001 8:26:43 PM

I know that, I'm just saying that it's possible nothing has been heard because not many people are buying them.

Amptron, Chaintech and Leadtek are also listed on PriceWatch, BTW. The Leadtek is supposed to offer a good tweaking board. Haven't heard anything about the others.

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December 13, 2001 8:55:55 PM

Also it looks like Ali are back in the game with their Magik 'C' revision chipset per. tje iWIll DDR333 board.

Basically there are lots of great options out there right now for AMD users. I'm about to go MPX and dual - I want to see what a pair of 2000+ will do for my video editing times. I might accidentally stumble and knock a Ti500 into my shopping basket at the same time though (that Ultra is getting a bit dusty).... This will be my first AMD chipset (having been kt133a until now. Somehow I think it should be good.....

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December 13, 2001 9:50:15 PM

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Ncogneto on 12/13/01 06:51 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
December 13, 2001 9:50:33 PM

Quote:
just becasue the ECS Quality Control went sour doesnt mean PC-Chips SiS735 board automatically went sour also....there 2 totaly differenty companies.......anyhoo.....

Hate to be the one that busts your bubble but ECS and Pc-chips are the same company......ECS owns pc-chips. Why do you think some of the pc-chips bios's are interchangable with the ECS boards?

Another Cookie? Who is going to pay my dentist bill?<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Ncogneto on 12/13/01 06:52 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
December 13, 2001 10:53:30 PM

What's the point of having lots of options for a platform if they all have failings? Let's see:

- VIA sucks, I've had several bad experiences with them
- ECS and PC Chips have a bad rep, so the SiS chipset is out
- AMD 760 is old and doesn't support some features
- Ali doesn't have much of a reputation either

What's left? Northwood, hopefully... That's what I'm waiting for. A P3 on 440BX is plenty fast for all the games out right now.
December 13, 2001 11:50:36 PM

VIA used to suck, I have never had any issues with them, my KT133A board (A7V133) under win2k is absolutely rock solid. I have not seen anything for kt266(a) yet either. Sure there can be issues with SB Live! cards, but from what I hear that is as much a failing of creative as anyone. I have used an SB Live! card for a few years without issue...

Things do indeed look bad for ECS and PC-Chips, but Leadtek and Chaintek are coming in with 735 boards now.

AMD760 is getting long in the tooth, but it is still a strong performer. I guess it is now a moot issue since AMD are withdrawing from manufacturing the chipset.

Ali's new revision chipset initially looks to be very strong although obviously time and cosumer intrest will be the proof.

You also left out nForce, which while still limited in manufacturers is a very strong performing chipset as another alternative.

Sure Northwood is left - let's hope Intel get it right. It is not unusual for tech firms to get it wrong, and Intel is no exception. Also, if the shipping problems with the top Intel chips is anything to go by, it will be a crapshoot when the CPU will actually be widely available to walk in and buy....

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December 14, 2001 1:11:09 AM

Sir,

Recently, I have read several postings on other boards where the HSF's in boxed version AXP's are of low quality. As I look into purchasing a processor for the new build, if the HSF's are poor, then why should I buy a retail box processor? I would like a decent HSF, even if I don't overclock, and if that means a OEM CPU, with a seperate HSF then so be it.

Are these just bad impressions of users, or is this a general rule with these processors.

Sincerely,

John Kay

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December 14, 2001 2:31:59 AM

Honestly, I can't answer that...I dont have an answer to that.......i think its because im always rushing and not paying attention to what im typing......Whenever im making a post, im also doing 3 or 4 things at once, and i try to do it all as quickly as possible, sorry about the typo's......

-MeTaL RoCkEr

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December 14, 2001 2:58:24 AM

OK, so there similar yes, BUT there not EXACTLY the same, correct ? there different lines.......

Anyways......it don't matter.......they r pretty much the same board, except they coem out of different lines.....and i guess the PC-Chips line is better........

-MeTaL RoCkEr

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December 14, 2001 4:16:59 AM

The retail heatsink is not poor, it is an all around average performer which is very quiet. The postings claiming the retail hsf's are of low quality are from OVERCLOCKERS, and yes, if you plan to overclock the retail heatsink sucks. However if you do not plan to overclock, the retail heatsink will keep the cpu cool enough to function properly without burtsting your eardrums with delta fans of death.

Is the retail heatsink the best in the universe....no.
Is it good for overclocking.....no.
Is it good for general in spec use....Most deffinatly.
If is cheap and gets you a 3 year warrantee, that is why the retail heatsink is perfectly decent.

If you choose to buy your own thats fine, you wind up paying about the same sans the 3 year warentee, and if you put a swifttech on a cpu thats not overclocked it WILL be cooler, but the question is....what does that matter? If it is cool enough not to lock up, it is fine, having it cooler has no effect on performance or longevity.(maybe lose 6 months of cpu life out of 20 years)

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December 14, 2001 4:10:37 PM

Heh heh. Hey Beavis, he said "sir". Heh heh.

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December 17, 2001 11:57:17 AM

Actually, you can do a little light overclocking with a retail HSF. Don't expect wonders though.

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December 17, 2001 2:13:22 PM

Leadtek introduced an SiS 735 board, but noone in here has had the guts to plunk down the money for it.

ALi has always had stable chipsets, at least for as long as I can remember, but a bit slower than the competition. Right now the Iwill XP333 looks quite nice.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
December 19, 2001 11:53:04 AM

I built a friends computer with a duron 900 and the retail hsf cant handle 1ghz, but 966 works(or maybe 933 i cant remember). So yes, slight ocing is cool, nothing major.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
December 19, 2001 2:25:15 PM

I hate to piss on peoples bonfires, but £200 WONT get you an xp,good board, and good ram to go with it, sorry.


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