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February 12, 2013 11:07:56 PM

I'm looking to do a clean install on a system that I'm building....so its never had an operating system on it before.

I want to instal the 64 bit version Windows 7 Ultimate, for a gaming computer I'm building.

I understand the ULTIMTE version makes for good compatibility issues, to play older PC games... such as those designed for Windows 98 or XP.

My question is... should I only buy the standard version of Windows 7 Ultimate or can I install Windows 7 Ultimate Upgrade?

I'm looking at a well known and popular auction site. Several sellers are offering the UPGRADE version of the Windows 7 Ultimate operating system (with a legal and unused product key).

Some sellers are stating that you can use the UPGRADE version (just lie the regular Ultimate version), to do a complete install on a system that never had an operating system installed before. I though the upgrade was only if you had a pror version of windows already installed and you wanted to "upgrade" to Windows 7 Ultimate only?


I just want to be sure and not buy the wrong version of Windows 7 Ultimate OP and get duped with something I can't use.

Here are the version of the OS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_Ultimate
February 12, 2013 11:25:33 PM

In order to use the upgrade version, you need to already have windows installed on it such as XP or Vista. Therefore you have to buy the standard version. Get the OEM/system builder version of the OS, its cheaper.
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February 12, 2013 11:27:46 PM

Hi :) 

If you REALLY believe that those are genuine legal versions on ebay then I have a bridge in London to sell you...lol

What price are they compared to major resellers sites ? if there is more than 10% difference they ARE fakes...

All the best Brett :) 
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February 12, 2013 11:32:18 PM

Agreed ^

I wouldn't buy Keys from ebay. There are keygens out there that can make working keys, but MS eventually tracks them down and then blacklists them.
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February 13, 2013 12:35:37 AM

Please let me better clarify...I'm not trying to just buy a key online and hope for the best or a bootleg copy.

These are original boxed Microsoft sets from Microsoft. Someone bough the OS but didn't install it. I don't even waste my time looking at anything that looks priced too good to be true or shady.

The OS kits I am looking at all include the original product key that was never used and never registered. They generally sell for about $80 up to $110 for the ULTIMATE edition.
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February 13, 2013 12:37:08 AM

OldtimeGamer said:
Please let me better clarify...I'm not trying to just buy a key online and hope for the best or a bootleg copy.

These are original boxed Microsoft sets from Microsoft. Someone bough the OS but didn't install it. I don't even waste my time looking at anything that looks priced too good to be true or shady.

The OS kits I am looking at all include the original product key that was never used and never registered. They generally sell for about $80 up to $110 for the ULTIMATE edition.



Hi :) 

I guarantee for that price they ARE fakes...no matter what they say....

All the best Brett :) 
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February 13, 2013 12:43:36 AM

$80 - $110 for Windows 7 ULTIMATE? Woah, this is not black friday yet, is it? Not even the UPGRADE of the Ultimate cost that cheap. You really need to think over 9000 times before buying it on ebay. Once you made the deal, it may be too late.
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February 13, 2013 12:44:48 AM

You don't need ultimate. There is nothing in ultimate that would make it work better with older programs. Do you even know what ultimate will get you over the other versions?

Just hop on amazon or newegg and buy a copy of win7 home premium. The OEM copy will do and should be cheap.
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February 13, 2013 12:57:07 AM

i'd rather pay full price from a legit store than risk wasting away $80-110 on eBAY for what may possibly be a piece of crud that'll just make me a laughing stock for the seller.

just buy an OEM of Home Premium from somewhere more trustworthy and call it a day.
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February 13, 2013 1:01:02 AM

You state that you did not have an OS on the machine you were building. So you need to purchase a proper install disk. Not an upgrade version. This can also come in handy in times where you may need to reformat your disk and reinstall Windows. Upgrade disk won't be helpful then.

I suggest buying whatever OS you are buying from Microsoft and no where else.
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February 13, 2013 1:15:39 AM

Well...this is part of why I'm asking...before I decided to do anything.

Naturally... if someone is selling their legitimate copy of Ultimate that they don't want, for one reason or another...for about $100 or so.... we would all agree it is surely a good deal.

It just makes me wonder how there could be so many sellers, all with a few years as good established sellers and all with high feed-backs ....and we have to presume all of them are fakes and bootlegs.

I'm not looking at those sellers with low feedback scores or people who became seller a week ago. These are sellers that are 4 or more years...new sellers I didn't even consider.

But the reason I'm thinking Windows 7 Ultimate, is that I read the 64 bit Ultimate system works quite well with older PC games, that came out with Windows 98, XP etc.

If I can use a different version of Windows 7 64 bit, then I'm OK with that too....especially if its cheaper to do so.

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February 13, 2013 1:20:42 AM

OldtimeGamer said:
Well...this is part of why I'm asking...before I decided to do anything.

Naturally... if someone is selling their legitimate copy of Ultimate that they don't want, for one reason or another...for about $100 or so.... we would all agree it is surely a good deal.

It just makes me wonder how there could be so many sellers, all with a few years as good established sellers and all with high feed-backs ....and we have to presume all of them are fakes and bootlegs.

I'm not looking at those sellers with low feedback scores or people who became seller a week ago. These are sellers that are 4 or more years...new sellers I didn't even consider.

But the reason I'm thinking Windows 7 Ultimate, is that I read the 64 bit Ultimate system works quite well with older PC games, that came out with Windows 98, XP etc.

If I can use a different version of Windows 7 64 bit, then I'm OK with that too....especially if its cheaper to do so.


I am not sure if you are referring to windows XP mode, but windows 7 professional is able to do that too. The only main difference between window 7 professional and ultimate is that ultimate is able to change languages. And some other functions that we don't even care about.
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February 13, 2013 1:21:45 AM

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You don't need ultimate. There is nothing in ultimate that would make it work better with older programs. Do you even know what ultimate will get you over the other versions?

Just hop on amazon or newegg and buy a copy of win7 home premium. The OEM copy will do and should be cheap.


Yes...I do. Here is a copy of the link I posted above in my initial question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_Ultimate


If you click on it and then scroll down, it has a nice chart comparing all the versions and their features.

That being said I have never gone beyond Windows Xp, so I have no experience what so ever with teh Windows 7 OS. I only read that the Ultimate version has advantages to run older games quite well. I have no personal experience with that so only relying on what I have read so far.
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February 13, 2013 1:39:07 AM

You need to legally own a valid qualifying previous version of windows to use an upgrade. It is possible to do a clean install with an upgrade version.

Pro has xp mode too so ultimate has no benefit for xp programs over it. But if you have a xp key to use, there are free virtual os software that I have had better luck with.
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February 13, 2013 1:42:11 AM

k1114 said:
You need to legally own a valid qualifying previous version of windows to use an upgrade. It is possible to do a clean install with an upgrade version.

Pro has xp mode too so ultimate has no benefit for xp programs over it. But if you have a xp key to use, there are free virtual os software that I have had better luck with.


I would recommend that also, but he wants to play older games. It will be a terrible gaming experience playing on a virtual OS.
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February 13, 2013 1:54:39 AM

k1114 said:
You need to legally own a valid qualifying previous version of windows to use an upgrade. It is possible to do a clean install with an upgrade version.

Pro has xp mode too so ultimate has no benefit for xp programs over it. But if you have a xp key to use, there are free virtual os software that I have had better luck with.


I had asked the seller about his copy of Windows 7 Ultimate Upgrade he is selling and he replied

"I have used this same type before for a fresh install. It says upgrade on the disc but it let me clean install. I installed first skipped entering product key then restarted the machine and activated the key. Its listed as upgrade merely because that's what the physical disc says. So that's what has to be said and guaranteed. But I have used several for clean installs. But as with any software its sold as is due to the nature of product keys etc."

Anyway...that's what he told me...making me wonder if the UPRGADE version will actually do a clean install as he suggested. .

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February 13, 2013 2:01:29 AM

I made a post earlier of what to search for on google reguarding this but it vanished and i am not sure why.
google search: "Windows 7 clean install with upgrade media"
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February 13, 2013 2:09:59 AM

navalweaponsofficer said:
I made a post earlier of what to search for on google reguarding this but it vanished and i am not sure why.
google search: "Windows 7 clean install with upgrade media"



I thought it was just me. One minute it was there then it was gone...weird huh? I'll check it out
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February 13, 2013 2:24:53 AM

I have done a clean install from an upgrade myself. But it is against the user agreement (it's illegal) to use an upgrade without owning an os that is eligible for an upgrade. This is what I said before, but in different words so hopefully you will understand this time.

Xp mode is a virtual os.
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February 13, 2013 2:32:35 AM

So looking at that wiki page which of those check boxes that only ultimate has will allow you to play older games better? The language pack? They all have the same insides. And XP mode doesn't support 3D acceleration, so no gaming there.

You have to be able to "clean install" with win7 upgrade media as XP is supported as an upgrade option, but you can't "in place" upgrade from XP to win7. When I upgraded from XP to win7 I had to wipe my drive and install from scratch. Even though I had the upgrade disk for win7 As k1114 said you need to own previous version.

I can play Diablo 2 on my 64bit copy of win7. Oldest game I've tried playing.
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February 13, 2013 2:46:57 AM

I think some older games will work with Windows 7. If you really want to play games on Windows XP, you might want to consider dual-booting.
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February 13, 2013 5:00:38 AM

On my w7 64bit, I played starcraft (2 years older than diablo 2; 1998 and 2000 respectively), age of mythology (2002), neverwinter nights (02), warhammer 40k dawn of war + expansions (04-06) just to name a few old titles. If you count dosbox, the oldest game I've played on w7 is The Secret of Monkey Island (1990). Although these aren't installed anymore since I reformatted. What games do you plan on playing? Chances are you don't even need xp mode. I should have brought this up before but I am just realizing how old these games are.
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February 13, 2013 10:59:06 AM

Surprising... I have 2006 game Lego Star wars II and it freezes and crashes on my 2008 laptop like anything. I think it's just my config, tho because it runs on my friend's 2010 machine without a problem.
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February 13, 2013 4:28:53 PM

k1114 said:
I have done a clean install from an upgrade myself. But it is against the user agreement (it's illegal) to use an upgrade without owning an os that is eligible for an upgrade. This is what I said before, but in different words so hopefully you will understand this time.

Xp mode is a virtual os.


Ok...I now follow what your explaining and that it is illegal to install an UPGRADE version, if you don't already have a previous version of Windows OS (whatever) installed.

I didn't realize doing so would be illegal, so thank you for specifically stating that because that option for me is completely off the table.

Its just that I'm in no way computer knowledgeable beyond what most people would consider the basics and this is completely my first build.

I want to do this as inexpensive as possible but 100% legal too. Since the legalities came up.... I'll just say upfront that I'm a police officer. That being said, I don't work cyber crime or any aspects of theft of intellectual property etc, so understanding the laws regarding exactly what is legal and isn't legal is not an expertise I have. I got hurt at work and I'm still laid up on worker comp with a spine injury/surgery for the last two years (ok...enough on what I have to do 40+ hours a week)
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Getting back to Windows 7, I asked my father-in-law about his laptop today since he rarely uses it. (He lives with the wife and I) I checked to see which OS it has and discovered that it has Windows 7 Home Premium service pack 1 (64-bit) installed on it.
So...is it legal to take a copy of his OS from his computer and install it on my new build? (he doesn't have an OS disk...just the OE install from when he bought the computer new from Best Buy) I have a Seagate 1TB external back up hard drive to accomplish the transfer...if it that easy.

Could I then just buy a key right from Microsoft. This way I am confident I wont be buying something that wont wok and it wont be a bootleg etc. If this method is legal (which I'm guessing it is..since the KEY itself, protects Microsoft's property from unauthorized use)? Is buying a key cheaper than buying the entire OS in the box?

If there isn't much of a price difference (boxed version with key vs. just key), then I'd just think about buying the box.

As far as wanting to play old games. I have a few games I'd like to play again like Tomb Raider, Half Life and all its sequels, Quake II and its mission packs/sequels. I have a really old western shoot em up Windows 95 game made by Lucas Arts called Outlaws (I really wish they would re-release that one again for newer OS's...its a lot of fun). I got it to run on XP with all the patches I downloaded and would love to play it on the new Windows 7 set up. My wife has games like Frogger and stuff like that.
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February 13, 2013 8:12:55 PM

You can download windows 7 legally from a couple places for free, or even use someone else's os cd. Most legality issues pertain to the key. Since the laptop cd is not the os cd, it will have all the drivers and bloatware for his laptop and there is no way to not install all of that junk. But I don't think it would even work. Also motherboard drivers will usually conflict and cause crashes and there is no way around this other than a clean install.

It's going to cost the same no matter how you get it. (Except for those shady ebay deals.) The oem version is cheaper than the full or upgrade. The other cheaper option is a student discount if you know of anyone with a student email then you can get them to buy it.

I googled those games and they all work. Some just need a patch or a change in compatibility mode (all windows 7 versions have this).
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February 13, 2013 11:51:44 PM

I was just checking out a thread on moving Windows 7 from one computer to another at: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itproin...

The following was the very last comments about this subject.

Transferring a Windows Desktop license is dependent on the type of License you have...

If you have a Laptop/Desktop PC that came from an OEM manufacturer like (Dell, HP, IBM, SONY, Lenovo, etc.) with an OEM license (Win 7, Vista, XP, etc) you cannot legally transfer the license. OEM licenses are tied to the original machine they are initially installed on. Plus the OEM's further lock down their version of the software so it will only install on a specific machine type they produced.

This is also true for for those pre-installed keys cards (PKC License) that you get to activate whatever version of Office you want on a new PC... They are considered OEM and not transferrable to another PC...

Retail Boxed (Full Version) of Windows for the desktop licenses can be removed from one machine and installed on another as long as it has been longer than 90 days from the last transfer or installation.

BTW: Changing the processor or motherboard to a different board will also void your OEM license since that change makes your PC a NEW PC, requiring you to buy a new license to replace the OEM version...

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/knowthefacts/

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/knowthefacts/licensing....

Product Use Rights Explained: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/confirmation.aspx?...
Volume licenses can generally be transferred freely from one device to another (once every 90 days), but be aware that there are no Volume Licenses for full versions of Windows Desktop software (not in an EA, Select, or Open license). The Windows Desktop Upgrade will only upgrade a Windows PC with an underlying full version OEM or FPP (Retail Boxed) license...

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February 13, 2013 11:54:12 PM

OEM versions of Windows 7 are identical to Full License Retail versions except for the following:

- OEM versions do not offer any free Microsoft direct support from Microsoft support personnel

- OEM licenses are tied to the very first computer you install and activate it on

- OEM versions allow all hardware upgrades except for an upgrade to a different model motherboard

- OEM versions cannot be used to directly upgrade from an older Windows operating system


Microsoft.com ^


OEM vs. Retail

OEM Windows 7 comes preinstalled on computers. This is the cheapest way to buy windows. Large PC manufacturers like Dell, HP etc. (collectively called royalty OEMs) install windows on millions of such PCs. The main characteristics of such systems are:

The license agreement and support agreement is between you and the PC maker, not MS.

Activation by the end user is not required. Windows is preactivated at the factory by the OEM using images and standard SLP keys.

Your copy of windows is locked to that PC. The license is not transferable.

OEM system builder is what you get when you buy from say Newegg or from a local "white box" vendor. It too has the characteristics of Royalty OEM windows. Although it is possible for an individual to buy a System Builder copy, the license requires that the software be installed using the OPK (OEM preinstall kit) and then resold.

Retail version is what you buy from a retailer like Amazon or Bestbuy. Its a full price version that comes packaged in a retail box with a retail product key. It has to be activated online via MS servers using the key on the box, it is not tied to the PC it was first installed on, though it can only be used on a single computer at a time. And, MS directly provides the support for it. It is also more expensive than OEM copies.

As far as functionality is concerned, theres no difference between any of the versions above, given any specific edition (i.e. between OEM pro and retail pro, or between OEM ultimate and retail ultimate).

sevenforums.com

Windows 8 OEM is a whole different ballgame.

License agreement for the transfer of a Windows 8 license
http://personaluselicense.windows.com/en-US/default.asp...
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February 13, 2013 11:56:20 PM

Changing the processor or motherboard to a different board will also void your OEM license since that change makes your PC a NEW PC, requiring you to buy a new license to replace the OEM version... < only a motherboard change will make an OEM license invalid,you can change the CPU.
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February 14, 2013 12:03:17 AM

:o 

That was alot to read through.

@OP: If you are truly considering purchasing Win 7 Ultimate on eBay and it costs only $80-100 then you need to reconsider.

You're better off going through a reputable seller (i.e. Amazon, NewEgg, TigerDirect, etc) in order to get something like that.

There are a few things that you NEVER purchase from eBay:

Computer components (especially electrical ones)
Products that require a serial number or product key (these usually are hacked, faked, or blacklisted by the vendor)

It only takes once to get bit because with eBay they do offer Buyer Protection but it only holds up if the seller admits fault or they do not respond to eBay within a certain timeframe. All they have to do is tell them that the product was sold AS IS (which is usually the case) and they are not held liable at that point.

I don't mean to de-rail the thread with this but you need to consider all your ducks before making a decision like that.
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February 14, 2013 12:13:32 AM

+1

Indeed sir! Indeed!
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February 14, 2013 12:24:13 AM

k1114 said:
You can download windows 7 legally from a couple places for free, or even use someone else's os cd. Most legality issues pertain to the key. Since the laptop cd is not the os cd, it will have all the drivers and bloatware for his laptop and there is no way to not install all of that junk. But I don't think it would even work. Also motherboard drivers will usually conflict and cause crashes and there is no way around this other than a clean install.

It's going to cost the same no matter how you get it. (Except for those shady ebay deals.) The oem version is cheaper than the full or upgrade. The other cheaper option is a student discount if you know of anyone with a student email then you can get them to buy it.

I googled those games and they all work. Some just need a patch or a change in compatibility mode (all windows 7 versions have this).


First...thanks for googling those games in Win 7. It would stink if I could no longer play them.

I was looking at several options including getting Home Premium from my wife's father's laptop, but as you mentioned and as I just posted, sometimes the OS is tied to the specific motherboard etc and you can run into problems. I think as you pointed out...this not my best choice.

Another option I have would be to get a student edition/version through my wife since shes an online student finishing her bachelors degree (but right now she took a semester off, so I don't think she will qualify). When she was forced to buy the XP Student version, she did it that way and it saved us a few bucks.


The other thing I saw, is according to the chart shown here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_Ultimate Home

Premium OS maxes out at 16GB memory for a x64 bit install and my new motherboard is a (Asus F2A55-M/CSM Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard) which can support up to 16GB.

....So Windows 7 Home Premium would be a great match. You mentioned that an OEM version is cheaper than the full or upgrade. I could consider just buying an OEM type install disk with the activation key .....Are there any real advantages (aside of possibly better support) if I buy a retail box vs an OEM disk without the booklet and fancy packaging?


I saw a few people on ebay selling OEM OS instals for Windows 7 Home Premium but was not sure if that was the best approach. Again...I really want to save money but don't want to buy a boot leg or a Dell disk etc, as I saw some sellers are doing (based on feedbacks received).

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Forgive me if a few questions just got answered. You guys just posted about 4-5 replies in the time it took me to figure out what I wanted to say and chicken peck it.
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February 14, 2013 12:46:03 AM

OldtimeGamer said:
First...thanks for googling those games in Win 7. It would stink if I could no longer play them.

I was looking at several options including getting Home Premium from my wife's father's laptop, but as you mentioned and as I just posted, sometimes the OS is tied to the specific motherboard etc and you can run into problems. I think as you pointed out...this not my best choice.

Another option I have would be to get a student edition/version through my wife since shes an online student finishing her bachelors degree (but right now she took a semester off, so I don't think she will qualify). When she was forced to buy the XP Student version, she did it that way and it saved us a few bucks.


The other thing I saw, is according to the chart shown here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_Ultimate Home

Premium OS maxes out at 16GB memory for a x64 bit install and my new motherboard is a (Asus F2A55-M/CSM Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard) which can support up to 16GB.

....So Windows 7 Home Premium would be a great match. You mentioned that an OEM version is cheaper than the full or upgrade. I could consider just buying an OEM type install disk with the activation key .....Are there any real advantages (aside of possibly better support) if I buy a retail box vs an OEM disk without the booklet and fancy packaging?

I saw a few people on ebay selling OEM OS instals for Windows 7 Home Premium but was not sure if that was the best approach. Again...I really want to save money but don't want to buy a boot leg or a Dell disk etc, as I saw some sellers are doing (based on feedbacks received).

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Forgive me if a few questions just got answered. You guys just posted about 4-5 replies in the time it took me to figure out what I wanted to say and chicken peck it.


WOW! Not sure how that happened!!

You definitely DO NOT want to go the avenue of a DELL disc unless you own the computer it's attached to.

DELL branded media (OS in particular) is slipstreamed with the product key for that installation in order to make the install (or reinstall) process "easier" for the end user. DELL media is also locked in two ways: One being the fact that it's an OEM copy, which means it's tied to that motherboard. Two being that the product key is written into the reinstallation media and will not accept anything else.

This is the case because I can remember when we sent out a replacement COA for a customer (which was rare) we had to replace the motherboard as well (imagine that).
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February 14, 2013 12:46:33 AM

The biggest advantage retail has is you can move it as many times as you want. To quote blackbird.

Quote:

- OEM licenses are tied to the very first computer you install and activate it on

- OEM versions allow all hardware upgrades except for an upgrade to a different model motherboard


This means if you ever want to upgrade to a different computer you'd have this same problem again. This might matter to you, or it might not. If you upgrade your PC a lot then you won't want OEM. But you already passed vista and win7 seeing as win8 is out already. So you might not care about this much.
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February 14, 2013 2:04:32 AM

Thanks again for all of you who are trying their best to clarify this for me. I stated the thread thinking I should install Win 7 Ultimate but after learning more I'm pretty sure it would just be a waste of money.

It seems that my best bet is to purchase either an OEM installation disk or a boxed full edition.

Once my gaming build is done, I have no plans to replace either the Asus F2A55-M/CSM Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard or the CPU which is going to be a AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor. I think I'll be pretty happy with my build.... so..I wouldn't be concerned if I can't swap an OEM install key onto another computer, since it will be tied to the original motherboard.

If an OEM is a lot cheaper than the retail package, then OEM seems pretty appealing.

SR-71 Blackbird......I still don't quite understand how EOEM installs are for an....

"individual to buy a System Builder copy, the license requires that the software be installed using the OPK (OEM preinstall kit) and then resold."

If you can't transfer it and it doesn't give you any flexibility to move it to another computer, why must you put it onto a computer ...but then you HAVE to sell it?

Is this because its cheaper to buy and Microsoft sells them specifically cheaper because they understand it wont be retained by the builder?

What if someone builds the "white box" computer for you with parts you supply, puts the OEM OS on it and then sells it to you? Sort of stupid question...but not really. Talk about confusing...at least for me. :pt1cable: 
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February 14, 2013 2:28:11 AM

I just read this link:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/174710/microsoft_says_wi...

which I "think" says you can use a OEM disk legally for your own clean install.

Do I understand this article correctly? How are law abiding folks supposed to follow the law on this stuff.... when half the time you can't even understand them?

But in another article

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/is-it-ok-to-use-oem-wind...

they discuss how Microsoft was very unclear about using OEM OS installs and how Microsoft pulled all references to what they once had written in their rules showing that

"unless the end user is actually assembling his/her own PC, in which case that end user is considered a system builder as well"

Interesting to see that the article says Microsoft scrubbed out all their original wording...Its a short article, well worth reading and makes Microsoft appear to be full of greedy tactics.
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February 14, 2013 2:51:25 AM

Hello again OldtimeGamer

I, for one, am extremely happy with gaming on windows 7; I held out as long as I could on XP because I was worried about compatibility problems with my older games. I, too, considered ultimate because of the 'xp mode' that I thought would be useful for gaming. As far as that all goes, Windows 7 Home Premium has been excellent in all aspects for compatibility. If you go to 'properties', you can set that program to run as if windows xp sp3, windows 2k, windows 95 etc were running it. I've only needed this twice, and you'll run into more hardware compatibility issues for older games than OS at this point. Also, of note, check out gog.com (bonus, system shock 2 is coming tomorrow!!!!); lots of older games, packaged with necessary DOSboxes and other adapting applications to make old games run easier and smoother on windows 7.

As far as licensing goes, get a cheap 64-bit home edition OEM, do not get one off ebay or the like. The main limitation- as you already mentioned- is the 16GB cap on memory. Yes, the OEM sort of 'locks' that license to that machine, but in honesty, it's not as inflexible as it sounds. I've upgraded every piece in my main rig except my case and power supply- mobo included- and that just required a call to Microsoft. Motherboards 'die', manufacturers stop making that particular board, it's understandable (granted, it would be difficult to convince them of moving to a different socket type, such going from your AMD FM2 build to say, an Intel build, or even an AMD AM3+); stick with the same socket and you'll be fine. I've sold my computers with the Win7 OEM- wipe, reformat, reinstall and it's good to go. Just make sure to give them the disc, the little disc book and the OEM product code sticker. It's good practice to just slap that on the back after installing.

If you're concerned, get a full retail copy and never worry; you'll be able to carry that on for as many builds as you want.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


If you want to save a good chunk of money:
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683211698...
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That promo expires in a few hours, but there will be more, and I'm sure this weekend there will be another. -edit, you did sign up for the newegg newsletter, right? If nothing else, do it to save $15-20 on the windows license; occasionally they have a percent sale off ALL windows software, full version included.

Honestly, the parts picking is the hardest part of building; once the pieces are in your possession, it generally takes a few hours- especially if it's been a few years since you've built one- but it's very easy nowadays. SATA>IDE slaves and masters and pin bullcrap. Almost everything is keyed so it will only plug into a specific thing a specific way; off the top of my head, the only two things where that isn't are the case headers, but at worst you just need to play with them til they work (+/-/ground is generally marked on the pieces, as well as the mobo, case and psu manuals), and the AC97 is interchangeable with the HDAUDIO.

Windows usually takes me 20-30 minutes from disc in until it's done. Installing motherboard drivers takes another 20 minutes. So like 4-6 bowls of Fruity Pebbles, depending on how fast you eat them.
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February 14, 2013 9:52:01 AM

windows 7 64 ultimate for the win. no limitations.

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February 14, 2013 11:49:51 AM

Unless he's planning on upgrading to 32GB+ for the 1080p video editting that he never mentioned he's doing, I don't see why. Plus, Win7pro still 'limit's at 192GB; I suppose he could go with a linux distro so he can take full advantage of all 18 exabytes of memory that a true 64-bit OS would allow.
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February 14, 2013 4:22:32 PM

4745454b said:
The biggest advantage retail has is you can move it as many times as you want. To quote blackbird.

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- OEM licenses are tied to the very first computer you install and activate it on

- OEM versions allow all hardware upgrades except for an upgrade to a different model motherboard


This means if you ever want to upgrade to a different computer you'd have this same problem again. This might matter to you, or it might not. If you upgrade your PC a lot then you won't want OEM. But you already passed vista and win7 seeing as win8 is out already. So you might not care about this much.


In my case, I really don't think I will worry about moving the OS onto another computer. I still have my HP a620n (AMD Athlon(B) XP 3200+ 2.20 GHz) desktop with 1GB memory and only AGP (w/ ATI Radeon X850 PRO installed). I bought this system in 2004, so I don't exactly have a track record for keeping up with technology. :D 

I read Windows 8 was not as good as Win 7 for gaming, so I wouldn't be interested in OS 8.

In short...I was happy with XP but my poor old rig is just too outdated and slow to play newer games. I can play DDO.com but it hangs up quite a bit....and I'd also like to try out TERA online.

I looked at pre-built systems but members here convinced me to just build my own system and I'll be happier with the results.

My guess is that by the time I would be ready to step up to another computer, Windows 10 or 11 will be out by that point in time...or whatever they will decide to name their latest OS. In all seriousness, I'm sure it will be at least 5 or more years.

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February 14, 2013 4:35:17 PM

Which is why I said this might not matter to you. 8 is fine for gaming. But people don't like the tiles GUI. I get the feeling an OEM win7 will be fine for you. As you said you don't upgrade much so short of the board dying on you you won't be upgrading it.
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February 14, 2013 4:47:08 PM

I appreciate a couple of you guys hopping over to this new thread on the OS itself. The first thread I started was locked...so I couldn't respond anymore to it.

As you can see I originally started off thinking I needed Win 7 Ultimate (as iceclock suggests) then got steered towards Win 7 Home Premium...maybe even an OEM builders disk, since in my case upgrades in CPU or motherboard seem unlikely.
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February 14, 2013 4:51:30 PM

well its all about ur budget i love ultimate, but windows 7 home premium 64bit. even oem will do the job good. windows8=fail

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February 14, 2013 4:59:17 PM

4745454b said:
Which is why I said this might not matter to you. 8 is fine for gaming. But people don't like the tiles GUI. I get the feeling an OEM win7 will be fine for you. As you said you don't upgrade much so short of the board dying on you you won't be upgrading it.



Well..the motherboard is a (Asus F2A55-M/CSM Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard) which can support up to 16GB.
If I get Win 7 Premium OS it too maxes out at 16GB memory with a x64 bit install.

So I'm thinking to save some money, Premium will be a good route and OEM seems like a good choice too.

Iceclock also made a good point the Ultimate leaves no limitations for the future...a couple good ways to look at it.

That link Joafu pointed out is a pretty good deal too...the entire Win 7 Premium x64 retail boxed set for $99.99

Actually it was the Premium OEM for a about $85 but I missed the sale and its back up to $99.99 again.

I'll have to keep an eye out for them to run the sale again.
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February 14, 2013 5:05:53 PM

iceclock said:
well its all about ur budget i love ultimate, but windows 7 home premium 64bit. even oem will do the job good. windows8=fail


Ultimate would be nice...I see exactly where your coming from but I think it's out of reach in my budget (since my job injury...I'm living off workers compensation checks, which are quite less then a regular full paycheck) :cry: 
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February 15, 2013 12:35:06 AM

get oem 64bit than

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February 15, 2013 1:23:12 AM

Yea...I think the 64 bit Premium OEM will do the trick in my application. I just have to find it at a price around $85 or less like Newegg just had it at.
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