What AMD has done terribly wrong in my mind,is to allow any garage manufacturer to make platforms for their cpu's.Just the opposite to Intel.
I understand AMD's desire for a bigger marketshare,but they should really look back and reconsider their tactics.
IMHO.

Well you have to start somewhere dont ya ? I'm sure your first job wasnt the CEO of Intel ?...more likley flipping burgers in McDonalds.
AMD are gradually moving into the enterprise sector, you will eventually see this when AMD release thier Hammer products for workstation and servers. Besides I could build my own Intel system in a garage if I wanted to anyway .

<font color=purple>~* K6-2 @ 333MHz *~
I don't need a 'Gigahertz' chip to surf the web just yet ;-)</font color=purple>

Whats wrong whit flipping burgers?I do it with pride!

When I built my first AMD there weren't to many platforms at the time. Even a lot of the PC games didn't even have AMD on them.

It you see two computer's identical in hardware, one is for $999 and the other $1,500. And your friend has a piece of paper showing you that the one for $999. is faster. No wonder AMD is gaining in the market.
AMD has change the market. No longer is buying a computer one of the biggest investments you make




defrage is child's play-fdisk

I just built a cheap as possible Duron900 system to my friend and his very happy with it.Only problem so far is that he has a black cursor at random occasions and he can't see where it's pointing.I know it's not Durons fault and I will see to it soon.It'll be a driver probem I'm quite shure.

Now I don't know what else to say but that I hate VIA.

Correct me if I'm wrong but VIA is making chipsets for Intel too. Intel as different chipsets for their processors as well. Maybe it's not what you wanted to say.

It's better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick!

Just go on VIA sites and check your self.
VIA for Intel and AMD aren't same thing.
Intel is extremely strickt on what VIA produces to them.

Well go and see your self on VIA sites.Who has the most problems?
<A HREF="http://forums.viaarena.com/" target="_new">http://forums.viaarena.com/</A>

Asus is hardly a garage based outfit.Intel is sueing(?)via
for making chipsets and boards for Intel. If you buy a garage brand and have problems it's the buyers fault. AMD has had a ton of it's market share taken away in the last quarter by Intel threatening it's (AMD's) customers that offered both products as well as proposed mergers. They have to do what they can to stay in the game, and if thats off-brand componentes so be it.

No Stranger Here

Intel is the dominant in cpu business and it of course wants to keep it that way.But they have also made important standards for the OEM's.
AMD just sells cpu's and collects the profits.
What I originally meant was that AMD doesn't control well enough it's suppliers,they just do their "best" when they publish their products.

At the end if the day public opinion is decided upon the marketing hype a company spews out.
Since Intel have been in the processor biz for longer and are a much larger company people are automatically going to be drawn to Intel processors.
AMD would love to have brand recgonition by suppliers such as Dell but unfortuanely they lack the infrastructure and money to promote thier CPU's. This is why AMD have gone working with small-mid range computer suppliers and not big branded retailers, they simply had no choice.

If AMD had resticted thier processors to special outlets they would have found it very difficult to make a profit, the Athlon would have been a failure.

Saying that AMD are still struggling to make a profit as it is, even though they have already sold 30 million units this year !

AMD would have been in serious debt if they were picky about branded distributors.

<font color=purple>~* K6-2 @ 333MHz *~
I don't need a 'Gigahertz' chip to surf the web just yet ;-)</font color=purple>

Now that I hear ya and relate to...
I can understand what we all desire. I wish AMD had the guts to go make commercials and real marketting. If they had done that, considering they are very gutsy (they mention how the AXP compares to a P4 and how it is better!!) they would be very successful.
They are rising in fame now though, their AXP has been a success because of its PR rating, and not to forget many people are starting to sell AMD only. My local shop does that!
I hope next year they will begin commercials, as the AXP is raking in big cash considering its price and PR are on par with a similar P4, just less costly!

But please don't bash VIA. I mean why does everyone hate them in AMD CPUs? I love the KT266A, it is the best chipset yet, and is even stronger than Nforce for now, I just don't see why you judge them from their past. Sure they have Intel legal problems, but I read somewhere on the THG hard news that Intel finally removed the charges!

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The other day I heard an explosion from the other side of town.... It was a 486 booting up...

"AMD had the GUTS to go make commercials and real marketting"

AMD can't make real marketing because they haven't the means to do it (like eg Intel).
For the moment they invest on Production/Engineering to maintain themself face of Intel.

They sell their products with a very little margin (not as Intel) just to stay in the competition.

I hope that soon as possible they could invest on marketing & advertisement (like eg Intel) to pull up their notoriety (like eg Intel) & pull down Intel


EasyInfo
I would like to Invest for my PC !!
ok, buy nothing.

off course AMD is outside your pb because it's not a cpu problem.


EasyInfo
I would like to Invest for my PC !!
ok, buy nothing.

nothing.


EasyInfo
I would like to Invest for my PC !!
ok, buy nothing.

Nothing what?

i have nothing against whit flipping burgers.


if you know you don't know, the way could be more easy.

That's what Intel Trolls do when they see people having problems with AMD/VIA combo (instead of helping). Unjustly lays the blame squarely on AMD by proclaiming their processors a fragile POS which it is not.

Which company are "garage manufacturers"?

I'm very happy with my NVIDIA 420-D nForce + AXP 1800+ + Windows XP platform. Runs smooth without hangups and I don't have to worry about VIA "issues" (heard that VIA didn't properely support the PCI specifcation in their chipset implementations).

word of mouth is very powerful. amd may not have the big advertising campaigns but they are slowly making a name for themselves and its costing them nothing. we are doing it for them partly by debating about them in this very forum.

just like via, they tend to have a bad name because a handful of people had some problems and are militant about expressing their opinions.

ex: (heard that VIA didn't properely support the PCI specifcation in their chipset implementations).

see.. its all about word of mouth. i think amd knows that its true asset for the time being lies in the tweak freak pc enthusiast.