Revenge of the Sith Review - Short Version

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GUSH!!!

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Werebat wrote:
> Presto wrote:
> > GUSH!!!
>
> You are gushing blood?
>
> Why doesn't R2-D2 recognize Yoda if he knew him in the past and
wasn't
> mindwiped?
>

Because R2 is cool and mystical like that.......

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Mere moments before death, Werebat hastily scrawled:
>
>
>Presto wrote:
>> GUSH!!!
>
>You are gushing blood?
>
>Why doesn't R2-D2 recognize Yoda if he knew him in the past and wasn't
>mindwiped?

What makes you think he doesn't recognize him?



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Sea Wasp <seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote in
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> Ed Chauvin IV wrote:
>> Mere moments before death, Werebat hastily scrawled:
>>
>>>
>>>Presto wrote:
>>>
>>>>GUSH!!!
>>>
>>>You are gushing blood?
>>>
>>>Why doesn't R2-D2 recognize Yoda if he knew him in the past and wasn't
>>>mindwiped?
>>
>>
>> What makes you think he doesn't recognize him?
>
> Because he doesn't warn Luke that this is the incompetent, or else
> malicious, bastard who CAUSED the fall of the republic, and the
> corruption of his father?
>
What makes you think R2D2 would think it a good idea to warn Luke? There's
really nothing to indicate which side the little guy is one, after all.
Perhaps R2 has also been seduced by the Dark Side.

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"Matt Frisch" <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 20 May 2005 09:46:54 -0400, Werebat <ranpoirier@cox.net> scribed
> into the ether:
>
> >
> >
> >Presto wrote:
> >> GUSH!!!
> >
> >You are gushing blood?
> >
> >Why doesn't R2-D2 recognize Yoda if he knew him in the past and wasn't
> >mindwiped?
>
> How does 3P0 not make the connection with "The Maker" and Vader? Why
> wouldn't he recognize Tatooine since that is where he was created and
spent
> his first 10 years (WORKING ON THE SAME FARM LUKE BRINGS HIM TO)?
>
> Putting R2 and 3P0 in the prequels was among some of the stupidest things
> that Lucas did, and given the overall shittiness of Eps 1&2, that's saying
> a lot.

because its star wars..... you mean you actually expected a coherent story
line without gaping holes from lucas?, silly silly silly

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Matt Frisch <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote:
>How does 3P0 not make the connection with "The Maker" and Vader? Why
>wouldn't he recognize Tatooine since that is where he was created and spent
>his first 10 years (WORKING ON THE SAME FARM LUKE BRINGS HIM TO)?

Did you miss Senator Bail Organa ordering C3PO's mind-wiped at
the end when he gave the droids to Wedge Antilles' father?

Jester

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No 33 Secretary wrote:
> Besides, it would be trivial for Lucas to issue yet another revision of the
> original movies to account for it.

Spoiler about the Wookies, probably
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The use of Chewie as a name for the Wookie who escorted him to the escape pod.
Seems ... gratuitious? Do Wookies live that long? Did he show any recognition to
Yoda or that he met a Jedi before in his lifetime?
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donbrinn@gmail.com wrote:
> I remember the "Star Wars Movie Storybook" or somesuch, from the late
> 70s or early 80s, said Chewbacca was 200 years old.

Ah, check. I'd have liked to see more Wookies in 4-6 though. And the
homeworld seemed off to me.
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On Fri, 20 May 2005 19:27:31 GMT, Matt Frisch
<matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> scribed into the ether:

>On Fri, 20 May 2005 09:46:54 -0400, Werebat <ranpoirier@cox.net> scribed
>into the ether:
>
>>
>>
>>Presto wrote:
>>> GUSH!!!
>>
>>You are gushing blood?
>>
>>Why doesn't R2-D2 recognize Yoda if he knew him in the past and wasn't
>>mindwiped?
>
>How does 3P0 not make the connection with "The Maker" and Vader? Why
>wouldn't he recognize Tatooine since that is where he was created and spent
>his first 10 years (WORKING ON THE SAME FARM LUKE BRINGS HIM TO)?
>
>Putting R2 and 3P0 in the prequels was among some of the stupidest things
>that Lucas did, and given the overall shittiness of Eps 1&2, that's saying
>a lot.

Ok, so I saw the movie today, and that explains why 3P0 doesn't remember
anything....

But I stand by my second paragraph!

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On Fri, 20 May 2005 16:13:23 -0700, ~consul
<consul@INVALIDdolphins-cove.com> scribed into the ether:

>donbrinn@gmail.com wrote:
>> I remember the "Star Wars Movie Storybook" or somesuch, from the late
>> 70s or early 80s, said Chewbacca was 200 years old.
>
>Ah, check. I'd have liked to see more Wookies in 4-6 though. And the
>homeworld seemed off to me.

Very off. Time to fire up KOTOR...that's star wars done right.

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Werebat <ranpoirier@cox.net> you up next, work it out now.

>
>
>Presto wrote:
>> GUSH!!!
>
>You are gushing blood?
>
>Why doesn't R2-D2 recognize Yoda if he knew him in the past and wasn't
>mindwiped?
>

For that matter, why doesn't C-3PO mention knowing Yoda when Luke
eventually talks about his training?

Why doesn't R2-D2 fly out of the water on Dagobah?

Why does Luke Skywalker look so normal with parents that look like
that?

Why did light sabers suddenly become heavier so that they require 2
hands to wield?

Why do Sith only make red light sabers?

Why do Jedi (except for Grand Master Shaft) only make green or blue
light sabers?

Did the Empire switch to Detroit for ship design, so that their
creations of 20 years ago run circles around the newer models?

Or was it the standard "lowest bid wins" government contracts?

Is the increasing size of the Empire's wedge-shaped ships a sign of
the Emperor's insecurity?

Why would the Empire switch to Storm Troopers when Clone Troopers
actually hit things they aim their weapons at?

Isn't the Empire a perfect example of restriction of technology and
gun control?

And why would anyone use a "modern" weapon when the ones that are 20+
years old kick so much more ass?

Bill
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"Matt Frisch" <matvse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in message
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> And oh yea...wtf is vp with the Death Star apparently taking more than 20
> years to actvally bvild?

Union labor. Government contracts.

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Mere moments before death, Matt Frisch hastily scrawled:
>On Fri, 20 May 2005 09:46:54 -0400, Werebat <ranpoirier@cox.net> scribed
>into the ether:
>
>>
>>
>>Presto wrote:
>>> GUSH!!!
>>
>>You are gushing blood?
>>
>>Why doesn't R2-D2 recognize Yoda if he knew him in the past and wasn't
>>mindwiped?
>
>How does 3P0 not make the connection with "The Maker" and Vader? Why
>wouldn't he recognize Tatooine since that is where he was created and spent
>his first 10 years (WORKING ON THE SAME FARM LUKE BRINGS HIM TO)?

Because 3P0 **WAS** mindwiped. How is he supposed to remember?

>Putting R2 and 3P0 in the prequels was among some of the stupidest things
>that Lucas did, and given the overall shittiness of Eps 1&2, that's saying
>a lot.

Oh, I take it you haven't /seen/ RotS yet?



Ed Chauvin IV

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Mere moments before death, Matt Frisch hastily scrawled:
>
>And oh yea...wtf is up with the Death Star apparently taking more than 20
>years to actually build? It looks about 10% done at the end of the movie,
>but it doesn't get finished until 1/3rd of the way through Ep 4...huh?

It's a government job and the early completion bonus was probably not
good enough to pay for the necessary overtime.



Ed Chauvin IV

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On Fri, 20 May 2005 19:27:31 GMT, Matt Frisch
<matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrotCRIVE_E

>
>How does 3P0 not make the connection with "The Maker" and Vader? Why
>wouldn't he recognize Tatooine since that is where he was created and spent
>his first 10 years (WORKING ON THE SAME FARM LUKE BRINGS HIM TO)?

Uhm....because they explicitly have his memory erased at the end of
Sith?


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Ed Chauvin IV wrote:

>
> Hopefully, Lucas will write some scripts, die of a massive brain
> embolism and then when we have the technology to bring back Kubrick,
> he'll do 7-9. I'd be willing to wait the hundred years or so it would
> take Kubrick to get it done.

KUBRICK? Dear GOD no. I have seen nothing to indicate he'd have the
faintest idea of how to do a kickass space opera. James Cameron,
possibly. Peter Jackson or Sam Raimi, yes. But Kubrick? His main foray
into SF, 2001, was sluggish and opaque; even if that was his intent,
it shows precisely the wrong mindset for doing a Star Wars movie. It'd
be almost as bad as getting a comedy director in the seat.


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In article <s0ts81d110ilrljdubpguabtrco9t18qh7@4ax.com>,
Lizard <lizard@mrlizard.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 20 May 2005 19:27:31 GMT, Matt Frisch
> <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrotCRIVE_E
>
> >
> >How does 3P0 not make the connection with "The Maker" and Vader? Why
> >wouldn't he recognize Tatooine since that is where he was created and spent
> >his first 10 years (WORKING ON THE SAME FARM LUKE BRINGS HIM TO)?
>
> Uhm....because they explicitly have his memory erased at the end of
> Sith?

You will notice if you watch SW:ANH again that R2D2s actions clearly
show that he knows his way around Tatooine very well indeed. Whereas
C3P0 is toddling along behind going "What do you mean you know where you
are going? We've never been here before!".

R2D2 is an interesting little guy. He plays his cards close to his
chest.

--
Kevin Lowe,
Tasmania.

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On Sat, 21 May 2005 03:14:09 -0400, Ed Chauvin IV wrote:

> Mere moments before death, Matt Frisch hastily scrawled:
>>
>>And oh yea...wtf is up with the Death Star apparently taking more than 20
>>years to actually build? It looks about 10% done at the end of the movie,
>>but it doesn't get finished until 1/3rd of the way through Ep 4...huh?
>
> It's a government job and the early completion bonus was probably not
> good enough to pay for the necessary overtime.

The last Nimitz class carrier, the George H.W. Bush, is currently under
construction and has been for a couple of years.

The expected completion date is in 2008.


The Death Star is much larger.

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In article <t150915k51sm0ijtegkpk0rj907g6vjtmn@4ax.com>,
Matt Frisch <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:40:10 -0400, Rick Pikul <rwpikul@sympatico.ca>
> scribed into the ether:
>
> >On Sat, 21 May 2005 03:14:09 -0400, Ed Chauvin IV wrote:
> >
> >> Mere moments before death, Matt Frisch hastily scrawled:
> >>>
> >>>And oh yea...wtf is up with the Death Star apparently taking more than 20
> >>>years to actually build? It looks about 10% done at the end of the movie,
> >>>but it doesn't get finished until 1/3rd of the way through Ep 4...huh?
> >>
> >> It's a government job and the early completion bonus was probably not
> >> good enough to pay for the necessary overtime.
> >
> > The last Nimitz class carrier, the George H.W. Bush, is currently under
> >construction and has been for a couple of years.
> >
> > The expected completion date is in 2008.
> >
> > The Death Star is much larger.
>
> Expain the speedy construction time of the second death star then. Further,
> if Death Star 1 is ~10% done at the end of Episode 3, and hadn't even
> started construction as of the end of Episode 2, why would it take a
> further 20-odd years?
>
> Having an entire galaxy from which to draw both resources and manpower
> would tend to accelerate the build speed. If the government could afford a
> few more material contractors and to triple the workforce on that carrier,
> it would get done a lot sooner. It isn't like the completion date is
> required by outside forces. The only thing that stops the government from
> doing anything is money or politics. Neither of which is a problem for the
> emperor.

I just saw it, but I've already forgotten. Isn't that scene the last one
of the movie? I was assuming - given the new Star Destroyer model
(without the red stripe like we saw in the beginning), the newer
TIE-like fighters, the "new" familiar Empire uniforms - that when we see
the Death Star under construction, a significant amount of time has
already passed. Of course, it still doesn't explain Obi-Wan's rapid
decline into old age. Unless he comes from a short-lived race.

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Mere moments before death, Matt Frisch hastily scrawled:
>Expain the speedy construction time of the second death star then. Further,
>if Death Star 1 is ~10% done at the end of Episode 3, and hadn't even
>started construction as of the end of Episode 2, why would it take a
>further 20-odd years?

Judging by your estimate of the percentage of the death star was
complete, I'll infer that you've never been directly involved in any
serious construction projects. Nor do you actually have any idea what
you're talking about.



Ed Chauvin IV

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Ed Chauvin IV wrote:

> Hopefully, Lucas will write some scripts, die of a massive brain
> embolism and then when we have the technology to bring back Kubrick,
> he'll do 7-9. I'd be willing to wait the hundred years or so it would
> take Kubrick to get it done.

Awwww.... Hell... comprehending a Kubrick flick is like trying to
explain the objects in a Salvador Dali painting, to a blind
person. Kubrick was a master who cinematically weaved layer upon
layer into a story making it difficult for viewers to intrepret
the characters' various motives and goals. That, with the
additional fact various characters in Kubrick films worked at
cross purposes even when they were allies or comrades created a
tapestry of wonder and delight that could only be duplicated in
Star Wars if the first six scripts (and resulting films)were
burned, and the entire story was rewritten from scratch by
Kubrick's clone... of course.

That being said, is there anyone here who would care to write an
excerpt for a "Kubrick" Star Wars spec script? It would be a good
read, and a better flame war! At least in this NG.

What about Ridley Scott? He'd provide an interestiong take, and
some additional depth into 7-9 as well.

Re,
Dirk

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Wildwood wrote:
> Henry Chen <mr_o_chen@hotmail.com> you up next, work it out now.
>
>
>>Of course, it still doesn't explain Obi-Wan's rapid
>>decline into old age. Unless he comes from a short-lived race.
>
>
> Or maybe he thinks that he could have stopped something bad from
> happening by actually making sure a job WAS completed instead of just
> assuming it was...
>
> Stress ages many people before time can.

An excellent example of this is Jimmy Carter. He entered the White
House looking younger than his true age, and left it looking ten years
OLDER than his true age.




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On Sun, 22 May 2005 05:12:58 +0000, Matt Frisch wrote:

> On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:40:10 -0400, Rick Pikul <rwpikul@sympatico.ca>
> scribed into the ether:
>
>>On Sat, 21 May 2005 03:14:09 -0400, Ed Chauvin IV wrote:
>>
>>> Mere moments before death, Matt Frisch hastily scrawled:
>>>>
>>>>And oh yea...wtf is up with the Death Star apparently taking more than 20
>>>>years to actually build? It looks about 10% done at the end of the movie,
>>>>but it doesn't get finished until 1/3rd of the way through Ep 4...huh?
>>>
>>> It's a government job and the early completion bonus was probably not
>>> good enough to pay for the necessary overtime.
>>
>> The last Nimitz class carrier, the George H.W. Bush, is currently under
>>construction and has been for a couple of years.
>>
>> The expected completion date is in 2008.
>>
>> The Death Star is much larger.
>
> Expain the speedy construction time of the second death star then.

It was a crash build, they had already built one, and it was nowhere near
finished.

> Further,
> if Death Star 1 is ~10% done at the end of Episode 3, and hadn't even
> started construction as of the end of Episode 2, why would it take a
> further 20-odd years?

Gross structure always goes faster than the detail work.

This is one of the reasons liberty ships could be built so fast: There
was very little in their construction that was not gross structure, and
what there was could be done almost entirely off site and installed as
gross structual units.

> Having an entire galaxy from which to draw both resources and manpower
> would tend to accelerate the build speed. If the government could afford a
> few more material contractors and to triple the workforce on that carrier,
> it would get done a lot sooner. It isn't like the completion date is
> required by outside forces. The only thing that stops the government from
> doing anything is money or politics. Neither of which is a problem for the
> emperor.

There is a limit to how much you can speed things up by throwing men and
money at it. As for the RL Nimitzs, even during the Reagen era they took
years to build, (crash build projects might get that down to a year[1],
but I wouldn't put money on it).


[1] Which is still about 11 months too slow if the balloon had gone up.

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Dirk Collins wrote:

> Still think that 2001 is sluggish and opaque?

Yep. Sluggish as hell, and opaque as the Hudson River. Clarke's novel
explicated material that Kubrick seemed hell-bent on making
unintelligible, and certainly flowed a LOT better.


How would you make it
> different?

I wouldn't. The "story arcs" you describe (which don't fit my
definition of "story arc", so we were talking at cross purposes; I saw
all of those rather obvious plot elements when I read the book) are
mostly things I wouldn't be interested in writing.


>What do you consider a good Sci-Fi movie?

Forbidden Planet is a good one of the old school. Alien and Aliens
were cool. The original Star Wars, naturally -- though it depends on
what you are including under the "Sci-Fi" banner. If we're talking
about any speculative fiction material, the possibilities widen. If
we're discussing mostly space-opera, there's different tracks I could
go off on -- Char's Counterattack or Crusher Joe would certainly rate
mention (even if the former did have continuity problems with respect
to the originating series). And must it be just theatrical movies, or
do we include TV series and/or OVAs as well?



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Sea Wasp wrote:

>> What do you consider a good Sci-Fi movie?
>
>
> Forbidden Planet is a good one of the old school. Alien and Aliens
> were cool. The original Star Wars, naturally -- though it depends on
> what you are including under the "Sci-Fi" banner. If we're talking about
> any speculative fiction material, the possibilities widen. If we're
> discussing mostly space-opera, there's different tracks I could go off
> on -- Char's Counterattack or Crusher Joe would certainly rate mention
> (even if the former did have continuity problems with respect to the
> originating series). And must it be just theatrical movies, or do we
> include TV series and/or OVAs as well?

I go thumbs up on all four of the movies you mentioned, and don't
keep up with current space-opera or TV series much, though I
really liked Lost In Space, Kolchak: The Night Stalker, Battlestar
Galactica, X-files, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Lost World, Dark
Angel, BG 2005, Some episodes of Stargate SG-1, Star Trek (the
original, TNG, DS-9 & Voyager), Farscape, Space: Above & Beyond,
Twin Peaks, the short-lived Firefly, the early episodes of
Seaquest DSV, and the first season of Lexx.

Of sci-fi movies, I would count Stargate, Beastmaster, and Pitch
Black among my favorites.

Has anyone seen, or can otherwise comment on Stargate Atlantis,
Urban Gothic, and/or Mutant X?

Finally, I look forward to seeing the newly released "War of the
Worlds". Just to keep this on topic, H.G. Wells was an avid gamer!

Re,
Dirk