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After hearing the complaints from people who simply do not want to spend over $300 on a processor...

There are now 1.8GHz and 1.6GHz versions of the Northwood available. These have the same kind and amount of cache (512MB) as the 2.0GHz and 2.2GHz versions, but are simply clocked slower to sell at a lower price point. They should overclock extremely well as they are really being underclocked when sold at these speeds.

Thusfar they have not made their way on to PriceWatch, but they are at a few vendors, including <A HREF="http://store.yahoo.com/upsource/cpus-pentium-4--socket-478-.html" target="_new">this</A> one, selling at about the same price as the Willamette versions. After prices on these stabilize in a week or two we will have to take a look at the price/performance ratio of these lower speed processors. I would not be surprised to find 1.6GHz Northwood Pentium 4 processors that will overclock to speeds nearly as high as the 2GHz version.

-Raystonn

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Hey that's great Ray, glad to see some P4s that will allow us to know how they perform at these speeds. Of course it'll be of interest to first test, then OC them to the best. At least they will be at a decent price for OCing.

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Reply to eden

http://www.theinquirer.net/10010205.htm

dont speak so soon rayy

low vollumes=high prices

"Intel said that it expected these special Pentium 4 chips only to be available in low volumes, and so that adds a further level of complication to the current situation."

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Reply to Matisaro

Smaller dice size = more production
.13 micron are use in a half of there cpu.

http://gamershq.madonion.com/produ [...] id=2310900

Reply to juin

INTEL IS LIMITING THE PRODUCTION OF THOSE PARTS JUIN, WTF DOES YOUR POST HAVE TO DO WITH THE ARTICLE!

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Reply to Matisaro

[evil grin]I bet I could overclock the bejesus out of them with my water cooler.[/evil grin]

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Reply to Negaverse23

>I would not be surprised to find 1.6GHz Northwood Pentium
>4 processors that will overclock to speeds nearly as high
>as the 2GHz version.

Im pretty sure the cpu could.. but wouldnt you have unmanageble high pci and agp multipliers if you try to overclock a 1.6 Ghz P4 to 2.2+ ? Just a question.. too bad there is no multiplier pencil trick for these NW babies..

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Reply to Anonymous

i wonder if they will beat AMD XP 1600+ and 1800+, it will be nice to the benchmarks of NW1.6 and 1.8 against XP's 1600+ and 1800+ based on DDR ram.

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Reply to blue_heart

w00t! Thanks for the hard to find link, Raystonn.

Now I'm not sure whether I should wait for Thoroughbred, or buy a Northwood before :frown:

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Reply to FatBurger

TRANSLATION

I think this is what he is trying to say.

He doesn't understand why intel is going to limit the production of their 1.6, 1.8 chip because the .13 micron is half the size and that means their should be alot more of them.

I could be wrong...

Reply to wwildbh

The article explains why they are limiting production (if i recall correctly). His comment made no sense and was totally off topic.

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Reply to Matisaro

<A HREF="http://www.resellerratings.com/cgi-bin/reseller/vendone.cgi?UpgradeSource" target="_new">Its rating</A>. I would wait for a little while till other places have them.

:smile: Good or Bad have no meaning at all, depends on what your point of view is.

Reply to khha4113

Good call. I wouldn't buy from them anyway, but thanks.

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Reply to FatBurger

"INTEL IS LIMITING THE PRODUCTION OF THOSE PARTS JUIN, WTF DOES YOUR POST HAVE TO DO WITH THE ARTICLE!"

dude, I can see the veins pop out of your forehead(shape of an L) the foam coming out of your mouth hitting your monitor, LOL! AMDmongrel belligerent life must be horrible...suggest you go for a series of rabie shots.

Q:what does the Inquierer have to do with what Intel is doing?

A:Absolutely Nothing.

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Reply to AmdMELTDOWN

Oh yes, the ever so accurate Inquirer. These lower clocked Northwoods are just going to be so much more expensive than their Willamette counterparts. Oh wait... will you look at that. They are about the same price at that link. Hmmm. Say, these Inquirer guys would not happen to be the same ones that quoted the much higher prices for the initial release of the 2GHz and 2.2GHz Northwoods, would they? Hmmm.

-Raystonn

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Im pretty sure the cpu could.. but wouldnt you have unmanageble high pci and agp multipliers if you try to overclock a 1.6 Ghz P4 to 2.2+ ? Just a question.. too bad there is no multiplier pencil trick for these NW babies..

Multiplier tricks are not needed for Intel-based systems. Go grab an Abit TH7II motherboard. You can lock the PCI/AGP at 33/66, regardless of the FSB setting. You can also set the memory multiplier down from 4x to 3x, allowing you to effectively overclock the processor by 33% on a 533MHz FSB without overclocking the memory, AGP, or PCI. Moving past the 533MHz FSB (or flipping back up to a 4x memory multiplier) will start overclocking the memory, but the AGP and PCI will still remain fixed at their standard speeds.

-Raystonn

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Umm, the register did not say they would be overpriced, they said they would be in short supply.

Perhaps you should read the articles better before making sarcastic comments?

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Reply to Matisaro

Quote :

I think this is what (Juin) is trying to say.

He doesn't understand why intel is going to limit the production of their 1.6, 1.8 chip because the .13 micron is half the size and that means their should be alot more of them.

I could be wrong...

Juin is like R2D2 ... he needs a C3PO by his side constantly so the rest of us can understand what the hell he is trying to say.

Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.

Reply to tlaughrey

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INTEL IS LIMITING THE PRODUCTION OF THOSE PARTS JUIN, WTF DOES YOUR POST HAVE TO DO WITH THE ARTICLE

sorry matisaro, unlike amd, intel can afford to sell things cheaper even if they are at a lower volume.. and if the chips are simply clocked lower, they could come off the same production line as the higher clocked chips.

Now run along and turn caps lock off little troll

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Reply to Intel_inside

Do you just follow Matisaro around to call him a troll whenever he says something? It sure seems like it and it's getting pretty irritating. You, of all people, should not be calling anyone a troll. I'm sure we can dig up some of your finer moments here on the boards if necessary.

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Reply to tlaughrey

if I find another lunatic poster I will gladly call them a troll as well

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Reply to Intel_inside

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Juin is like R2D2 ... he needs a C3PO by his side constantly so the rest of us can understand what the hell he is trying to say.

OMG ROFLMAO.....Make that the sig of the week!!

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Reply to dhlucke

lol maybe the guy's first language isn't english?

Typical ignorance

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Reply to Intel_inside

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Umm, the register did not say they would be overpriced, they said they would be in short supply.

And they are not... These new reports are just as accurate as the reports on the release price of the Northwoods. (i.e. They are completely wrong.)

-Raystonn

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Reply to Raystonn

I would love to see that up top. Right after "Hi mom!" :wink:

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Reply to FatBurger

The article merely says they are limiting production.

Intel does not control the price which a part goes for on the market, as you can see by looking at nw's retail price. If there is a limited supply of a thing(1.6-1.8ghz NW) then the price for that thing will be increased, it is the law of supply and demand.

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Reply to Matisaro

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And they are not... These new reports are just as accurate as the reports on the release price of the Northwoods. (i.e. They are completely wrong.)

-Raystonn

I suppose I will take your word for it then huh rayy.

PS: the registers predicted northwood price was right around what intel sells them at, and is way less than you have to pay for them now.

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Reply to Matisaro

We all know his first language isn't English, it's French. It's not that we have anything against French-speaking people, we just have a hard time deciphering his attempts at English. He's been encouraged to find a good translator, but I guess he prefers to just tough it out on his own.

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Reply to tlaughrey

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PS: the registers predicted northwood price was right around what intel sells them at, and is way less than you have to pay for them now.

From <A HREF="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/22922.html" target="_new">The Register (bottom of the page)</A>: 2.0, 2.2GHz Pentium 4 - 0.13 micron Northwood A, 512KB L2, 400MHz FSB - Launch price: $420/$610

Real release prices for these processors: $364/$562

Current prices from retailers: $370/$597

The Register's prices were "right around" Intel's prices? No.
The Register's prices are "way less than you have to pay for them now"? This could not be more wrong. Reality is exactly the reverse.

-Raystonn

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Reply to Raystonn

Ironically, you still like to use it when it suits your need!
<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=faq¬found=1&code=1" target="_new">http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=faq¬found=1&code=1</A>

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Reply to khha4113

ray, a difference of 40 bucks for a prediction is MOST DEFFINATLY imo close to the real launch price.

The last time I checked pricewatch the northwood 2.2 was going for 650, in fact in another thread you accused retailers of unfair pricing. That is what that statement was about, if the circumstances of the current pricing have changed, then I retract that facet of my statement.

The registers predicted price was rather close, and your second point was invalid as stated above.

NOW, the register is reporting intel is limiting nw 1.6 and 1.8 production, which appears to follow logic.

Is the fact you dont think the register is reputable your ONLY defence to this claim?

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Reply to Matisaro

Ironically, you still like to use it when it suits your need!
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/mod [...] d=1&code=1

Lol, more hypocrasy.

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Reply to Matisaro

I did in the past, sure. They used to be fairly accurate. But lately they have been wrong more and more. I no longer trust them.

-Raystonn

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Reply to Raystonn

Sorry, but isn't fairly accurate meaning sometimes it still gets a few wrong? Beside Northwood prices, is there any?

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Reply to khha4113

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ray, a difference of 40 bucks for a prediction is MOST DEFFINATLY imo close to the real launch price.

The differences are $56 and $48. That is not what I would call close. If someone quoted a price of $397 for the 1.67GHz Athlon (XP 2000) launch price, would you call that close?

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The last time I checked pricewatch the northwood 2.2 was going for 650

That is no longer the case, check again.

Quote :

in fact in another thread you accused retailers of unfair pricing.

In fact those prices definately were unreasonable. I am glad they have corrected the situation.

Quote :

The registers predicted price was rather close, and your second point was invalid as stated above.

The Register's prices were not accurate and not close. To what 'second point' do you refer? I am starting to have trouble following your argument. It is not making sense.

-Raystonn

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Reply to Raystonn

Hypocrisy, not hypocrasy.

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Reply to FatBurger

Up until now they have always had the exact prices and been exactly dead on with regards to release prices for Intel and AMD. Now all of a sudden they are $58 too high and, according to Matisaro, reporting Northwood shortages that do not exist. My trust in them has faded.

-Raystonn

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Reply to Raystonn

Quote :

The differences are $56 and $48. That is not what I would call close. If someone quoted a price of $397 for the 1.67GHz Athlon (XP 2000) launch price, would you call that close?

A difference of oppion then, I feel that it is very close.

Quote :

That is no longer the case, check again.

That is the case, there are 2 retailers selling at near suggested price, then immediatly back to the 650 range. I dont even think the one retaier who is selling at that price has a very good reseller rating.

Quote :

In fact those prices definately were unreasonable. I am glad they have corrected the situation.

Only 2 retailers have corrected the situation, hopefully the rest will, but it still is an issue at this time.

Quote :

The Register's prices were not accurate and not close.

A personal oppinion, we dissagree, to use your feelings on the subject to invalidate mine is pointless. I feel the registers predictions were damn close, and the fact that they were BELOW what you needed to pay to get the processor from retailers says alot.(at least untill now).

Quote :

To what 'second point' do you refer? I am starting to have trouble following your argument. It is not making sense.

I made 3 points, you made 3 counter points, your second counter point was the register was wrong, my comments are perfectly understandable, if there was a miscommunication it was not on my part.

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Reply to Matisaro

Quote :

There are 11 retailers selling at under $650 (although the 11th is at $649). A further 6 are above that, the highest being $679. Or were you talking only about retail models?

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Reply to FatBurger

I looked at the results from 2.2 512k, that list had 2 below 600, the rest above.

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Reply to Matisaro

Go <A HREF="http://httpwww.pricewatch.com" target="_new">here</A>, click on CPU, click on "Pentium 4 2.2GHz Sock 478", and there you go. 17 total, 11 under $650.

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Reply to FatBurger

I wouldn't trust pricewatch at this moment. Half those vendors have really bad <A HREF="http://www.resellerratings.com/" target="_new">ratings</A>, and even if we go off of the well trusted newegg.com, they quote $609 on pricewatch, but $669 on their website and they're constantly in and out of stock.

God Bless America!

Reply to dhlucke

Hmm. Using the "next generation" standard bus speed of 133MHz (QDR533), you can take the 1800 to 2400. Using non-standard bus speeds it might go higher. For a $250 CPU this is not too shabby. I think Raystonn mentioned that most Samsung PC800 will do PC1066 speed?

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

Reply to Crashman

whats up with you?
i dont see any links or hard proof that a 800Mhz module will withstand 1066Mhz!

"Yea lats just go buy 2.2Ghz+800Mhz samsung and overclock it and live happily ever after..duh"

you are so on the hype..


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Reply to LoveGuRu

There is a disclaimer on there that says their stock is questionable so I called them. Nobody ever picked up. I then looked them up and found out they have a 2.6/7.0 rating with comments that are very discouraging.

I wouldn't exactly say that these processors are available yet.

However, when they do make it to the market they will surely be competitive if these prices are anything to judge by and their performance holds up.

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Reply to dhlucke

What's wrong with you? Did you not eat your bran flakes this morning?
All I said was I thought Raystonn mentioned that Samsung PC800 would do 1066, you'll have to ask HIM for the details.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

Reply to Crashman

heh.

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