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October 14, 2003 6:34:53 PM

This kinda follows from the previous "Clevo - clever" thread, but its really about a new issue so I said I'd start a new post.

First lets get the ranting off my chest. I am about to buy I laptop, so I decided to look at the Dell website because I find the customisable service pretty good, but I was astonished by the prices of the Pentium-M processors on that site, (are they really that expensive?). Instead I thought I might just get a laptop with a P4, and save a little money but Dells best graphics cards are pants, and they don't even put the best ones in the models that have the P4.

I decided that I might have to bite the bullet and fork over my hard earned cash on the M60, but then I noticed how much extra I would have to pay for 1GB of RAM. My eventual spec came out at €4,800 ( = $4,800) which is ridiculuos.


So now to the questions,

1) Does anyone know if Dell will be installing an ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 graphics card in their laptops soon. (I think RaPTuRe said that the laptops are equipped to handle it.)

2) Would it be relatively simple to buy the laptop with very little RAM, then buy and install extra RAM myself? (I could easily do this on a desktop model, but I don't know much about the layout of laptop hardware.)

Thanks for bearing with the outburst at the beginning, I'll be very grateful for any suggestions/help.

Carln

P.S. okietex, you must have very deep pockets to splash out on the M60, surely the SAGER 5680 that you were also looking at was vastly cheaper!!!! (sure maybe your a millionaire :-) if you are send me some $$)

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by carln on 10/14/03 04:30 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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October 14, 2003 9:40:41 PM

To answer your first question, no-one is certain whether or not Dell will actually use the M10. Although they do have working samples that would "fit" in the 8500/8600/D800/M60 notebooks - Dell works in mysterious ways...

Your second question: It is much cheaper to purchase your notebook with only 128MB of RAM, and then purchasing your own stick(s) of Memory separately from another source. Most people who are budget consciencious do this, I know I did. It is best, however to use Samsung based memory, or any major brand such as Kingston/Crucial/TwinMos PC2700 (333MHz) DDR SO-DIMM sticks.

Tell me, what does the M60 have that the D800 does not? A longer warranty? Better support? The only difference that I can see, is graphics card. They even LOOK the same. Other than that, the M60 has the 'option' of a faster HDD, but if you call Dell, they will add the HDD to the D800 if you insist on it - alternately you could buy one afterwards: would be cheaper.

I configured a D800 and an M60 identically:
-Pentium-M 1.7GHz
-WUXGA
-1024MB 2DIMM
-40GB 5400rpm
-DVD+R/+RW
-TrueMobile 1400 Wireless
-GeForce 4 Go 4200 64MB / Quadro FX Go700 128MB
-WinXP Professional SP1 (No Media)

D800 = $3534 / M60 = $4215

Don't tell me the graphics card costs $700. Granted, the difference between the graphics cards is fairly substantial, however I, personally, would rather have a GeForce 4 4200 than a GeForce FX - It plays games better for the time being, and will be for the next 6months if not a year.

Furthermore, the Precision charges nearly $100 more to upgrade to 1GB of RAM?! And for some reason the Wireless card is $30 cheaper on the Latitude?! The card is IDENTICAL: why the price increase?

Sorry about that, you had a bit of a rant, so I thought I would join you.

Anyway, the D800 and the M60 use the same motherboard, and identical components save for the Graphics Adapter. I can't understand how Dell can justify $700 between the two... Better support? whatever.

RaPTuRe




Who's General Failure and why's he reading my disk?
October 15, 2003 12:05:23 AM

Carln, hehehe ... not a millionaire!

But, I ordered several things from dell on that order and I received a so-so discount from them and a stackable coupon. I thought I did better at first until I figured it out again. Basically, I have on order a $2800 +/- M60 and then I have to buy the RAM later (Going with Crucial.com on that and getting 1gb).

So, a 5680 -- equipped similarily was around $2400-$2500 or so. This, of course, is off my memory and that could be going so I'd need to look at my bills again. I'll find out for sure and let you know what I ordered (or waiting for it to start being built!).

Basically, I went with the M60 b/c I had discounts -- but the D800 would be a good one as well and it matches up with the M60 except for video as I understand it and I'll have to read RaPTure's message as I just skimmed it but he's up on those specs more than I.

Here's some $$$$$s for you .... that enough!! ;) 

Here's those specs on what I ordered:

1.60GHz,Pentium M 400MHz FSB,15.4 UltraSharp WUXGA,Dell Precision M60
256MB,Double Data Rate SDRAM, 2x128,Dell Precision M60, Factory Install
NVIDIA Quadro FX Go700 graphics with 128 MB DDR VideoMemory for Precision M60
60GB,IDE, Hard Disk Drive 9.5mm,72oo RPM,Dell Precision M60,Factory Install
Floppy Drive, Internal/ External, Dell Precision M60
WINDOWS XP Pro SP1,NTFS With Media, Dell Precision M60,English,Factory Install
Dell TrueMobileTM 300 Bluetooth M60, Factory Install
Internal 56K Modem,Dell Precision M60,Factory Install
24-10-24X CDRW for Precision M60, Factory
Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 WLAN (802.11b) miniPCI Card M60,Factory Install
8X DVD with Software Plus D-Bay,for Precision M60, Factory Install
9-Cell Primary Battery, Dell Precision M60, Factory Install
6-Cell Secondary Battery, DellPrecision M60, Factory Install
Type 3 Contract - Next Business Day Parts and Labor On-Site Response, Initial Year
Type 3 Contract - Next Business Day Parts and Labor On-Site Response, 2YR Extended
Standard On-Site Installation Declined


Sub-Total $2,657.70
Shipping $0.00
Tax $206.00
Total Price $2,863.70
+ RAM FROM CRUCIAL ...

And, just configured a SAGER 5680 - trying to get comparable in specs - $2532.00 ...

so, I'll be spending an "extra" $500 +/- on the M60.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by okietex on 10/14/03 08:14 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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October 15, 2003 6:04:34 PM

You obviously did your homework better than me oki, I think you were right to buy the dell if the difference was that size, I probably would myself too.

I e-mailed Dell yesterday asking them about the ATI card, the response said yes the workstation is avaiable with the 128MB graphics card. (The reply did not mention the word ATI or Radeon once.) I will ring them tomorrow to clarify the situation.

Just so I can go in with a clear head, is the ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 definitely a better card than the nVidia Quadro FX Go700.

Thanks again.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by carln on 10/15/03 02:06 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
October 15, 2003 7:23:23 PM

Carln .... i don't know about the 9600 vs Go700. RAP might know of some tests somewhere.

I know that these guys love the ATI 9600 though -- and I love my 9800 Pro for my desktop. Other than that, I didn't go check out any benchmarks. However, I did get input from other M60 owners and they said if you are doing high-end modeling etc... then the Go700 would be a great card. But, if doing majority of gaming, the 9600 would be the better card ... so, I play a little games but not much. I just wanted a nice system to last a while so opted for the M60. The pricing between the D800 and M60 wasn't that much so that was my reasoning for it (IF you don't get your RAM from Dell.... as RAP pointed out).

HTH some ... -ot

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October 15, 2003 8:17:58 PM

Sorry, I don't know of any BenchMarks as such, but the QuadroFX Go 700 is just an FX go 5650 with different drivers. Therefore, it will perform more or less the same (actually less, as it is designed more for workstation use than games) than the 5650.

Tom did some benchmarks a month ago between the FX go 5600 and the M10 - the M10 is clearly the better graphics card, even in the 'desktop' arena - plus it doesn't have those quirky nVidia drivers... :p 

Suffice it to say, the Go700 is coupled with the M60 is probably the best performance 'notebook' (not laptop) that you will get.

RaPs

...ot, it would be nice if you could keep us updated as to your order, and post about it when you receive the notebook

best of luck.


Who's General Failure and why's he reading my disk?
October 15, 2003 8:30:09 PM

well, here's the update -- ordered Oct 1 -- all other items ordered have been delivered ... :)  -- now, M60 -- still in production .. called this morning to talk to someone who might "why" ... no luck. Same thing she told me that is on my order status screen. Around 10/21-10/23 delivery date. but, no kitting yet .... if/when I get it, I'll try to post something on it.

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October 15, 2003 9:22:20 PM

Word of advice, the "Order Status" is quite random, IMO. My notebook was delivered, even though the online order status still said it was in testing... slightly worrying, but certainly welcome! I received it within 10 days of ordering it.

RaPs

Who's General Failure and why's he reading my disk?
October 15, 2003 11:13:24 PM

well, as with 4 servers and an LCD -- all were good and delivered within 10-12 days. The M60 - from what I've heard from other M60 people who have ordered -- they are having a shortage on the screen. So ... we'll see!

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October 16, 2003 3:34:31 PM

"1) Does anyone know if Dell will be installing an ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 graphics card in their laptops soon. (I think RaPTuRe said that the laptops are equipped to handle it.)"

They just started selling their inspiron 8600 with the ATI 9600 in France. Don't know about other countries or other laptops yet.
October 16, 2003 6:09:32 PM

That's good news, Carln. If France is selling their notebooks with the M10, then the UK and US will not be far behind...

RaPTuRe

Who's General Failure and why's he reading my disk?
October 17, 2003 1:34:57 AM

Raptor I called dell tech support and was told that they would have a notebook with the 9600 out by november, most likely the i8600 but they told me that they may upgrade the 600m as well! If the 600m gets an m10 there is no force on this earth that will keep me from buying one

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October 17, 2003 12:35:41 PM

I had a look for the 600m on the Dell website but I couldn't find it, is there any chance you could give me a few more details.

Thanks
October 17, 2003 12:44:15 PM

Hey kayatai,

Is that on the French Dell website you got that info, cos I had a quick look on the french version of the website and I couldn't find it (but the last time I read a word of French is over four years ago, and even then I wasn't too hot at it). Could you post a link to the page by any chance.

Thanks
October 17, 2003 3:55:35 PM

Well, after the 3rd dely now from Dell (rumor is it's a screen delay), I have cancelled my M60. Probably not anything Dell can do and don't blame them on it. But, I more than anything have gotten cold feet as I see more 9600s spring to the market and will just wait it out a bit more!!

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October 17, 2003 5:13:55 PM

I know how you feel, my feet have gotten so cold at this stage I bathe them in liquid nitrogen to warm up ;-)
October 17, 2003 10:08:11 PM

Awesome. I can hardly wait...

Who's General Failure and why's he reading my disk?
October 18, 2003 10:04:22 PM

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