Invisible Blade PrC - Questions

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I got Complete Warrior today. Looks real good, real interesting. What
really caught my eye was the Invisible Blade. Quite flavourful and
intriguing. But, a few things are puzzling to me...

Why oh why are point blank shot and far shot prereq feats? I don't get
it at all. Maybe if this was just a dagger fighter, but the class is
specifically open to punching daggers and kukris as well.

Also, is the class's sneak attack abilities usable at range? I mean,
there's nothing saying it's not, and the feat prereqs suggest it can,
but...it's other abilities are feinting. It seems so...against type.

 

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<snikers000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I got Complete Warrior today. Looks real good, real interesting. What
> really caught my eye was the Invisible Blade. Quite flavourful and
> intriguing. But, a few things are puzzling to me...
>
> Why oh why are point blank shot and far shot prereq feats? I don't
> get
> it at all. Maybe if this was just a dagger fighter, but the class is
> specifically open to punching daggers and kukris as well.
>
> Also, is the class's sneak attack abilities usable at range? I mean,
> there's nothing saying it's not, and the feat prereqs suggest it
> can,
> but...it's other abilities are feinting. It seems so...against type.

Not sure why those are the required feats but I have an interesting
character right now that is just starting this class.

A Halfling Rogue 4/ Fighter 5/ Master Thrower 1 / Invisible Blade 1

I plan on working on Blade levels finishing that class or getting
as far as I can, depending on how long the game actually goes.

Taking thrower and blade has limited my fighting style a bit but
I have gotten a good drop on a few enemies resulting in faster
combat resolution for my party.

I'll post more progress as I moving up in levels in blade.

I would say in most instances a rogue or anybody with sneak
attack ability can sneak out to a range of 30 feet unless the
skill specifically says otherwise. Don't quote me on that right now
since I don't have my books handy but when I get to them
I'll double check.

Feints are all about setting up for that next sneak attack
and when you are forced to fight with daggers against
obviously bigger foes, the more sneaks you get the
better off you are. As we all know.

 

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snikers000@hotmail.com wrote:
> I got Complete Warrior today. Looks real good, real interesting. What
> really caught my eye was the Invisible Blade. Quite flavourful and
> intriguing. But, a few things are puzzling to me...
>
> Why oh why are point blank shot and far shot prereq feats? I don't get
> it at all. Maybe if this was just a dagger fighter, but the class is
> specifically open to punching daggers and kukris as well.
>
> Also, is the class's sneak attack abilities usable at range? I mean,
> there's nothing saying it's not, and the feat prereqs suggest it can,
> but...it's other abilities are feinting. It seems so...against type.

Kind of a long story. Basically, when the original Invisible Blade was
created, the original creator of the PrC (whose name escapes me at the
moment) was asked to make it more "thrower-friendly", which resulted in
the prerequisites now listed. Some class abilities were also changed,
so it was more of a cross between the current Invisible Blade and the
Master Thrower.

However, later in the development process, they decided to split the
PrC into a separate "thrower" and a "melee" PrC. Thus, the Master
Thrower PrC was born, and the Invisible Blade PrC was changed to its
current state. Unfortunately, they neglected to modify the
prerequisites for the Invisible Blade.

The original creator of the PrC has suggested a revision to the PrC: he
says the prerequisites should be changed to Weapon Finesse, Point Blank
Shot, and Weapon Focus (dagger, kukri, or punching dagger).

Laszlo

 

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On 24 May 2005 19:23:55 -0700, snikers000@hotmail.com scribed into the
ether:

>I got Complete Warrior today. Looks real good, real interesting. What
>really caught my eye was the Invisible Blade. Quite flavourful and
>intriguing. But, a few things are puzzling to me...
>
>Why oh why are point blank shot and far shot prereq feats? I don't get
>it at all. Maybe if this was just a dagger fighter, but the class is
>specifically open to punching daggers and kukris as well.
>
>Also, is the class's sneak attack abilities usable at range? I mean,
>there's nothing saying it's not, and the feat prereqs suggest it can,
>but...it's other abilities are feinting. It seems so...against type.

Should be like any other similar ability...you can sneak attack if your
target is within 30 feet.

 

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Ah! Educational!

I had actually thought to myself that Weapon Finesse would be more
fitting, but that would put strength-based knife fighters (and they
have every right to be there) at a disadvantage. Maybe Combat Expertise?

 

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snikers000@hotmail.com wrote:
> Ah! Educational!
>
> I had actually thought to myself that Weapon Finesse would be more
> fitting, but that would put strength-based knife fighters (and they
> have every right to be there) at a disadvantage. Maybe Combat Expertise?

That's your call... Combat Expertise would certainly fit. Personally, I
like Weapon Finesse better: I think Invisible Blades are meant to be
Dex-based, well, "finesse" fighters. I'm still not really a fan of the
Point Blank Shot prerequisite.

Still, the PrC's original creator suggested these, so I'd accept his
revisions as "official". Any further changes would definitely be "house
rules".

Laszlo