P4 3010... the ultimate rip off...

Or you can simply grab a 2GHz Northwood and use standard air cooling. Most people are getting between 2.5GHz and 2.8GHz with air cooling. If you want to go grab a <A HREF="http://www.vapochill.com" target="_new">Vapochill</A> you should be able to get somewhere around 3.5GHz, but it might require a voltage mod to the motherboard. The TH7-II would be suitable for this with the mod. It all depends how [H]ardcore you are. The difference in price between the 1.67GHz Athlon XP and the Pentium 4 2.0A would be about $65 or so.

-Raystonn


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lol.. yeah what a ripoff.. The p4 is faster, and it costs more..

If you want to make your benchmarks valid throw in some sse-2 apps.

<i>The devil's advocate</i>

I am also not into heavily into overclocking (unless the computer is 2 years old, and could really use that extra performance). However, I enjoy discussing and reading about overclocking. After all, overclockers are often the best judges of hardware quality.
I think the only reason they got such a good overclock with a water cooler is because they put the heat exchanger outside the window in the middle of a nice Austrian winter.

"Ignorance is bliss, but I tend to get screwed over."

Speaking of "plain englishin", what language is that exactly?
Intel insides point is valid, you have to pay for the best, it's just a question of whether or not the best is worth that extra money to you.

"Ignorance is bliss, but I tend to get screwed over."

Again, the 2GHz Northwood is about $65 more than the 1.67GHz Athlon, which is their top of the line. Air cooling will allow you to surpass the performance of the top of the line processors from both companies.

-Raystonn


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We are talking about OEM prices here, not retail. Check <A HREF="http://www.pricewatch.com" target="_new">http://www.pricewatch.com</A> for the best of these prices. From where do you get your Canadian prices? A single vendor?

-Raystonn


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Raystonn, when did you start advocating OC'ing? I always thought you were on the other side of that spectrum....

I would really like to see some benchmarks from a Palomino with liquid Nirogen against this P4...The difference, as the original post said, was maybe 20% between the P4 uberproc and the XP 2000...An OC of maybe 500MHz or so to 2.2 GHz using liquid nitrogen, and I don't think there should be a problem with the XP against the Northwood.

On the other hand, I'm surprised reviewers aren't making more noise about the 2.2 Northie and the Palomino...After all, ALMOST EVERY person won't have the aggressive water-cooling setup, or even want to OC their stuff....

"If you teach a child to read, then he or her will be able to pass a literacy test" - George W.

FWIW... Last Thursday I purchased an Intel NW 2.a ghz from googlegear retail box (I wanted the warranty)for 399.00 USD in the 4 days since then the price has dropped twice and the retail version is now at 375.00 USD the oem bare processor is down to 353.00 USD and the price for that has also fallen .. I expect there will be a few more reductions as production is ramped up making these new intel cpu's more attractive.

lagger

<b><font color=blue>Computers run on smoke, I let the smoke out of mine and it quit working </b> </font color=blue>

Wrong. I have always advocated overclocking. I began my overclocking endeavors years ago with a Celeron 300A. I have always been of the opinion that overclocking your processor is good and not very dangerous. Overclocking your memory is more dangerous and you must ensure very high quality RAM, otherwise you could end up with data integrity issues.

-Raystonn


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rayston is A little bit irrational sometimes, he says things and then has to be corrected, of course I guess I'm kinda like that too, but the difference is that he acts like the GOD of all computers. lol

taylor

Give me one example.

Not often. Give me one example that you have seen recently.

Comparing yourself to me?

I will be back later tonight to read more, so do not expect any further replies on this for a while.

-Raystonn


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That's like saying that you got your 2.2GHz Northwood to 3GHz so everyone else will be able to do it. Again, not guaranteed.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor

Not quite true. I am running a Celeron 300A at 450MHz. I am not overclocking my memory, but I am overclocking the processor via the FSB. How was this done? By using PC100 memory. (The Celeron 300A was designed for use with PC66 memory.) If PC1066 memory were being sold then I would recommend that instead of Samsung PC800. However, it is not available and I have tested the Samsung RDRAM with success.

At the time of my earlier posts when I was providing recommendations on the overclocking of memory, I had thus far not encountered any memory that actually would safely overclock in a consistent manner. Each module had to be tested individually to see if it would work. If not tested absolutely thoroughly it might appear to work fine, while corrupting data here and there without your knowledge. This was not desirable. I gave my best analysis at the time. However, at this date things have changed. Due to Rambus's stringent quality-control and timing definitions, coupled with Samsung's extremely good yields, I have encountered RAM that overclocks with a near 100% success rate by 33%. These are the Samsung PC800 RDRAM modules. Take this information and do with it what you like. I am not going to force anyone to overclock their memory. But if you do, you should be careful to thoroughly test your system afterward.

-Raystonn


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I also have a Pentium III system. The processor is overclocked via the FSB as well, but the memory itself is running within its own specifications. Overclocking the FSB has long been a good method of overclocking the processor. Overclocking the memory has never been very accepted as usually there is already memory available (pretty cheap as well) that goes beyond the specifications for your system. This allows you to overclock without pushing your RAM.

-Raystonn


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Keeping the AGP and PCI in spec was a difficulty. I agree. This is why I usually keep to the clockspeeds that allow me to use the correct dividers. For example, I could have overclocked my Celeron 300A past 450MHz. Many people were able to achieve over 500MHz. A few people reported speeds of around 600MHz with super cooling. (I do not know if those reports were true.) But I like to ensure that the rest of my system remains within specifications. I stuck with 450MHz, using PC100 memory, and a 2/3 PCI/AGP divider. Many people search out components that will work on overclocked buses. This requires more time invested than I wish to give, and limits the hardware you are able to use. I do not suggest people travel that route.

-Raystonn


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There were some BX boards (i.e., the ABIT BX6r2) that had 1/4 PCI multipliers that kicked in at 124MHz or higher. In this case, only the AGP bus would be running out of spec.

Many P3 550Es could also run at 133MHz FSB.