Yes all you people saying you cant wait for the Hammer...'gonna kick the P4 etc...'.
The processor has not been released yet ! There havent been any benchmarks yet !
Speculative benchmarks from sites like <A HREF="http://www.zive.cz/H/PCtuning/AR.asp?ARI=103690&CHID=4&EXPS=&EXPA=" target="_new">these</A> are absolute crap and just spreads rumours around the web claiming the Hammer is going to crush all other processors.
Comments from Jerry Sanders like these dont help either:
<i>"Anyone who believes that Intel is not losing market share to AMD must also believe in the tooth fairy."
"When we get to the Hammer we'll see another massive, massive performance advantage."</i>Sanders expects very big things from Hammer in 2003, calling it the <i>"... industry barn-burner in 2003."</i>
He is obviously hyping the processor so that kids like us think AMD have got this secret super processor, that is going to whoop Intel. I wonder how long he can keep spewing this marketing drivel out of his mouth.
Dont get me wrong I love AMD but all this hype is really unescessary. Best count your chickens when they are hatched eh Jerry ?
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You can't compare the P4 to the Hammer. The Hammer will be an 8th generation processor while the P4 is a 7th generation processor. Comparing the Hammer to the P4 is like comparing the P4 to the P3.
AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
It's always the same thing in this forum before the release of a new processor. Go back 2 or 3 months, it was the same thing but about the Northwood. Same thing for the Athlon XP. You can't do anything about that except for making your own mind! If you think that the future Hammer will not be that powerfull, fine! The same things was said for the Northwood and, as I know, the Northwood didn't "kicks AMD's a**" either! We will only know the truth when the processor will be released.
Well, I'd have to disagree. This is on the principle that The current Athlon is a K7, true, but until the P4 showed up, all that there was to compare it to was the P3, a 6th gen. chip. I'd have to say that when the Hammer comes out, it will be compared to the P4, purely because it will be AMD's flagship processor, much like the P4 is Intel's current flagship.
I dont think Hammer numbers r that far fetched at all
keep in mind that a "simple" iprovment like adding 256kb of L2 cache helped the NorthWood gain 10% prefomance (all IPC).
the Hammer Is much more - with ingreated memory controler, a gratly improved brench pradiction unit, 8-th genration 128bit memory interface, 800Mhz FSB (sepculation), Large workload TLB and more L2 cache (probably). the Hammer is likly to have at list 30-40% more IPC then the athlon.
a 2GHZ Athlon will have the RP rating of 2500... increse that by some 30-40% and your getting to Hammer Speculated Rp rating of 3400... actually its not speculated - its informaion from AMD's last anlyst meeting.. and the CPU Spec_int of 1300+ is also prodected info given by AMD.
its not a Super Chip coz it still has K-7 Execution Units... But keep in mind those execution units r still the Top_Of_The line X86 execution units unmetched even by the P4 Execution engine and far from being fully utilized...
1 Hammer will be release in 1 year a whole year.
2 Hammer are desing to be a wokstation cpu like itanium and will be compare with itanium.
3 Intel will release it own P4 mobile, is P4 celeron, is presscott (P4 0.09 micron) a new itaniun, banias is be surly release maybe even there will be pc 1200 quad channel (if intel still support RAMBUS) SUN will release also a new cpu.ALL will have faster cpu.Intel in the market for quite sometime and the been allwayse 1 of the fastest this goes also for AMD.
well... Hammer is ALSO for workstaitions it is also for Desktop and Mobile markets... you see, the use of x86 code gives AMD the option to relese a Hammer for each segment of the market with slight changes to its core... if you take a look at AMDs RoadMap:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate [...] 08,00.html
AMD do plan Hammer for Dsektop And Mobile Market (codename ClawHammer).
though Hammer was Devlopted with Multi-Processor systems as a guide line... its actualyy a Huge leap over Intels SMP (semtrical Multi-Processor) and will probably be favorite processor among Server WorkStation and Rendering Farms etc...
Wrong, according to AMD's latest schedule, the Hammer should come out by the end of THIS year.
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2 Hammer are desing to be a wokstation cpu like itanium and will be compare with itanium.
WRONG AGAIN! AMD will release two Hammers, the SledgeHammer (the competitor to the Itanium) and the ClawHammer (to replace the K7-series of processors)
AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
I'll get all excited if I damn well want to. OK, I don't think the Hammer is going to be the end of Intel, but I do think that it will be a great chip.
"Ignorance is bliss, but I tend to get screwed over."
When is the Hammer going to be released into mass production anyway? Remember that, following Moore's Law, in 12-18 months Intel will be at approximately double the current frequency. This means at least 4.4GHz specifications, and any overclockability being a plus. Will the Hammer beat a 4.4GHz Pentium 4 in performance? I thought its PR rating was somewhere down near 3700?
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Last I checked it was not going into mass production until mid 2003. Engineering samples were scheduled for December of 2002. Has this changed? If not, that PR3400 will likely be competing with something near the 4.4GHz range from Intel.
The AMD processors that use a PR rating have performance fairly close to the Northwood Pentium 4 processors at clockspeeds equal to that PR rating. This leads me to question the performance of a PR3400 processor when compared against the latest 4.4GHz Pentium 4, unless AMD plans to modify their PR rating system again.
-Raystonn
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The technology for Intel to go to 4.4Ghz in 18 months is there but I doubt they will do it unless the Hammer processor is a serious threat. I think 3Ghz will be the max Intel will go with the P4 at the end of the year and probably reaching 3.6 Ghz by Q203.
Correct me if I am wrong but I haven't seen any roadmaps showing a 4.4Ghz P4 in 18 months.
AMD MAN: In addtion dont take AMD's roadmaps as the gospel truth there is always delays when releasing new processors i.e manufacturing issues, supply demand problems and general teething problems etc. This is why I believe we will probably see limited samples of Clawhammer processors in Q402 with mass production happening in 2003.
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I don't need a 'Gigahertz' chip to surf the web just yet ;-)</font color=purple><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by mr_gobbledegook on 01/19/02 05:22 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
Intel always keeps up with Moore's Law. After all, Moore was one of Intel's founders. While the law was originally in regards to the transistor count, it has expanded to a new meaning over the years. The common definition now states that processor performance will double every 12-18 months. So you can absolutely count on a 4.4GHz Pentium 4 in 12-18 months.
-Raystonn
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Clawhammer will be compared to the P4 because it will eventually replace the Athlon.
The Clawhammer will be AMD's top of the range desktop CPU while the P4 will be Intel's top of the range CPU both competing in the desktop sector (which is predomintely 32bit at the moment).
Where things get a little fuzzy is in the workstation and server sector. The Hammer will be competing against the Xeon and the Itainum since Hammer has 64 bit capability.
Remember AMD designed the Hammer processors to be a top down approach covering all sectors from servers to workstations, home PCs and even the mobile sector.
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