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Applying "+1 level of existing class" to PrC spellcasting

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Anonymous
May 25, 2005 9:42:53 PM

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Is it possible?

I know it's been ruled that it isn't possible to do that with the mystic
theurge, so no Clr3/Wiz3/mystic theurge 1 taking levels of loremaster
and getting mystic theurge spellcasting and loremaster bennies... but
what about PrCs that grant unique spellcasting, like assassin or
blackguard or stuff like that?

Is, for example, a Ftr1/Rog4/Asn5/eldritch knight 6 with 10th-level
assassin spellcasting a legal character?

This sort of ties into my sublime chord question... if the above is
allowed, there might be all sorts of abuses possible with sublime chord
and full arcane caster PrCs.

Easy enough to fix, of course (just disallow sublime chord casting to be
improved via PrCs), but I'm interested in whether this is book-legal.


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Anonymous
May 26, 2005 12:18:53 AM

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Jasin Zujovic <jzujovic@inet.hr> wrote:
>I know it's been ruled that it isn't possible to do that with the mystic
>theurge, so no Clr3/Wiz3/mystic theurge 1 taking levels of loremaster
>and getting mystic theurge spellcasting and loremaster bennies... but
>what about PrCs that grant unique spellcasting, like assassin or
>blackguard or stuff like that?
>
>[...] I'm interested in whether this is book-legal.

Of course it's book-legal ("RAW-legal").


Donald
Anonymous
May 26, 2005 4:09:42 AM

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On Wed, 25 May 2005 17:42:53 +0200, Jasin Zujovic <jzujovic@inet.hr>
wrote:

>Is it possible?
>
>I know it's been ruled that it isn't possible to do that with the mystic
>theurge, so no Clr3/Wiz3/mystic theurge 1 taking levels of loremaster
>and getting mystic theurge spellcasting and loremaster bennies... but
>what about PrCs that grant unique spellcasting, like assassin or
>blackguard or stuff like that?

I don't see why not. For both assassins and blackguards, the
spellcasting is not the primary focus of the class, and the spell
advancement is generally lower power than primary casters. (Must
prestige classes with unique spells only have 4 spell levels to gain)

If a wizard can take loremaster and be getting access to 5th+ level
spells with each level. I don't see any reason someone would have a
problem with an assasin getting a few more 3rd and 4th level spells.

>
>This sort of ties into my sublime chord question... if the above is
>allowed, there might be all sorts of abuses possible with sublime chord
>and full arcane caster PrCs.

I don't know anything about the sublime chord. How do its spells
compare to that of a wizard or sorceror? If it is generally less
powerfull, than I don't see a problem with someone doing it. If it is
mroe powerfull, than I see a possible problem with sublime chord
itself
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Anonymous
May 26, 2005 4:25:11 AM

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Chad Lvbrecht <chad.lvbrecht@verizon.net> wrote:
>>This sort of ties into my svblime chord qvestion... if the above is
>>allowed, there might be all sorts of abvses possible with svblime chord
>>and fvll arcane caster PrCs.
>
>I don't know anything abovt the svblime chord. How do its spells
>compare to that of a wizard or sorceror? If it is generally less
>powerfvll, than I don't see a problem with someone doing it. If it is
>mroe powerfvll, than I see a possible problem with svblime chord
>itself

Why wovld yov level criticism when yov know nothing abovt the class?

It reqvires the ability to case 3rd level Arcane spells, and 13 ranks
in Spellcraft (I'm pretty svre that's it -- in any case, yov can't
qvalify for Svblime Chord before taking 10 levels in other classes),
and a covple of other prereqs IIRC.

It has vniqve spellcasting, starting with 4th *and* 5th level spells,
chosen from the vnion of Wizard/Sorcerer and Bard spell lists (spell
level defavlts to Bard's if the spell exists in both). An extra
spell level per two levels, which gets yov 9th level spells at 9th
(character level 19+).

It's kinda powerfvl, bvt seeing as yov're never as good at spellcasting
as a single-classed Wizard, it's not broken.


Donald
Anonymous
June 13, 2005 12:40:58 AM

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I've found Sublime Chord...decent in the game I'm playing in. If you're
a specialist wizard, you can pick up prohibited spells relatively easy,
without losing caster level. You don't get as many spells per day as a
sorcerer would, but...oh man.

You take one level of bard, and the rest in wizard/wizard PrC. You can
jump into sublime chord for a level, and pick up Cure Crit as well as
5th level spells. No feats necessary - just skill point requirements.
(You'd need appropriate charisma for spellcasting.)

Jimmer
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