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Anonymous   02-06-2002 at 05:59:03 PM

okay people i need some advise here. which would be better for 3D Studio MAX rendering Dual PIII 1.0GHz, or a single P4 1.9Ghz I plan on using the MSI845Ultra for the P4 and the MSI694DPro for the dual PIII and prolly around 1Gig of ram. thanx for any info.

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Anonymous   02-06-2002 at 07:51:09 PM
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For max you will most likely be better off with the dual pIII's. I build computers for people that all they want is 3dstudio max rendering powerhouses. They go with duals and a lot of ram. I would suggest to you to go dual athlon. I like both intel and AMD, and when it comes time to choose I always way the pros and cons of both. And for you, wanting to run max, AMD's running max are unstoppable. It is by far suppierior and you can't get better than dual AMD for 3dstudio max. When compared to dual xeons many bench marks the xeons take and many the amd's take, but always in max the AMD comes on top.

If max is your main reason for the comp dual AMD is your only option and the price isn't very outrageous, considering the level of computer you're building. One more thing to note when building, AMD only supports their MP chips in SMP mode, but all the dual systems I've built I used XP chips and they were recognized as MP's. There aren't really any differences just that AMD supports them (they cost a bit more). Sorry I'm giving you a third option when you only asked for the one out of two, but I know I've saved others hours if not days of rendering time by building them dual AMD systems.

Good luck

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10Mhz8086   02-06-2002 at 09:30:15 PM
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I would go for the single P4 since they are going to stop making the PIII soon and when that happens your going to have to buy a new board to upgrade to a P4. Also the new Northwood P4 are great overclockers, some people are getting 2.1G from a 1.6G P4 and 2.2G P4s are getting close to 3Ghz.

My logic tells me that having a system close to 3Ghz is going to be faster than two P IIIs ~1Ghz

<i>"The FAA issued a wind sheer warning for my PC, I think I may have one to many fans in it..."</i>

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Anonymous   02-06-2002 at 10:18:44 PM
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Have you looked at Dual Athlon boards + Athlon MP procs? Not sure how good they are for Max. Our company sells to graphics companies. Dont know what software they use, and they only thing they buy is Dual Athlons. They really do fly.

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Kelledin   02-06-2002 at 11:11:05 PM
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I'd strongly recommend dual AthlonMP's for the kind of system you want. Such a rig would effectively crush anything x86-wise from Intel when it comes to 3DSMax rendering. Even P4-optimized 3DSMax can't keep up.

If you really have your heart set on an Intel platform, I would recommend a dual P3 over a P4, especially for 3DSMax. Cheaper processors, better FPU, much cooler running, and inexpensive memory (it's kind of pointless to use more than SDRAM with a P3 rig).

<i>If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does it still cost four figures to fix?

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lhgpoobaa   02-07-2002 at 01:46:58 AM
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dual XP's are real good. a new range of daul athlon motherboards are out... and they really bring amd into the dual arena with class.

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bikeman   02-07-2002 at 09:36:19 PM
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But what about the price? Here in Belgium a PIII-Tualatin 1.2 GHz costs 123 €, while the cheapest XP (1700+) costs 178.63 € (dollar/Euro = .88 or something). And the mobos ... Dual PIII from Asus, including SCSI controller, 524,99 €, Dual XP/MP from Asus, no SCSI (I think), 415.01 €. I guess we end up at the same amount of money in the end. So I guess you'll better stick to the XP (although the SCSI-controller really costs a big, big amount of money). I rest my case ... and silently leave this thread ...

PS: Woo-Hoo, I just became a Newbie!! :smile:

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JCLW   02-07-2002 at 10:54:28 PM
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What's your budget? Why not dual P4s?

- JW

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LoveGuRu   02-07-2002 at 11:16:01 PM
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holy [-peep-] man your a moron lol,
and your "logic" is wrong, next time please refer from posting moronic non relevant answares that you know nothing about atleast in this forum.

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kief   02-07-2002 at 11:43:33 PM
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Dual P4? Good luck!

Jesus saves, but Mario scores!!!

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sjonnie   02-08-2002 at 12:20:11 AM
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Hey Bikeman,
Can you post a link to those PIII Tualatins at 1.2GHz. €123 is €220 less that I can find!

Grats on becoming a newbie :smile:

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khha4113   02-08-2002 at 12:21:56 AM
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Quote :

Here in Belgium a PIII-Tualatin 1.2 GHz costs 123 € <b><font color=red>$106.7</b></font color=red>, while the cheapest XP (1700+) costs 178.63 € <b><font color=red>$155</b></font color=red>(dollar/Euro = .88 or something).


When in US, Athlon XP1700+ only ~$130 <b><font color=red>150 €</b></font color=red> (Retail box) and PIII 1.2G Tualatin about $180 <b><font color=red>207.5 €</b></font color=red> (256K L2 version) and $210 <b><font color=red>242 €</b></font color=red>(512K version)!
BTW, dollar/euro = 1.15
<b><A HREF="http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic?user=americanexpress" target="_new"><font color=blue><i>Currency converter</A></b></i></font color=blue>

:smile: Good or Bad have no meaning at all, depends on what your point of view is.

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khha4113   02-08-2002 at 12:39:36 AM
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Quote :

Can you post a link to those PIII Tualatins at 1.2GHz. €123 is €220 less that I can find!


Yes, I'd like that too when I thought US has a cheaper prices for these Tualatin.

:smile: Good or Bad have no meaning at all, depends on what your point of view is.

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Intel_inside   02-08-2002 at 12:51:49 AM
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I'd strongly recommend dual AthlonMP's for the kind of system you want. Such a rig would effectively crush anything x86-wise from Intel when it comes to 3DSMax rendering. Even P4-optimized 3DSMax can't keep up.




He asked about dual p3 vs. p4, he didn't ask for any ads for amd. Completely offtopic! But I don't blame you guys for trying to push the underdog every chance you get.



<i>Hi I am from Canada, I don't use amd cause they melt my igloo eh.</i>

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lhgpoobaa   02-08-2002 at 02:05:53 AM
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always good to have options, and the new amd mpx chipset looks real good.

we do, afterall, want him to get best value for money.

Overclocked athlon 1200C @ 8.5 x 166FSB + PC2700 = GOOD! :smile:

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JCLW   02-08-2002 at 02:14:15 AM
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Thanks, a bit of good luck is always appreciated.

<A HREF="http://www.supermicro.com/product/motherboards/860/p4dc6+.htm" target="_new">Supermicro P4DC6+</A>
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edit: re: lhgpoobaa: /me wouldn't buy a chipset that they can't even get the USB working on...

- JW

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by JCLW on 02/07/02 08:35 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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Kelledin   02-08-2002 at 05:58:57 AM
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Quote :

He asked about dual p3 vs. p4, he didn't ask for any ads for amd.


Let's see, I answered his original question, and I enlightened him about some relevant options he maybe hadn't considered fully. Yup, that was pretty off-topic there.

It's called <b>worthwhile posting.</b> You should try it sometime. :tongue:

<i>If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does it still cost four figures to fix?

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mbetea   02-08-2002 at 08:17:35 AM
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Supermicro P4DC6+: $585
Iwill DP400: $499
SeverWorks Grand Chmapion HE chipset: $499
with xeon chips starting around $300 and up.

were you trying to be serious suggesting a xeon setup or just trying to add some humor to the discussion?

Dorks = people that use their system specs for sigs.

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bikeman   02-08-2002 at 05:06:20 PM
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Sorry, it were Celeron Tuallies ...
Guess that annihilates my becoming Newbee ...

And then, I meant Euro/Dollar being .88 ...
I am ashamed ... Errare humanum est? Please?

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JCLW   02-08-2002 at 06:33:14 PM
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I was serious. As Mr. Jenk_ins has not said anything since he made the original post we have no idea if he's planning on using this system as a toy to play around on, or if he makes his living using 3DS.

$600 Supermicro P4DC6+
$600 2x P4 Xeon 1.8
$400 2x 512MB RDRAM
$800 ATI FireGL-2 or 3Dlabs Wildcat II-5000
--------
$2450 Total

Which isn't really that much if you're working in the industry and making $1200 a week.

edit: or for another $1000 replace that FireGL-2 Wildcat II-5000 with a FireGL-4 or Wildcat II-5110

- JW

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by JCLW on 02/08/02 12:49 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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