ClawHammer: Everything Goes As Scheduled

IIB · Feb 13, 2002

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well all indections so far are good.
it seems we'll have a ClawHammer around years end
first samples already out to "close partners"
thats good...

I think we might see a litle Hammer Show-Down at CeBIT
thats good - as I have some AMD stocks

I bet they will fly!

I'm excited!

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texas_techie · Feb 13, 2002

"...that mass Hammer processors will be provided with an HIS metal lid improving the heat dissipation from the processor die and protecting it against mechanical damages."

Interesting quote from xbits. Older AMD CPUs were accused of having brittle cores. I just hope to God some mobo manufacturer implements use of the thermal diode. That diode has been there since Athlon, but the mobo folks havnt installed any way to use it.

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IIB · Feb 13, 2002

I know the ASUS KT333 Mobo and the A7M266-D already use the thermal diode...

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texas_techie · Feb 13, 2002

No kidding, color me shocked. I thought everyone was still using the dumb temp. probe on the bottom of the socket. I will look into that, thanks for the correction

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eden · Feb 13, 2002

Does my Epox 8KHA+'s temp warning and auto-shut off at certain temp count?

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SammyBoy · Feb 13, 2002

The other interesting quote from it is that the ClawHammer will be 30% faster than the equivolently clocked AthlonXP. So, following that idea, and if the PR ratings are based off the equivolently clocked XP, as opposed to T-Bird, a 3400+ Claw will be clocked at 2.333, or there abouts. Now, this is just based on simple math (and not politician math). Assuming, that since it has PC2700 support, the FSB will be 166 (333DDR), the multi will be 14. If all this speculation is true, the Claw will, in all areas, destroy a P4 NW. Granted, a 30% increase across the board would be spectacular, but a 15% across would be great, and make the clock for clock difference a non-factor. God, I love competition. If everything pans out, it looks like the Claw will be the CPU of choice when it's time for my next upgrade.

-SammyBoy

marneus · Feb 13, 2002

nah, that uses a mobo sensor (I got a 8KHA+ as well) rather than the diode

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eden · Feb 13, 2002

So where's the diff?
Aren't I somewhat "protected" from any disasters like Intel's way but that it shuts off? And does it work if the fan does fail?

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IIB · Feb 13, 2002

the thermal diode is far more aqurite
the sensor could be 10c +/- wrong...

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eden · Feb 13, 2002

So where should I set the auto-shut off temp at?
70ish? I dunno what is the temp that an AXP handles before it goes in smoke...

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IIB · Feb 13, 2002

It can do 90C for about a minute before it smokes...

id say 70ish is about right...

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eden · Feb 14, 2002

K thanks!
I think I will put that as enabled option, you can never be too careful! At least I'll prove to my pro-Intel stubborn friends AMDs won't fry when overheated or without fan.
BTW we're talking degrees Celsius huh!

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TheAntipop · Feb 14, 2002

"...that mass Hammer processors will be provided with an HIS metal lid improving the heat dissipation from the processor die and protecting it against mechanical damages."

Does that mean that the Hammer will have the same kind of metal heat spreader that the Pentium 4 does? Or is this new "HIS metal lid" look different and perform different funcitons?

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texas_techie · Feb 14, 2002

Antipop. Some others have posted it is similar to what Intel put on theirs. Im sure there will be some minor differences. But at least the "brittle core" crowd will stfu. Hopefully with SOI and the lid, supposed thermal issues wont exist any longer.

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TheAntipop · Feb 14, 2002

I am hoping that the combo of .13 micron, SOI, and now some type of head spreader will allow AMD to deliver on its promising that water cooling will be a thing of the past even for the power user. Sounds really cool/. hehe, get it?

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FatBurger · Feb 14, 2002

It's supposed to be IHS, not HIS. Integrated Heat Spreader. Just a typo, apparently. This is the same as on the P4.

SOI won't show up until Barton, I believe.

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zengeos · Feb 14, 2002

SOI will be on Hammer chips from the outset, but Barton will be the first Athlon family chip with SOI.

Mark-

When all else fails, throw your computer out the window!!!

eden · Feb 14, 2002

Does SOI give performance boost or better heat spreading?
What performance jump can we expect?

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mr_gobbledegook · Feb 14, 2002

I thought SOI simply reduced the amount of heat produced and lowers the voltage required for the chip to run. SOI does not directly improve performace however it does allow the potential of higher clocked chips to be produced due to the reduced heat output.

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somerandomguy · Feb 15, 2002

SOI allows trasistors to switch faster. Higher clock speeds and lower voltages are a benefit of this.

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eden · Feb 15, 2002

Yet another powerful tool AMD will need so that pipeline overincrease won't be necessary. This proves again that Intel did not put enough research on their P4, in order to make high speeds with high performance and instead chose a dumb low IPC high MHZ route. Hammer will be nothing but the best CPU jump ever yet. I can imagine clock per clock comparisons, CPU twice above! And then imagine Duron-Hammers! My god I will laugh if the Duron Hammer spanks the NW. It would be so ridiculous of a value product...
Although I am hoping they would integrate the Thermal Protection like Intel, just so shut those little cowards out there...

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IIB · Feb 15, 2002

Kinda Funney how a "badly engineered CPU" is the preformance king right now... ha eden?

The Hammer Will be Good very Good.
but stop saying P4 is badky engineerd...

when you will face that:

High IPC low Clockspeed
&
High ClockSpeed low IPC

are just as good if they blance out
and right now - the P4 is the fastest...
so if you say P4 is badly engineerd accept Athlon is badly enginnerd aswell..

now I love AMD (as stated before) but i can overlook that.

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eden · Feb 15, 2002

Not the same thing actually, it seems that even pushing to 0.13 for Intel, and going on pushins MHZ, the AXP still is able to compete. The Willy was the worst competitor for the Athlons, no doubt about it, but even at 2GHZ, the Tbird was still competing, then the XP 1.4GHZ is winning! Fact is, it is not as well engineered, because even reaching high speeds will not compensate a low FPU. So they may run at 2.5GHZ but the FPU apps will still be running faster on AXPs.
And besides if Tbred does reach high speeds, we can overlook the "badly" engineered Athlon huh? Tbred+Hammer: Reclaiming the "High speeds=High Performance", which we do want, because we're right now stuck with processors at low speeds just barely itching to get to higher ones by 66MHZ! But you have to admit that from the TB 1.4, to the Xp 1.66GHZ, there's 266MHZ but a damn big one!! From a 1.4GHZ P4 to 1.7GHZ, there's nary a thing to be impressed about.

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IIB · Feb 15, 2002

Not the same thing actually, it seems that even pushing to 0.13 for Intel, and going on pushins MHZ, the AXP still is able to compete.

of course its able to compete - are you excpecting not to compete? yeah... it CAN COMPETE did I said other-wise but as you put it : the Athlon XP is ONLY able to compete with a so called "badly engineerd CPU" without even get a lead at preformance... I guess BY YOUR STANDARD IT MUST BE ALSO "BADLY ENGINEERED".

The Willy was the worst competitor for the Athlons, no doubt about it, but even at 2GHZ, the Tbird was still competing,

YEAH! MY POINT EXACTLY - WHY YOU SEEM TO THINK IT SHOULDNT COMPETE AT "ONLY" 1.4GHZ FOR T-BIRD TO GET "ONLY" 1.4GHZ TOOK ALOT! IT WAS ALL TBIRD CAN DO - AND IT WAS HOT AS HELL! ITS NOT LIKE IT CAN JUMP OVER 1.4GHZ!
IT TOOK A MUCH DELAYED TOTALY NEW CORE FOR TBRID TO SURPESS 1.4GHZ IT TOOK ALMOST A HOLE DAMN YEAR FOR ATHLON TO JUMP FROM 1.4GHZ to 1.667GHZ! in which time intel was able to ramp up production and intreduce a 2.2GHz northwood - still competeing with AMD - and even leading.

am I the only one who see that your still thinking in terms of MHz without taking into acount that P4 does scale better - hence Athlon SHOULD COMPETE at much lower clock-speesds...

am I the only one who sees this?

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FatBurger · Feb 15, 2002

Damn, I hate it when my caps lock gets stuck like that.

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