xp's heat controls

ok, as I said (few posts back) I'm probably going to get xp 1800+ with MSI nForce 256 ddr-sdram soon, I have no intentions of OC'ing, so the question is, would a normal hsf + thermal compoud be enough, or I'd still need to get more cooling devices? If so which ones.. keep in mind I'm trying to keep costs down, so unless I really need it, I'd rather avoid it, thnx.

when everything else fails read the fine manual

just buy a retail package, the original HSF is good enough, as long as AMD approved it.

super mini orb? eeeewwwwwww

Overclocked athlon 1200C @ 8.5 x 166FSB + PC2700 = GOOD!

good to see that new mobo's are beginning to actively use the internal diode in the XP...
shame its an asus though

Overclocked athlon 1200C @ 8.5 x 166FSB + PC2700 = GOOD!

depends. very few mobo's have thermal diode usage. those that do will be very responsive to temp changes.
if set up right they will shut down if you have a fan failure and should do the same if the heatsink falls of.

for the rest, that only use the temp sensor under the socket, they can only handle slow temp increases, so its fan failure only.
plus of course the bios has to be set up to support it.


Overclocked athlon 1200C @ 8.5 x 166FSB + PC2700 = GOOD!

allright. nice and simple.

there are three things that can make your CPU overheat bad.

1. poor case ventilation/incorrect mounting of HS/too much thermal goop. since its on well we can ignore these.

2. HSF fan failure (most likely scenario). should this occur the temp will rise alot, BUT it will occur slow enough that the sensor under the socket will be able to respond, and the bios will have enough time to shut the system down.
i believe the maximum response rate for the diode is around 1C/second.

3. heatsink falls off alltogether. i see this as unlikely unless you have a poorly designed heatsink or flawed socket. should this happen the temp will rise extreemly fast, much faster than what the external diode can register, thus by the time the diode has reached the bios shutoff temp your chip has allready cooked. in this circumstance the internal diode AND a properly designed motherboard is required to shut down fast enough. so far i know of only ONE mobo that supports this feature, the soon to be released Asus A7V333.

if you ARE PaRaNoId about your heatsink falling off you can do some of the following.

1. use a well designed heatsink that utilises ALL THREE of the socket hooks. <A HREF="http://www.dansdata.com" target="_new">http://www.dansdata.com</A> this site has a monster review of just about every HSF out there.

2. get a heatsink that mounts through the 4 holes in the motherboard. there are a coupel out there, the Alpha PAL 8045, swiftech MC-462A and the MCX-462
they are both very large, but absolutely failsafe.
i have the MCX-462 and have complete confidence taht my heatsink will NEVER fall of.

clear now?

Overclocked athlon 1200C @ 8.5 x 166FSB + PC2700 = GOOD!

Good to hear that the Volcano 7 is cooling your so well. I'm getting similar temps with my GlobalWin WBK38 but the delta fan is annoyingly loud, how's the Volcano7's noise level?

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor

And then there was the customer I had yesterday who cooked his T-bird cause he put the $40 HSF on backwards........

Working on computers is what you do when you get tired of glowing in the dark.

lol
How the hell do you put a heatsink on backwards?! I'd hate to see how that guy would attempt water cooling

i even remember someone not attaching a MCX-462 correctly.

ive got one and it made me wonder HOW THE HELL you could put on a mcx-462 incorrectly?
morons are everywhere... and im happy that some fry their athlons. a nice steep learning curve

Overclocked athlon 1200C @ 8.5 x 166FSB + PC2700 = GOOD!

Well the V7 is not prize either when it comes to noise.
It is either the noisy one, the soothing one, and the unheard one.
As you probably know, it has temperature variable control, so it depends on how cooled the case is and the CPU! When I first got the comp, it was noisy as hell, and it was just unbearable!
I then went to RB Computing and bought two case fans which they installed in a "strategic" way to get hot air out. Temp decreased by 5º or so, and it spins in relative to CPU temp, so now it spins around 4300rpm, and it is much calmer. Sometimes it's very silent and sometimes it gets back to heavy rocking, but it all depends on how the room is. I get the feel it reacts also to humidity, and if there isn't alot, it is less noisy as less "sweaty".
But I would definitly recommend this to OCers, as it automatically cools at the big heating levels. There's a V7CU coming soon with incredible HeatSink fins that are double numbered therefore even more impressive cooling! And its look is the sexiest one if I may say so. Golden on the outside with a "Tt" logo, it's huge but it's just for show-offs on the outside!

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The other day I heard an explosion from the other side of town.... It was a 486 booting up...

Ah as for the BIOS settings it can vary from 50º warning to 70º. The auto-shutoff occurs in increments of 5º from 60 to 75º Celsius BTW. That's around 158F.
What temp should I put the warning and shutoff? What temps are the AXPs bound to "burn"? Since the motherboard response is not the same as the AMD's one, what temp is best to set? I would say around 60º seeing as there's bound to be a 10º late response compared to AMD's protection so 60º warning and 65º shutoff should always protect me...right?
The BIOS btw is Award Flash.
One last thing, the mobo manual says that I need an ACPI compliant power supply and OS. I have an Antec P303x 300W and WinXP. How do I know all these WORK when the shutoff command is detected and trigged? Unless they are compliant.

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The other day I heard an explosion from the other side of town.... It was a 486 booting up...

Hey i got a question. Almost every AMD owner posts his temp at one point or another. What are Intels temps? I mean that have fancy-smancy packaging, so I was curious since I dont remember anyone Intel owners posting a temp.



Benchmarks are like sex, everybody loves doing it, everybody thinks they are good at it.

Heh

Kelledin:" Not according to hardocp's intel only forum, p4's run as hot or hotter than athlons"

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!

Some heatsink reviews with the P4 showed the temp ranging from 39-50 C. another guy reported 52C under a heavy load.
Still havnt found any first hand accounts.

Benchmarks are like sex, everybody loves doing it, everybody thinks they are good at it.

are you looking for flames ?


if you know you don't know, the way could be more easy.

<i><b>Lord</b>matisaro@aol.com</i> speaks now for everybody ? lol


if you know you don't know, the way could be more easy.

"And then there was the customer I had yesterday who cooked his T-bird cause he put the $40 HSF on backwards........"

that's a nasty price for a little mistake dontcha think? there's enough to worry about setting up a system like: esd, sweat dripping, bent pins,..etc btw, how did the RMA go? did the person get the money back or a replacement?

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"

There is a thermal diode and a thermal protection scheme for AMDs in place, however it is still in the process of being implemented in many MBs, and only available on XP/MP cores at the moment.

As for the fans, it realy does depend on your case, PSU, and other heat generating components as much as it does on the heat sink.

This is a non-smoking forum.
If your computer is smoking, please extinguish it immediately.

Hey LHG you didn't answer me about the ACPI thing. I may be too much worrying over nothing and that any new mobo like mine with a new Antec P303X is able to auto-shutoff and supports it in WinXP too.

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For the first time, Hookers are hooked on Phonics!!

NO, I said check out the list in the other forum you dolt, people, other than me, seem to think you are trying to start flame wars.

LoL, and you bring up my email address without knowing anything about it, I assume you think because theres a lord in it, im some egotistical jerk.


LOL< assume what you want, I could care less. Why dont you check the list thread before accusing people of speaking for everyone.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!

Ah I see.
No I won't take the risk but in fact for the first time in my life yet (I had to try this for once, I mean!)I ventured into the BIOS, went and set the warning temp at 53º and Auto Shut off at 60º. It was the minimum anyway! I've also checked in Power Management, ACPI was Enabled. WinXP is most likely supporting it since it shut off when shutting down. (so as Win95 anyway)
I guess now it is waiting for the unwanted...which may or may never occur!

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For the first time, Hookers are hooked on Phonics!!

First of all, your temps are low, rather nice.


Second, your heatsink rocks, there are none better(or maybe 1 or 2).


"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!

A normal temp is 50C, a standard hsf with 1 case will keep you between 50-55c, and thats perfect.

As you can see, you have plenty of room to go, and a 30c temp, while overclocking and NOT using water, means that his temp probe is wrong, or he is lying.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!

Exact same time of post, and exact same comments about the 30c lol.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!