NO THOUROUGHBRED UNTIL MAY 02

mr_gobbledegook · Mar 10, 2002

I am getting sick of people asking when AMD will release the Thouroughbred version of the Athlon XP.

<A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/09030201.htm" target="_new">http://www.theinquirer.net/09030201.htm</A>

From reading that artical Thouroughbred wont be here until May this year the earliest.

In my opinion AMD are slighlty behind schedule which means that thier .13 micron mass production is not up to full speed yet. (Yes I do know that AMD plan to be fully converted to .13micron at the end of 02). We have already seen Thouroughbred running way back in Q4 01 therefore am sure the processor itself is fine its just that the transition to .13micron it taking slightly longer than expected (I doubt this will affect the Hammer line).

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mr_gobbledegook · Mar 10, 2002

In fact, on the 20th of March, many motherboard manufacturers will receive fully working samples of the Thoroughbred.

Sources a cigarette paper's width away from AMD confirm that's what's happening round about the 20th, and that we won't see fully fledged machines running the Thoroughbred until about eight weeks afterwards.


Believe what you want...

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girish · Mar 10, 2002

too bad, i was really looking forward to it. well, must wait for a while longer!

actually, i still havent got a Palomino XP, I have a 1.1 gig tbird, just thought Tbreds are not far away, skipping Pal would be better!

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Grizely1 · Mar 10, 2002

crap! I have to wait longer to upgrade.

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ath0mps0 · Mar 10, 2002

we won't see fully fledged machines running the Thoroughbred until about eight weeks afterwards.

Just because "fully fledged machines" won't be available, that doesn't mean that OEM chips won't be out sooner. Usually, the chips are available in the channel at least 3-4 weeks prior to the "available" date.

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mr_gobbledegook · Mar 10, 2002

I doubt it very much...the chips are probably in the channel as we speak now. OEM's will only have limited supplies...I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you.

We won't see any action until the last week of April- early May time.

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I don't need a 'Gigahertz' chip to surf the web just yet ;-)Edited by mr_gobbledegook on 03/10/02 05:20 PM.

Crashman · Mar 11, 2002

FVCK!!! I can't wait that long, might just have to go with the NW to get the good overclockability

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

eden · Mar 11, 2002

Now now, Crash, hold the bad thoughts and words, you never know if the Inquirer might be lying here. I mean AMD introduces Tbred in March, then 2 months later it is out? I somewhat do not beleive this. If AMD plays that way, they might be outrunned by Intel.
So hold a little more till we hear officially next week! CEBIT IS GETTING CLOSE!!!

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zengeos · Mar 11, 2002

I agree with you Eden. I can't see AMD allowing Intel to release a 2.4ghz P4 wthout firing back with at least an Athlon XP PR2200.

Let's see what they say during Cebit. I suspect we'll get more detailed info on Hammer by then and maybe even a few preliminary specs from actual silicon. Of course, it will also be nice to see a T-bred announcement with a firm release date.

If AMD has converted 50% Dresden to .13micron I don't see where it would take long to ramp up T-bred, especially if the conversion is going as expected like they say.

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eden · Mar 11, 2002

I'm excited to see if any Hammer news come up, especially performance and spec wise, because that would show Raystonn that we are right about AMD not screwing up this one.

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Crashman · Mar 11, 2002

OK, ok, I'll try not to mention the NW again. But I really need to get this new system together by mid April.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

Grizely1 · Mar 11, 2002

why the deadline?

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juin · Mar 11, 2002

They were some many delay on Nw.It logical that AMD get the same trouble that intel have.It been near 6 month that the tuatuline was release.

My prediction still true up to date.

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peteb · Mar 11, 2002

Even though - bang for $ it is tough to argue that 1.6A woody. Figure the top tbred is going to be over double the cost of the 1.6A, probably around $350-$400.

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chrismet86 · Mar 11, 2002

Hey Grizzley1, it's been a while. This is the FB from BZ/BZ2.

I'm waiting for the Hammer to come out anyways:

1: I have no money
2: I really want to see it crush Intel's P4 at the time.

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zengeos · Mar 11, 2002

Eden, I kinda think that's irrelevant. What folks here think about Hammer 6+ months befoore release is irrelevant. It's nice to diuscuss the possibilities, but really, the proof is in the pudding, and there's no pudding until there's actual product on the shelves and reviewed by reliable sources.

Besides, whatever the info that may come from Cebit about Hammer, remember the P4 info months prior to the release of the original retail Willamette P4 and how different the actual shipping product was (estimated performance-wise).

Mark-

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texas_techie · Mar 11, 2002

edited: due to lack of interest...and possible litigation.

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Matisaro · Mar 11, 2002

Even though - bang for $ it is tough to argue that 1.6A woody. Figure the top tbred is going to be over double the cost of the 1.6A, probably around $350-$400.

Looks as if there will be a tbred 1800+, which should be cheaper than the 1.6a.

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peteb · Mar 11, 2002

Looks as if there will be a tbred 1800+, which should be cheaper than the 1.6a

but what we don't know is if it will overclock 50% on air. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. We know the 1.6A does, in most cases, with the stock cooler... As they say, time will tell. I hope it does, but the P4 is here now, the Tbred is still at least 2 months from general retail, probably more.

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eden · Mar 11, 2002

Actually if the Hammer "isn't doing so hot" right now for you, I'd say that AMD has done a lot in the last 2 weeks since their intervention at IDF 2002. I mean they had a low clock speed running Hammer to show, no AGP and a reference board that caused a conspiracy with Intel's jingle. Now they've pretty much solved the AGP, and are running at near-full speed!
That's some nice work by AMD, and I have a feeling they are on track for now! We'll just see how it is at CeBIT.

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eden · Mar 11, 2002

I remember the P4, but then they did show us in the end the latest specs or "updated" ones later on didn't they?
Also, I just can't see how AMD could not pull it right.
Think about it, the Hammer is bigger, but it ain't a P4 with a 20 stage pipeline! Where can the IPC be lost! Also with a bigger core, and the Hyper Transport, the FPU and ALU were already fitting in the smaller Athlon die, so how can it not work here?
Simply put, there are too many reasons why it cannot do like what Intel did with the Willy. I agree we should wait and see, but personally, this wouldn't make sense because they got it all in front of them.

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Crashman · Mar 11, 2002

I'm getting this one PAID for!

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

zengeos · Mar 11, 2002

I don't disagree with your assessment Eden, BUT let's not go overboard. I personally would prefer to be a bit conservative than expect more than is delivered. So, while your theories may be right on target, since we don't have actual silicon to base the theories on, perhaps it's best to be a little conservative.

Mark-

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kermit4karate · Mar 11, 2002

Where did you find out about a 1.8 Tbred? That could be a sweet spot in the new line.

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Matisaro · Mar 11, 2002

but what we don't know is if it will overclock 50% on air. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. We know the 1.6A does, in most cases, with the stock cooler... As they say, time will tell. I hope it does, but the P4 is here now, the Tbred is still at least 2 months from general retail, probably more.

As I have said in many previous threads, theres nothing the Northwood has that the tbred wont also have in regards to oc potential.

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NO THOUROUGHBRED UNTIL MAY 02

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