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March 18, 2002 7:29:08 PM

AMD has recently changed its official warranty policy concerning its products, namely, Athlon, Athlon XP, Athlon MP, and Duron processors, both in tray bulk and box packages, in South Korea.

AMD WILL NOT replace, WILL NOT refund for any of its product for processors that were burnt or broken for any reason from anyone. Personally, I have bought SEVEN AMD processors: one Athlon XP 1600+ (3-Year Warranty Box), four Athlon Thunderbird (one AYHJA 1333MHz, one AYHJA 1000MHz, two ARGA 1000MHz), and two Duron 750MHz for the last one year and I have recommended numerous people to buy AMD Athlons and Durons because they presented simply the best performance for price ratio in everyday applications and killer apps such as MPEG-4 encoding and three-dimensional gaming.

Now, I feel AMD has betrayed me and hundreds of people around me feel exactly like I do in Korea. We paid about 50% more for those processors than Americans, Europeans, and Japanese. I know exactly what Athlon XP costs in Tokyo, PriceWatch, and the UK.

A few months ago, I tried to change the cooler on my Athlons in order to increase, not decrease, their lifespan. They ran so hot, so I wanted to make them cooler with larger (preferably, 80mm or 92mm instead of 60mm or 50mm) fans running faster (4600 rpm or 6800 rpm). In doing so, one processor died for no apparent reason and another died with its core part broken as if it were cookies! I have two Intel Pentium 4 processors and a few Celerons but nothing so exotic and dramatic happened to them.

I'd like to get a direct answer from AMD in Sunnyvale for this. Please give your opinions on what to do for us in Korea.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 18, 2002 9:21:36 PM

If an AMD is burnt or broken, it's your fault, not AMD's. If it's DOA, then it's AMD's fault (or the retailer's fault).

<font color=orange>Quarter</font color=orange> <font color=blue>Pounder</font color=blue> <font color=orange>Inside</font color=orange>
Don't step in the sarcasm!
March 18, 2002 9:30:49 PM

Yeah if' it's not DOA then they aint to blame!!

Your Grandmothers not coming! So what, no F***king Ziti Now!? Sopranos
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March 18, 2002 9:31:14 PM

so if it dies after a month, which happens, it's NOT amd's fault?!

I'd have to verify about this warrenty issue in korea, if it's true I would NOT recommend anyone there buy any amd cpu's unless they change their policy.

<i>My life wasn't complete untill I tried sse-2 optimized pong</i>
March 18, 2002 9:52:21 PM

Intel, should intel replace its processors if the user runs water on them to fry. Amd's warrantee is plainly worded, and anytime a chip frys its user error, and if the user uses the retail hsf, and fries his chip, he is still covered by warrantee, so I see no issue here.


The amd chip fries due to USER ERROR, and even if this is true(stranger with little/no post history isnt quite credible) it is no change from their official policy which is the same policy as intel.


When you buy a 3 year warranteed processor from amd, you MUST use the retail hsf to be covered by said warrantee. If you fry it trying wacky watercooling, they probably will replace it, IF YOU LIE ABOUT USING THE RETAIL HSF! If you tell them the truth, you have voided your warrantee, WITH YOUR ACTIONS!

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 18, 2002 9:56:45 PM

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AMD WILL NOT replace, WILL NOT refund for any of its product for processors that were burnt or broken for any reason from anyone.



hey man! ppl just don't get it,...AMD is a POS company and it's more evident everyday. AMD cpu's are so f'n fragile-they'll crumble just by looking at them!

AMD is doing this because hardworking ppl who brought into the AMD hype are getting burnt everyday(+1000) and they are returning these POS chip back to those mofo's in order to get an exchange. AMD sees this and it's hurting them(AMD) big time.

AMDzealots will quickly blame you! yeah that's right, YOU! they will call you incompetent a moron an idiot! then they turn around and expect AMD to sell this crap to the avg joes? and wonder why AMD is not gaining any ground with the regular dell folk?

AMDzealots think that they've gain 100pts on their IQ's right after the installation of an AMD cpu, they act like f'n snobs too, but if you ask them to fix your toaster, well that's a different story.

the AMDzealots who buy an AMD cpu and have it self immolate never go for an RMA because they love AMD and the make keychains to honor of AMD, f'n crazy right?

they want me to stay quiet, they don't want to hear anything negative about AMD and when I do post, you should see the hysteria and the hissy fits! it's hilarious!

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
March 18, 2002 10:07:06 PM

Amdmeltdown, you are a good example as to why america should have greater birthcontrol access, keep up the good work sir.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 18, 2002 10:18:23 PM

Hey, guy, I'm no stranger here.

AMD chip fries due to user error? Who said it's due to user error? Just because you haven't read what I wrote on computers you say I am not "quite credible?" Ridiculous.

What I wrote about was about AMD official warranty policy in Korea. Who said anything about using non-retail HSF on the 3-year warrantyed AMD processor? I have one 3-year warranty box packaged AMD Athlon XP 1600+ but never ran it without that one.

What do you think warranty means? When does AMD have to replace or refund for processors it sells? Did I talk about any wild situation in which the user tries to experiment with several fans and overclocking the cpu? The reports I am hearing and reading: EVERYONE was denied the right for a replacement or refund here. That's why I said "for any reason."

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 18, 2002 10:38:01 PM

Well, I agree with you. There are people exactly like them over here in Korea, too.

Thanks to AMD Korea, they shut up, I mean most of the crazy teenager jerks did.

AMD is just being arrogant.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 18, 2002 10:39:31 PM

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AMD chip fries due to user error? Who said it's due to user error?

If you purchase a suitable HS/F, install it properly, use default voltage, and enable proper system monitoring, why would an Athlon fry? Only due to power surges or other faulty parts.

If you don't apply too much force, don't drop the chip, don't feed it to a steam roller or the like, how else would it get broken (especially with the new durable organic packaging)? Shipping damage, possibly, which the shipping company should cover, not AMD.

This is the same kind of warranty that Intel has had for years, even before Intel had thermal protection in their CPUs. I've built dozens of AMD and Intel systems, and out of all of them, the only reason I ever had to return a CPU was because a hard-mounted HSF (retail boxed Slot1 CPU) had a noisy fan.

<i>If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does it still cost four figures to fix?
March 18, 2002 10:43:19 PM

You called me a "stranger." People like you have polluted Tom's Hardware Guide community and that's exactly why I have restrained myself from writing here most time.

Birth control for what?

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 18, 2002 10:53:43 PM

You must be kidding.

I have built hundreds of computers at my home for my personal use for 10 years. I was talking about AMD's official warranty in Korea, not about how AMD responded to my personal problem with my own processors.

Install it properly and use default voltage? I AM partly a system builder and have worked with AMD Korea on the FAQs and manuals.

So, exactly what do you think is the situation AMD has to provide replacement or refund? NONE?

There is NO such problem with Intel. People do not love Intel and most people are not very satisfied with Intel's warranty policy but most of them get proper services while AMD is denying virtually 100% of user demand here.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 18, 2002 11:01:04 PM

Hmm, AMD chips don't just fry. If they're not working you can still return them, provided they find that it is NOT user error. At least, that's what I understood from it.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
March 18, 2002 11:02:52 PM

Kennyshin, the stranger says.

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Hey, guy, I'm no stranger here.


your post count says you are.




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What I wrote about was about AMD official warranty policy in Korea. Who said anything about using non-retail HSF on the 3-year warrantyed AMD processor? I have one 3-year warranty box packaged AMD Athlon XP 1600+ but never ran it without that one.


You sai you chipped a core and fried another core by looking for better cooling, so you looked for better cooling with the same heatsink?

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AMD chip fries due to user error? Who said it's due to user error? Just because you haven't read what I wrote on computers you say I am not "quite credible?" Ridiculous.


Amd chips do NOT heat fry for no reason,there is ALWAYS user error involved.(or a broken hsf) a broken retail hsf is still covered by amds warranty.


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What do you think warranty means? When does AMD have to replace or refund for processors it sells? Did I talk about any wild situation in which the user tries to experiment with several fans and overclocking the cpu? The reports I am hearing and reading: EVERYONE was denied the right for a replacement or refund here. That's why I said "for any reason."


First wheres your linkage, second, people who fry their chuips with the retail hsf do so immediatly, do to user error, cpus dont just magically fry after months of use, and dont expect anyone besides amdmeltdumbass to believe you.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 18, 2002 11:04:36 PM

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You called me a "stranger." People like you have polluted Tom's Hardware Guide community and that's exactly why I have restrained myself from writing here most time.

Birth control for what?


Your post count and title is stranger, are you dense?

I said, you made a statement which isnt backed up, and since your a stranger I have nothing with which to base my belief in your claims on.


So before you accuse me of poluting the forum and ruining the world, perhaps you should pay attention to what people say.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 18, 2002 11:08:07 PM

AMD chips don't fry if they are on the mainboards. They are safe if they are on the store shelves. That's what you mean.

Provided they find it is not user error? Did I say anything about user error? What I am talking about is AMD STOPPED replacement for virtually every case in Korea. People can still return them? You can? AMD Korea DENIDED that just last week.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 18, 2002 11:08:32 PM

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Install it properly and use default voltage? I AM partly a system builder and have worked with AMD Korea on the FAQs and manuals.

So, exactly what do you think is the situation AMD has to provide replacement or refund? NONE?

There is NO such problem with Intel. People do not love Intel and most people are not very satisfied with Intel's warranty policy but most of them get proper services while AMD is denying virtually 100% of user demand here.


First of all, where is your proof this is the official stand, you have yet to provide any links.

Secondly, if it just affects korea then there is probably a reason, maybe the same kind of reason you can get windows xp for a buck there, but we dont know.

Thirdly, there are specific terms to a waranntee, and a 3 year amd warantee covers any damage to the chip which occurs if the retail hsf fails etc etc, it does NOT cover dumbasses who crack their cores, or fry their cores by overclocking etc, however MOST of those are replaced ANYWAYS at cost to amd because they arent nazis.


So consider this discussion over untill you prove your origional claim that amd does not honor any warrantees in korea.


PS: coming to a forum, and posting something, as a stranger, is one thing, when people ask for proof because they dont even know you, and you attack them, it makes you look like an idiot, just letting you know STRANGER.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 18, 2002 11:10:04 PM

Explain to me how to fry or break an Athlon without user error?

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
March 18, 2002 11:11:30 PM

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Provided they find it is not user error? Did I say anything about user error? What I am talking about is AMD STOPPED replacement for virtually every case in Korea. People can still return them? You can? AMD Korea DENIDED that just last week.


Prove it.


And furthermore, if amd decides to be hard on korea and follow their PRE WRITTEN warrantee conditions more strenuiously, for whatever reason, thats just too bad.

Dont violate your warantee and it will be honored.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 18, 2002 11:11:38 PM

If there is no way to do this, then why have a warranty at all, eh?

-Raystonn


= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my employer. =
March 18, 2002 11:12:52 PM

And here comes rayystonn with the anti amd comment, love the predictability of this forum.


Amds chips are warranteed the same as they always were, and we still await this persons proof of his claims.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 18, 2002 11:15:04 PM

To protect against manufacturer defects. Frying your chip is not a defect.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
March 18, 2002 11:15:27 PM

Matisaro. Maybe I should ignore you. You do not know how to read and how to write.

People like you ARE corrupting this forum.

I changed the cooler on an Athlon 1GHz T-bird, not on the 3-Year Athlon XP 1600+. And did I say I wanted a replacement for my burnt CPU? It happened about 5 months ago. It was 3-4 days ago AMD Korea announced their changed policy throughout Korea.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 18, 2002 11:15:46 PM

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I was talking about AMD's official warranty in Korea, not about how AMD responded to my personal problem with my own processors.

As was I. I used the pronoun "you" when discussing a hypothetical situation. Sorry if I implied clumsiness on your part or otherwise got under your skin.

I bring up my own experiences to illustrate a point that AMD or Intel CPUs almost never fail on their own.

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So, exactly what do you think is the situation AMD has to provide replacement or refund? NONE?

AMD should provide replacement or refund for significant manufacturing defects, specifically situations like the rare jpeg issue. Guess what--they do provide such replacements. So does Intel; whenever anyone has been unfortunate enough to have one of the infamous 1.13GHz coppermines, or a CPU with a faulty hard-mounted HSF as I did, Intel has replaced it under warranty.

As I said, this is no different than Intel's warranty. If you fry an Intel CPU by pumping too much voltage through it, breaking the core when taking off the IHS (overclockers don't always like the IHS), etc. etc., Intel's warranty won't cover it. Back before Intel CPUs had thermal protection, it was the same: if your Intel CPU overheated, it was your fault, not Intel's.

Plus, I'll have you know that the situation you describe with AMD is how it has always been. If I had fried or broken my first Athlon a year or two ago, I probably could not have had it replaced under warranty. This whole thing is not news to me.

<i>If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does it still cost four figures to fix?
March 18, 2002 11:18:24 PM

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Matisaro. Maybe I should ignore you. You do not know how to read and how to write.

People like you ARE corrupting this forum.



LoL.


You have YET TO PROVE YOUR CLAIM!


Linkage to this amd stand? Some proof other than your claim?


Secondly, AMD cannot deny returns if the warantee was followed, it is ILLEGAL, a fried processor most likely was fried by NOT FOLOWING THE WARANTEE.


You have been registered for 3 months, and have made 6 posts and dare to accuse others of "ruining" this forum?


Lol, why dont you prove your statement like I asked, and ignore the frying cpus discussion, it was not directed at you specifically, and it was a general discusasion of amds warantee policy.


So go, get some proof of your claim.




"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 18, 2002 11:19:44 PM

kennyshin don't listen to what kelledin or matisaro say, they are hapless amd zealots ( I haven't used that term in a while, sigh) who will defend any decision taken by their god/company.

So what you are saying is that if someone builds a system, it works for 1 month, then the chip fries (for no apparent reason).. that amd won't replace it? That is a very bad scenario, especially for a chip which has weaker thermal protection than it's main competition (the p4)

<i>My life wasn't complete untill I tried sse-2 optimized pong</i>
March 18, 2002 11:20:03 PM

Prove it? Do you live in Korea? Can you read the Korean language? It will be easier then.

So, your line is just denying as if you were AMD CEO?

It's easy to quote THOUSANDS of articles related to this issue but I have no time to translate all of them to English.

Plus, this thread is to discuss whether AMD is also doing this in other countries and what actions to take if the changed policy is illegal and contradictory to AMD Sunnyvale.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 18, 2002 11:20:24 PM

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AMD should provide replacement or refund for significant manufacturing defects, specifically situations like the rare jpeg issue. Guess what--they do provide such replacements. So does Intel; whenever anyone has been unfortunate enough to have one of the infamous 1.13GHz coppermines, or a CPU with a faulty hard-mounted HSF as I did, Intel has replaced it under warranty.

As I said, this is no different than Intel's warranty. If you fry an Intel CPU by pumping too much voltage through it, breaking the core when taking off the IHS (overclockers don't always like the IHS), etc. etc., Intel's warranty won't cover it. Back before Intel CPUs had thermal protection, it was the same: if your Intel CPU overheated, it was your fault, not Intel's.

Plus, I'll have you know that the situation you describe with AMD is how it has always been. If I had fried or broken my first Athlon a year or two ago, I probably could not have had it replaced under warranty. This whole thing is not news to me.



Exactly, spot on.


I too did not mean you in the personal sense, I meant it as kelledin meant it.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 18, 2002 11:22:26 PM

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Secondly, AMD cannot deny returns if the warantee was followed, it is ILLEGAL, a fried processor most likely was fried by NOT FOLOWING THE WARANTEE.


illegal in america, probably. In Korea.. who knows?

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You have been registered for 3 months, and have made 6 posts and dare to accuse others of "ruining" this forum?

how often someone posts is meaningless, if anything, the people who post the MOST here are more prone to posting bs/ being biased.



<i>My life wasn't complete untill I tried sse-2 optimized pong</i>
March 18, 2002 11:25:03 PM

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Prove it? Do you live in Korea? Can you read the Korean language? It will be easier then.

So, your line is just denying as if you were AMD CEO?


How about just one you lazy bastard, look, you come to a forum, make a claim with NO EVIDENCE, and insult anyone who asks for some linkage. If you are gonna act like a little whiney bitch and expect me to take your word for it STRANGER then run along, because your pointless attacks on people who did not attack you first(and being called a stranger is not an attack) are neither welcome nor acceptable.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 18, 2002 11:25:23 PM

Matisaro don't be so harsh. I just want someone to explain how frying a chip is a defect.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
March 18, 2002 11:26:20 PM

Well some americans can be very ignorant and do not understand that other countries have different laws and such. Do not let them scare you from posting the truth on this board, many of them, such as kelledin, may even personally threaten you but it is all bs.

<i>My life wasn't complete untill I tried sse-2 optimized pong</i>
March 18, 2002 11:26:48 PM

First, I didn't provide any link because AMD Korea has NOT provide any English document and that's exactly what I want to get from AMD Korea.

Second, Windows XP costs more than 200 bucks here. Surely there is a reason if you are called a jerk or pollutant, but we don't know.

Third, then you admit AMD is being a NAZI.

Fourth, it was you who first attacked someone else talking about birth control thing. I thought you wanted to play NAZI here and that's why I mentioned pollutants. Do you believe you run this community or something? THG Community will be such a good place without kids like you.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 18, 2002 11:26:49 PM

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kennyshin don't listen to what kelledin or matisaro say, they are hapless amd zealots ( I haven't used that term in a while, sigh) who will defend any decision taken by their god/company.

You are a moron you know that? Me and kelledin did not deny the comment, I asked for linkage, and kelledin informed him thats nothing new.

So run along intel.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 18, 2002 11:27:52 PM

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how often someone posts is meaningless, if anything, the people who post the MOST here are more prone to posting bs/ being biased.



Yes, but a guy with no posts who makes a claim should provide links because we have no reason to believe him, and thats all I said.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 18, 2002 11:29:32 PM

god damn it, you insist on trolling every discussion that is anti-amd. Seems like a ploy to make turn the discussion into flaming so it is removed.

Sad sad tactics by amd-zealots.

<i>My life wasn't complete untill I tried sse-2 optimized pong</i>
March 18, 2002 11:29:46 PM

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Do you believe you run this community or something? THG Community will be such a good place without kids like you.

I'm only 15 and I resent that statement. Age does not necessarily correlate to maturity.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
March 18, 2002 11:31:49 PM

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First, I didn't provide any link because AMD Korea has NOT provide any English document and that's exactly what I want to get from AMD Korea.

Second, Windows XP costs more than 200 bucks here. Surely there is a reason if you are called a jerk or pollutant, but we don't know.

Third, then you admit AMD is being a NAZI.

Fourth, it was you who first attacked someone else talking about birth control thing. I thought you wanted to play NAZI here and that's why I mentioned pollutants. Do you believe you run this community or something? THG Community will be such a good place without kids like you.


1: provide the link in korean we have translation applications/websites.
2: korea is the pircay capitol of the world.
3. I admit that if your claim is true, amd is following its prewritten warantee very closely, probably more closely than they do in america, but not illegally.
4:I attacked amdmeltdown, he is the forums biggest [-peep-] dickless retard flamer, and he is well known, anyone who defends him is invariably in the wrong, but being so new here you dont know that, so Ill let it go.


But trust me, amd_meltdown is DISLIKED, DISRESPECTED, and insulting him is normal for this forum.


"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 18, 2002 11:32:47 PM

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god damn it, you insist on trolling every discussion that is anti-amd. Seems like a ploy to make turn the discussion into flaming so it is removed.

Sad sad tactics by amd-zealots.


Im not trolling, I asked him for linkage and he insulted me, and then you insulted me, so [-peep-] off troll.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 18, 2002 11:33:51 PM

AMD Man, I am not saying AMD is wrong to replace broken or burnt AMD CPUs due to errors or mistakes or whatever on the user's part.

Maybe people like you AMD Man or AMD mania just want to interfere with any discussion about what AMD has done terribly.

Frankly, I think AMD processors were designed by idiots. There are burnt AMDs with the heatsink on and AMDs are so fragile like bad quality glasses there are so many broken AMDs. Well, if you call the decision to buy an AMD in Korea where AMD do not keep its promise and law is "user error," I agree.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 18, 2002 11:34:00 PM

Can you please provide a link to this document which is written in Korean? We can translate it ourselves.

Thanks,

-Raystonn


= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my employer. =
March 18, 2002 11:37:56 PM

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Maybe people like you AMD Man or AMD mania just want to interfere with any discussion about what AMD has done terribly.


Calling amd_man a troll shows exactly where you stand.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 18, 2002 11:41:40 PM

OK, Raystonn.

Though I can't find any reason why I do not belong to that "ourselves." Is this some kind of closed group?

I AM a translator for AMD. Anyway, I hate translating Korean into English. Thank you.

I'll provide lots of links and documents either official or personal in Korean. I haven't called AMD Korea yet since it's just Monday morning around 10:30 and I have other works to do.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 18, 2002 11:44:24 PM

Matisaro, are you talking about war or something? Stand?

So, then, why are you writing here? To have a better standing for AMD and kill all postings that are not saying AMD CPUs are great?

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 18, 2002 11:46:06 PM

Ok, link?

-Raystonn


= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my employer. =
March 18, 2002 11:49:56 PM

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Frankly, I think AMD processors were designed by idiots. There are burnt AMDs with the heatsink on and AMDs are so fragile like bad quality glasses there are so many broken AMDs.

1) AthlonXP's are not any more fragile than Coppermines. T-birds were somewhat fragile due to ceramic packaging. Slot A (and Slot 1) CPU's are nearly indestructible.

2) Of course I would be happy if Athlons had perfect thermal protection from the start and were as unbreakable as IHS-equipped CPUs. However, with all the CPUs I've installed, that hasn't been a problem for me. So getting this bitter about a perfectly reasonable warranty is probably going a bit far.

<i>If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does it still cost four figures to fix?
March 18, 2002 11:50:46 PM

May I ask in what way I've shown myself as an AMD fanatic? Agreed, my name is somewhat inappropriate in a forum with this level of maturity, but I was simply expressing my enthusiasm after my purchase of an Athlon. I am more than willing to get a P4. Their current 1.6A P4 looks attractive. As for warranties, I've never had to use a warranty except for my monitor and my Palm to replace the defective parts. For my monitor, the EPROM had failed. For the Palm, the backlight had stopped working. Neither of which were user error. I had my old Palm IIIe accidently scratched, they did not allow me to return it. Why? Simply because it was user error. This policy applies to all electronic devices.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
March 18, 2002 11:52:30 PM

AMD Man, then have more respect for people.

I didn't exactly mean young age is the same as immaturity.

I don't attack who are polite and who respect other people.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 18, 2002 11:55:13 PM

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Matisaro, are you talking about war or something? Stand?

So, then, why are you writing here? To have a better standing for AMD and kill all postings that are not saying AMD CPUs are great?

I am talking about you insulting people on this forum who are widely regarded as non biased(*amd_man) and attacking anyone who askes for proof or disagrees.

I attacked amd_meltdown, whos every post is an anti amd flame/troll, and you attack me not even knowing who he is?


And now you say you will "get around to" giving us proof of your claims, so I for one will wait for said proof.






"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
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