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March 19, 2002 6:14:14 PM

This is coming from a couple of different conversations with people, so here it is.

Challenge #1:
Any air-cooled Athlon system against my stock heatsink OCed P4. Think you can win? Let's see.
Straight and simple, case closed, no car turbochargers blowing in, etc. Just typical air cooling.
Benchmarks TBD


Challenge #2:
Think the Thoroughbred will overclock as well as the Northwood? Let's find out. Try to get an air-cooled 55% overclock within three weeks of them appearing on PriceWatch. You can use any Thoroughbred you want. Must be perfectly stable. I'm at 155%, which is why I picked that percentage.
Same thing, typical aircooling.




Just for the record (for those who don't know me), I have nothing against AMD, I loved my Tbird until my motherboard died. I'm just impressed with the OCing ability of the Northwood, and I'm trying to sway some people who think that a cheap, good performing Intel system is impossible.

I'd also like to do something to convince the people that think AMD runs hot and needs a million loud fans, or crashes all the time, or...etc. There's no easy way to do that, however.

Questions? Comments? Flames?

<i>Edited for clarity and bumped for those who haven't seen it.</i>

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Don't step in the sarcasm!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by FatBurger on 04/11/02 04:31 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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March 19, 2002 6:15:54 PM

post those benchmarks soon...i wanna see how this turns out..

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March 19, 2002 6:18:29 PM

Which benchmarks? I've got a few already posted in the OCing forum, look for my thread about overclocking my 1.6A.

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March 19, 2002 7:53:26 PM

bahhh! my AXP coal chips will rip you in two!

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March 19, 2002 7:54:02 PM

What the heck?

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March 19, 2002 8:48:28 PM

i am confused... do you want 55% overclock of PR rating or of the MHz...?

PR rating would be a cinch...
Mhz, we will see...

PR 55% would be a 1600+ to a 2500+
which is a 600Mhz overclock (1400-2000)

whilst a MHz overclock of 55% would mean
1400 to 2200 MHz, which would be 1600+ to 2800+
or 800 MHz...

there is a pretty big difference... especially for something with a much shorter pipeline...

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March 19, 2002 9:58:42 PM

Of the actual clockspeed. Matisaro has claimed that this is easily achievable, and I believe others agreed with him, though I don't remember who.

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March 19, 2002 10:08:31 PM

Sounds like a Good Challenge! I would like to see somebody do this...

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March 20, 2002 5:20:57 PM

Quote:
Think the Thoroughbred will overclock as well as the Northwood? Let's find out. Try to get an air-cooled 55% overclock (in relation to the 1600+, so 2.8GHz, correct?), within three weeks of them appearing on PriceWatch. You can use any Thoroughbred you want. Must be perfectly stable. I'm at 155%, which is why I picked that percentage.



The 1600+ is 1.4ghz, a 55% overclock on that would be 2.15ghz, Simple challenge.

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March 20, 2002 5:22:21 PM

Quote:
Of the actual clockspeed. Matisaro has claimed that this is easily achievable, and I believe others agreed with him, though I don't remember who.

Sure thing, a 2.15ghz tbred, easy to acheive, :-)

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March 20, 2002 5:51:38 PM

Can I use a gas powered leaf blower?

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March 20, 2002 7:29:34 PM

BTW burger, they have already demoed a pr2800(2.2ghz) axp, so we win ;-).

1600+>2800+=75% scaling.

Remove a bit from the top assuming the 1600+ parts would have a lower topspeed, so we will say, 1600+>25--+~60% scaling.

Now to wait for the release to make it concrete.


However, if the lowest tbred amd releases is the 1800+, it may or may not achieve a 55% overclock, I would lean towards yes, in fact, yeah it could, they have demoed the 2800, which would be roughly a 60% overclock from the 1800+, so it is indeed possible even to have a production amd with a 55% scalability.

But since your challenge simply asked for any amd processor to reach 2.17ghz, it will be quite easy to achieve.

1600+=1.4ghz

1.4ghzx155%=2170mhz, or pr rating 2750.
(btw, pr rating and mhz both scale the same when multiplying by a %)

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March 20, 2002 8:39:58 PM

Mat, I clearly said a 55% overclock, stop putting words in my mouth and twisting around what I said! :mad: 


Oops, the tables have turned, have they not? :tongue:

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March 20, 2002 8:50:18 PM

Quote:
Mat, I clearly said a 55% overclock, stop putting words in my mouth and twisting around what I said!


Say what?? I didn’t put any words in your mouth.

Quote:
Challenge #2:
Think the Thoroughbred will overclock as well as the Northwood? Let's find out. Try to get an air-cooled 55% overclock (in relation to the 1600+, so 2.8GHz, correct?), within three weeks of them appearing on PriceWatch. You can use any Thoroughbred you want. Must be perfectly stable. I'm at 155%, which is why I picked that percentage.

I can use any thoroughbred that I want, and you specify that the overclock is in relation to the 1600+, so restate your challenge, if the challenge is to get a tbred to run at a speed 55% faster than a 1600+ then that will be quite easy, 2.17ghz is all you need to have a 55% overclock over a 1600+.

You state 2.8ghz as a 55% overclock of a 1600+ which makes 0 sense, you want a mhz overclock from a pr rating???

If you mean a 55% overclock over stock speed(assuming there is a 1800+, then its so so, your comparing a 55% overclock from a hugely downbinned 1600+ to an overclock on a possibly downbinned but not as far downbinned 1800+, which IMO isn’t really fair, but that’s besides the point.


Your challenge said anyone could use any tbred to get an overclock in relation to the pr 1600+ chipspeed, so unless you want to clarify your challenge, that is easily done.


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March 20, 2002 8:55:06 PM

Quote:
Oops, the tables have turned, have they not?



I dont follow burger, I didnt put any words in your mouth, your challenge is confusing, first you mention a mhz speed off of a pr rating which is nearer to 100% than 55, secondly you say ANY tbred, any tbred to do what? overclock 55% from a 1600+? or overclock 55% from stock? If its the former, that is quite a simple task, and has already been demonstrated.

If its the latter, then that possibility lies soley in amd to release a 1600+ or 1800+, which would be able to achieve it, 2.2ghz northwoods cannot get 55% overclocks aircooled, nor can 2ghz northwoods, so why should the 1800+ be able to do it.


The 1.6a is a special downbinned case, and only if there is an equavalent downgraded release on the tbred side can we show similar % gains.


HOWEVER, if we establish a top speed for the tbred which is faster than 2.2gha, then we can infer that HAD there been a 1600+ it would have overclocked 55% or more, JUST like the northwood 1.6a.

So, I ask you to please clarify your challenge.

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March 20, 2002 9:05:56 PM

Sorry for buddin in but,
I thought the challenge was clear, pick any AMD you want and try to get it 55% faster. I bet you would make up the rules as you go along even in a simple game of cards:) 
March 20, 2002 9:08:07 PM

I figured you'd make the connection, but I guess not. Oh well, life goes on.

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March 20, 2002 9:14:14 PM

Quote:
Sorry for buddin in but,
I thought the challenge was clear, pick any AMD you want and try to get it 55% faster. I bet you would make up the rules as you go along even in a simple game of cards:) 


No one is making up the rules, I left both avenues open, and asked for clarification.



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March 20, 2002 9:17:52 PM

So I and everyone is clear burger, your challenge is as follows.

Take any tbred and try to get a 55% overclock over stock.


If thats the case ok, decent challenge, I would prefer we kept the downbinn amount the same, but its not the end of the world.


If amd releases an xp1800+ then it may or may not be possible.


1.53x155%=2.37ghz.


So we will see depending on what amd does, however, the 2000+ and 2200+ will most likely NOT get 55% overclocks simply because they are top end, just like the 2ghz and 2.2ghz northwoods cannot hit 55% overclocks.

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March 20, 2002 10:45:18 PM

I love how Matisaro uses an example of a unreleased demo machine and tries to pawn it off winning your challange.

I said I could score ~7500 on 3Dmark and that turned into one of THGC longest threads because he is a dumbass and loves to twist anything just to be a dick.

I posted a SS he whines its doctored, I post the real score he whines that I changed hardware, there is no middle gound with this whiner.

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March 20, 2002 11:02:34 PM

Although you never did hit 7500 with the hardware you had at the settings you claimed and with the drivers that were out at that point.

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March 20, 2002 11:19:54 PM

Simple, nobody beleives you. You put FUD in our mouths, you were trolling at AMD, why should we beleive you?
I believe Mat's challenge, and would love to see those doubtful faces when they see the results.
Go Mat, I hope you will be able to show us how AMD still remains the overclocking company, as well as ultra performance OCs!

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March 20, 2002 11:25:17 PM

What if someone were to take their nice little Tbred to the northpole. Would that be considered cheating?

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March 21, 2002 12:06:49 AM

cheating? knaw..

but good luck finding a power socket in a polar landscape.

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March 21, 2002 12:11:46 AM

What about a large portable battery pack with a power outlet?

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March 21, 2002 9:29:45 AM

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Mat, I clearly said a 55% overclock, stop putting words in my mouth and twisting around what I said!

Uh, Fatburger what you did say WAS confusing.
Quote:
Challenge #2:
Think the Thoroughbred will overclock as well as the Northwood? Let's find out. Try to get an air-cooled 55% overclock (in relation to the 1600+, so 2.8GHz, correct?), within three weeks of them appearing on PriceWatch. You can use any Thoroughbred you want. Must be perfectly stable. I'm at 155%, which is why I picked that percentage.

I still don't see how this is 55%. 1600+(1.4GHz) would be 2.17GHz. Where does 2.8GHz come into play?? It all depends on what speed tbred debuts as and whether AMD "backfills" (or whatever you want to call it) like Intel did with NW 1.6a.

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March 21, 2002 3:53:26 PM

I did hit ~7500 im sure you know what the tilde "~" means. so I dont have to school you, matisaro, and Eden (Matisaro's second account?)on it.

Oh well, jump thru matisaro's hoops. I really dont care.

Take note how eden backs matisaro up like he was attached at the anus, thats the kind of lame ass lemming bs I have been putting up with.

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March 21, 2002 5:37:02 PM

LoL, run along fugger, you are a proven liar, and I just clarified burgers challenge.


BTW, amdmeltdown runs along hugging your ass, is he your second account?


Maybe kennyshin.

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March 21, 2002 5:44:26 PM

Fugger keeps forgetting to switch accounts before trolling nowadays. Maybe he knows he's losing it and is getting desperate.

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March 21, 2002 5:48:32 PM

In programming, the <A HREF="http:// www.dictionary.com/search?q=tilde" target="_new">tilde</A> ~ is an expression for bitwise negation. Which is exactly the context in which it should have been read.

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March 21, 2002 6:03:29 PM

lol you are some funny people
March 21, 2002 10:05:32 PM

Your yet to prove anyone a liar except yourself. You do not own a Tbred, I doubt you will own a Tbred, your just talking [-peep-] for the sake of arguement. Do us all a favor and save bandwidth for people with valid replies.

The only comeback you have is to jump up and down, whine and scream liar liar. I bet your a pussy in real life.

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March 21, 2002 10:10:11 PM

? off topic? I have 1 account.



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March 21, 2002 10:11:10 PM

Actually, that should be "you're a pussy too". Sorry, couldn't resist :tongue:

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March 21, 2002 10:22:58 PM

He could be referring to a first revision of a pussy that belongs to object of the pronoun. Denoted by your a version pussy.

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March 21, 2002 10:25:40 PM

Yeah, what schmide said...

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March 21, 2002 10:33:52 PM

P.S. I was attempting to belittle you further. I meant only to complement how pathetic your (notice the proper usage) original comment was.

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March 21, 2002 10:36:01 PM

That's true, but then there would be no verb.

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March 21, 2002 10:38:21 PM

"bet" is the verb.

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March 21, 2002 10:42:20 PM

There are two nouns back to back then (if you count "a" as a noun), which doesn't make sense.

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March 21, 2002 10:45:37 PM

Which returns to the original reason for the (a) being a revision of the pussy.

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March 21, 2002 10:51:49 PM

Actually, "bet" isn't the verb (not verb...what's the word). I can't really explain it, since I forgot all the technical stuff as soon as I graduated, but a verb is still needed to modify "a pussy".

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March 21, 2002 10:54:00 PM

Im sure you had no problem understanding what I was saying.

Nice to know Mavis Beacon has some competition on this forum and that your not just a total dork inflating his post count.

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March 21, 2002 10:55:21 PM

This challenge is simple. Find a Tbird 1ghz processor and overclock it to 1550mhz. I've seen this done many, many times, especially with the last production 1ghz Tbirds as the yields were so high on faster processors, they simply stuck 1ghz ratings on them to make up for shortages at that speed.

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March 21, 2002 10:57:20 PM

Mavis Beacon rules, I used that when I was a kid, it actually got my typing pretty fast in a short amount of time.

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March 21, 2002 10:57:22 PM

I (pronoun) bet (verb) your (possessive pronoun) a (the far reaching adjective) pussy (noun) in real life (prepositional phrase).

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March 21, 2002 11:01:46 PM

I bet you and everyone else here is a pussy in real life, that is why we argue about geek stuff here..

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March 22, 2002 12:02:41 AM

I think FatBurger already said it best. You never managed to prove your 3Dmark score using the setup you originally claimed.

P4 1.5@1.8, default GeForce3, Detonator 3's: you couldn't get the score. This was your original claim, and you couldn't prove it.

P4 1.5@1.8, GeForce3 at oh-I-forgot-it's-actually-OC'd-to-220, Detonator 3: you still couldn't get the score.

To get the score you originally claimed, you had to replace the CPU, overclock your vidcard to hell (and fry it), or upgrade your Detonators. Any one of those steps invalidated your "proof." :tongue:

And you're dumb enough to think you proved your original claim? Or just too stubborn to admit defeat?

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March 22, 2002 12:08:46 AM

haha....nice!

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March 22, 2002 12:11:54 AM

Depends on what you mean by pussy? Geeky? Yes, definitely! Unsocial? Quite the opposite! Hated? Quite the opposite.

Well, that at least applies for me.

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