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March 20, 2002 12:52:09 AM

Post deleted by Kennyshin
March 20, 2002 1:25:31 AM

I’ll dump it through <A HREF="http:// babelfish.altavista.com" target="_new">babelfish</A>

Even if it is deemed useless.

The AMD CPU sale for a while it discontinues

It comes down a decision difficultly.
The A/S regulation fringe land of the AMD side it will be able to understand (the known fact A/S it will not be with the thing there is not different) it is a protest indication regarding.
The objective of the strong man does profit creation no matter how but the situation of now appears not to be being the work which pretending not to know it will go over that way. Fact us also the bay where it feels a enormous anger absurd stock (currently only AMD CPU about approximately 200 there is thing. When it contained the board and the cooler back other parts, it will become absurd stock quantity) a decision it comes down force it listened to easily with charge. From the place lead who forms a AMD market at the degree which next will go during that time in a kind of specialty site it came it is a gun bit which it prides. The love as was big betrayal will wind in the AMD, it feels.
From the AMD side all will understand and one AMD CPU sale where the A/S regulation does not come out it discontinues.
Thank you.


All errors are undocumented features waiting to be discovered.
March 20, 2002 1:36:22 AM

They were simple sentences. I think the translation is rather straight this time. My previous posting in Korean was too complicated for a translation software developed so far. "A/S" is for "After Service." It usually means warranty in Korea.

Well. It says:

AMD CPU sale discontinues for a while.

... a difficult decision.

It is a protest regarding... AMD's change of regulation... (It is just the same refusing A/S.) Even though our purpose is to make profits, we cannot pretend not aware of the current situation... We at Forbit were like an AMD expert sites and lead the role in helping the AMD market in Korea. We feel betrayed just as big as our love for AMD.
We discontinue selling AMD CPU unless AMD changes the regulation reasonable again.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
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March 20, 2002 2:00:15 AM

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AMD's change of regulation


It's relatively safe to say that most people here won't be satisfied with this until you can post a link to something official. In the USA there are tons of forums that specialize in spam and gossip. We cannot tell if these forums you posted fall into that category. The vendor you posted also is completely unknown to all of us. Giving you the benefit of the doubt is one thing, but maybe you guys have something similar to <A HREF="http://www.resellerratings.com/reseller_list.pl?sort=na..." target="_new">reseller ratings</A> which we could use to judge a vendor. Have you posted something from a news agency or something from a stock broker? Those would be far more convincing. Just as an example, during the WTC attacks there was a big stink about Starbucks charging rescue workers for water. This was posted on sites such as <A HREF="http://www.morningstar.com/" target="_new">morningstar</A> as well as a rebutal. I would expect the same thing in this case.
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March 20, 2002 2:15:34 AM

That may be the case in the States. Isn't it only because you do not try to understand the situation in Korea at all?

I just mentioned that one reseller only because it's one of my favorites. Did you read that 100 percent of computer-related forums, resellers, news sites in Korea are saying almost the same thing? Should I list every online reseller site in Korea here in this thread? The equivalent of PriceWatch is http://www.danawa.co.kr and the THG of Korea is http://www.kbench.com. If you cannot find enough or official enough information, that's just your limit. I have never been to America or to Europe but if I know just one site or news media, it can lead to virtually every place and every site in the world.

So, isn't the answer just one? True or false. It's absurd to refer to reseller ratings on this issue. If you don't know the sites I mentioned and you say you are not satisfied, I am not satisfied with you guys until I can be sure you are not affilliated with AMD.

News agency? Stock broker? Funny.

Talking about WTC and spam?

You don't have to be satisfied with what I am saying. Just try to understand or investigate the situation or not. What do you think "official" means here in Korea?

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 20, 2002 2:59:15 AM

Well, it's understandable some people just don't want to believe what I am saying here.

EVERY reseller I visited this week says AMD Athlons and Durons are not in stock or they stopped selling them. Completely unknown to you? Do you often visit Korean-language reseller sites?

Last year, I said here about RAM market. I posted that because the situation here was changing in a certain way. Maybe some people here lost jobs then. Of course, that kind of things are not usually published on CNET or The Register. A guy just laughed at me at that time.

Well, the Korean market for AMD is so small and AMD can do without it maybe. AMD has 40 percent market share in Japan retail market and 20 percent in Korea.

http://club.kbench.com/community/?function=list&board=2
http://club.kbench.com/community/?function=list&board=1...
http://club.kbench.com/community/?function=list&board=1
http://www.technoa.co.kr/forum/bbs.asp?tb=bbs&index=new...
http://www.technoa.co.kr/forum/bbs.asp?tb=bbs&index=fri...

It's up to you to believe it or not, but they ARE as "official" as anything in Korea. I still don't know exactly who and who made the decision to change the warranty policy here. Maybe the new vice president of AMD Korea. Or the major distributors had a secret meeting with AMD Korea and agreed upon something. Anyway, if AMD Sunnyvale doesn't know anything about this and still does not want to lose its most pro-AMD customers in Korea to Intel, contact AMD Korea in Seoul right now.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 20, 2002 3:49:23 AM

It is quite official.

While AMD Korea is saying that there weren't any changes in their warranty policy, the distributors are rejecting basically all warranty-related replacements.

I was in Yongsan market this afternoon (about 2 hours ago), which is one of the single biggest electronics/computer market in the world, and it was pretty amazing to see no AMD CPUs on sale, boxed or bulk. Actually, I did see some but the store was an official AMD distributor. In other 'regualr' computer stores, they have removed their AMD CPUs out of their listing. I think it is pretty safe to say that the sales of AMD CPUs have basically stopped for now in Korea.

I work for a company that distributes about 90% of motherboards in Yongsan, and we are seeing dramatic decline in sales of motherboards for AMD CPUs.

Regarding the "ResellerRating" matter thing, they don't exist separately in Korea because, while there are many many internet shops, almost all of those Internet vendors have an offline store in Yongsan. When you think about the amazing information-circulating speed in Korea through the Internet, so-called 'bad resellers' are instantly exposed, so we don't really need a separate site for ratings.At Danawa.co.kr, which is Korea's Pricewatch.com, there are message boards where customers can write about their buying experience, how they were treated in stores, and such.
March 20, 2002 6:09:22 AM

http://club.kbench.com/community/?function=view&board=1...

KBench, the largest and best hardware site in Korea, has just announced a new board specifically dedicated to discussing this issue. I have never seen this serious a issue before in Korea.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 20, 2002 8:17:16 AM

http://club.kbench.com/community/?function=list&board=3...

Most major dealers announced publicly in quite plain language they won't sell AMD CPUs because 3-Year Warranty AMD CPUs are not warrantied by AMD at all.

http://www.forbit.co.kr
http://www.pc4all.co.kr
http://www.icoda.co.kr
http://www.ecid.co.kr
http://www.zeuscom.co.kr
http://www.compuzone.co.kr
http://www.ellohim.com

ECS, Epox, Asus, MSI, Gigabyte and every other socket A AMD motherboard manufacturers will soon hear the demand has plummeted in Korea.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 20, 2002 9:54:58 AM

My thoughts, for what they are worth.

If AMD or the resellers changed the warranty for Korea ONLY they must have had good reason. Here are several I can come up with:

1) So many cpus were returned for warranty and it was clear that most damage was caused by inappropriate use (overclocking, improper hsf install)

2) actual PC makers were overclocking the chips and selling the overclocked systems AS the higher speed grade to actually make more profit (this is actually related to 1

AMD wouldn't change their policy unless they had good reason. At this point I suyspect they find it better to cut their losses in the country and sell next to NO CPUs than to lose money replacing parts that were abused and shouldn't have been replaced. That and the amount of effort it takes to determine if the cpu is in warranty or not.

So I see it more as Korea's loss than AMD's. IF AMD is losing money, I as a stockholder applaud their decision to cut their losses.

Mark-

When all else fails, throw your computer out the window!!!
March 20, 2002 10:32:53 AM

If Osama Bin Raden tried to destroy Austin ONLY, he must have had good reason.

- That'd be what most Koreans will tell you. KBench itself just announced something to the effect saying it will STOP support AMD.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 20, 2002 10:41:04 AM

http://www.kbench.com/hardware/?no=12838&pg=1
http://www.kbench.com/hardware/?no=12838&pg=2
http://www.kbench.com/hardware/?no=12838&pg=3
http://www.kbench.com/hardware/?no=12838&pg=4

There are AMD Korea's warranty-related documents and the dead Athlon's picture, too. I annually post 20 to 50 thousand in many forums and news sites in Korea and KBench is one of them.

KBench has just posted a special column on the AMD warranty in Korea issue. KBench runs a computer shop called Buy2PC.com and Buy2PC.com just announced it won't sell any AMD processor until AMD changes its policy.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 20, 2002 10:41:48 AM

And they did that because AMD did something for some reason Korea did something.
No offense dude, but when a company has something against distributing for a country, then obviously that country did something to piss it off.
Unfortunatly you will have to investigate personally, to AMD's doors and ask them why this is happening. Otherwise you'll hope Intel doesn't take the situation's advantage to sell their CPUs later on at twice the price, seeing they are almost the only ones in the market there.

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March 20, 2002 11:06:21 AM

There is yet no evidence AMD Sunnyvale is directly or indirectly related to this. Personally, I have no idea exactly who did what. Honestly, I do not think average Korean users "abused" their processors and I told you so many times. I bought 7 AMD processors in about 12 months but NEVER asked for replacement or anything. At personal level, I don't mind very much if a CPU costs 100 dollars or 1000 dollars. As I made it clear, I just posted these threads to find out something.

Of course, the price for Intel Northwoods will not become cheaper because of AMD's changed policy but since you are not worrying for Koreans but just worrying about AMD's reputation, Koreans will ignore that. Maybe VIA cannot alone fill the vacuum. But Intel plus VIA will do. Most AMD CPUs in this market are for violent and crazy gaming. I always thought computer games are destroying the sanity of the Korean people especially the younger generation.

Well, if AMD can make a CPU as serviceable as Intel's... well, maybe.

I don't think AMD and Intel divided the whole market either. Intel always had the high-end market while AMD got part of the low-end market. Isn't it true that was shared by Cyrix, IDT, NexGen, and others a few years ago? So don't worry. AMD will not be able to control half of the world until it overcome itself. Arrogance is your downfall.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 20, 2002 1:31:33 PM

Well, as I said....if this will help AMD reach break even once again, I applaud the move. I feel bad for those folks who feel taken advantage of, but AMD has likely been taken advantage of in their warranty seeing as the Athlon is the preferred overclocking chip at the moment.

Just because you never sent cpus in for warranty repair doesn't mean an unusually high percentage of other folks didn't Kenny.

Mark-

When all else fails, throw your computer out the window!!!
March 20, 2002 2:40:06 PM

Kenny this has been discussed before but I just wanted to be clear. Are you saying that if you bought an AMD retail cpu with warranty and something non user error related went wrong ( eg- fan stopped working , cpu would not post etc) AMD would refuse to replace it?

This would be very strange as I'm sure you have laws in Korea as we do in the U.S and Canada ( where I live ) that protect the cust in cases like this - yes no?

As A distributor myself - not of computer parts but HVAC I have some thoughts on this

All companies have a failure rate that they can base things on - in my busness we sell pumps so I'll use that as an example. Our failure rate is about 0.7 % But we replace more like 2.5 % to be "nice". If a dealer has a failure rate of more than this we become concerned. We would do one of the following things 1) Train them to spot non warranty failures 2) Check for a bad factory run 3) Make them send as warranty back to company for testing (this usually really pisses of the dealer and they sometimes tell cust there is no warranty because they are lazy ) 4) Stop selling them to that dealer.

From what you are telling us ( I would like to see something from AMD ) it sounds like AMD is doing one of the last 2 I mentioned. If AMD is no longer selling into Korea I'm sorry, I'm sure this is another case of the few wrecking it for the majority
March 20, 2002 2:44:09 PM

This sorta makes sense cutepunk.

Imagine this:

a customer buys an AMD CPU from a reseller. He or she then overclocks and fries the CPU. He or she then takes it back to the reseller for exchange.

The reseller sends it to AMD for reimbursement/exchange and AMD refuses because the CPU was not handled in accordance with the specifications. So now AMD is actuallyabiding by it's own guidelines instead of letting things slip through.

The resellers are in a catch-22 because they want to make THEIR customers happy and exchange the CPUs but AMD is refusing to replace the CPUs since they were not used in the manner specified by AMD.

Mark-

When all else fails, throw your computer out the window!!!
March 20, 2002 2:52:13 PM

I need to support somewhat what cutepunk said (hey cutie). There is a reason why they stop selling amd in korea perhaps... maybe there are too many hardware enthusiasts around. Really, living almost 3 years in korea, you can see virtually everyone under 25 being competent with computers, and males are usually capable of building the entire computer. That is one reason why Yongsan became so successful I guess...

Oh btw the country with highest percentage of broadband users is SKorea, and i think you guys know :wink:

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March 20, 2002 4:23:26 PM

"At personal level, I don't mind very much if a CPU costs 100 dollars or 1000 dollars."

Really? I'll sell you all the AMD CPUs you want at $1000. Hell, I'll even throw in the shipping to Korea for free!

"There's no such thing as gravity, the Earth just sucks"
March 20, 2002 4:24:10 PM

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1) So many cpus were returned for warranty and it was clear that most damage was caused by inappropriate use (overclocking, improper hsf install)

an Intel processor(P4) can stand up to this type of abuse, AMD just has a fragile pos on the market and ppl are return them in droves!

many ppl are dumping their AMD systems(and keeping their ddr, :smile: ) right now, and returning to the joys of Intel.


"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
March 20, 2002 4:27:39 PM

Quote:
So, isn't the answer just one? True or false. It's absurd to refer to reseller ratings on this issue. If you don't know the sites I mentioned and you say you are not satisfied, I am not satisfied with you guys until I can be sure you are not affilliated with AMD.


Kennyshin, when you buy a retail hsf, for warranty support you go through amd itself, NOT resellers, so untill you provide official linkage to AMD denying your or others returns, it will be considered as unsubstanciated in this forum.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 20, 2002 4:28:53 PM

Quote:
While AMD Korea is saying that there weren't any changes in their warranty policy, the distributors are rejecting basically all warranty-related replacements.


There you go, amd has NOT changed its policy, the resellers are the cheap bastards.

Blame them, not amd.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 20, 2002 4:32:36 PM




It appears that from these sites that amd will not honor warrantys on physically damaged chips, (which is yet to be stated officially by amd in korea) however if you read amds warranty, which has not changed, that has ALWAYS been the case.

Intel will not accept a chip which you crack in half, and neither will amd, this is a policy which follows amds prestated warranry fully.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 20, 2002 4:35:41 PM

Quote:
Kenny this has been discussed before but I just wanted to be clear. Are you saying that if you bought an AMD retail cpu with warranty and something non user error related went wrong ( eg- fan stopped working , cpu would not post etc) AMD would refuse to replace it?


From the links he provided it looks like amd will not honor the warranty on any PHYSICALLY damaged athlons, which is what they have ALWAYS said, and have been leaniant in the past.

The warranty clearly states what is and isnt covered, and cracking the core on poor hsf installation is NOT and has never been covered by said warranty.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 20, 2002 4:36:58 PM

Quote:
an Intel processor(P4) can stand up to this type of abuse, AMD just has a fragile pos on the market and ppl are return them in droves!

many ppl are dumping their AMD systems(and keeping their ddr,) right now, and returning to the joys of Intel.


If you try to return a p4 you have cracked in half, you will not be accepted. This is the same warranty as intel has.

"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
March 20, 2002 4:38:00 PM

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
March 20, 2002 4:42:15 PM

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the joys of Intel.

I think Pepsi has that slogan already. Britney might help Intel sell more chips than Blueman or those aliens though.

I do not like it Tom you see,
I do not like green PCB.
March 20, 2002 5:13:21 PM

<font color=blue>A-hee-hee. She's perty. I ain't gonna buy notin else then what she sells.</font color=blue>

[shudder]
Ugh. That's just a frightening thought. Who would want that stuck-up skanky-looking poster-child-for-people-who-should-be-smacked-silly ugly wench selling their products <i>other</i> than a company that makes as nasty of a product as Pepsi?

Oh wait ... maybe that is the answer... ;) 

(The views portrayed here are not those of me and have been portrayed simply for comical purposes.)

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March 20, 2002 5:40:41 PM

I can't stand Britney. I stopped buying Pepsi as soon as she started doing those ads.

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Don't step in the sarcasm!
March 20, 2002 6:21:27 PM

Hey... Britney isn't that bad...sorta...maybe...

They could always do a "Where's the Silicon?" comercial with her and the P4 Northwood. :wink:

I do not like it Tom you see,
I do not like green PCB.
March 20, 2002 6:55:55 PM

ROFL

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Don't step in the sarcasm!
March 20, 2002 8:04:12 PM

So you would kick her out of bed? I think not

Jeff
March 20, 2002 8:25:36 PM

No, but I'd put a paper bag over her face and not let her sing or even talk.

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Don't step in the sarcasm!
March 20, 2002 8:36:28 PM

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If you try to return a p4 you have cracked in half, you will not be accepted. This is the same warranty as intel has.

P4's have ihs anddon't crack in half that easy!(<A HREF="http://www.hardocp.com/new_img_02/march/nekkidp4.html" target="_new">you can pop the lid tho'</A>) with a tbird or AXP it is understandable why it cracked in half.

the bottom line for vendors is less headaches due to rma's.

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
March 20, 2002 9:14:12 PM

Scary thought. Ben Franklin has been quoted on doing the same with canvas bags with older women.

How about going back to the Ray Charles slogan?

"You've got the wrong one baby! Ah-Huh!"

<b>"Kenny! Give me the whoobie."

"You don't feed a baby chile!" - Mr. Mom</b> :lol: 
March 20, 2002 9:16:58 PM

"Honorary Poster" is your title. That is clearly an oxy moron.

You are clearly one severly disgruntled individual. Did someone run over you dog when you were a child or what is the problem you have with life?

<b>"Kenny! Give me the whoobie."

"You don't feed a baby chile!" - Mr. Mom</b> :lol: 
March 20, 2002 9:50:48 PM

I happen to believe what you are saying now that it's been verified by several different sources. There shouldn't be any argument about any of this, only a discussion.

However, I believe you might be bunching up several issues.

1) It appears that all OEM processor warranties are being rejected in Korea. Why? I'll leave that for you to find out since I believe you said there are no OEM processors sold in Korea.
2) All retail warranty claims go through AMD directly, not the distributor. I checked up on AMD's warranty and they give you a phone number to call if you are an asian customer.

These are two separate issues. Do you have any information regarding the retail package and a rejection of warranty claims directly from AMD? What appears to be happening is that vendors are denying the claims when customers come to them, which is exactly what should be happening.

You need to tell your friends to contact AMD directly, as per their warranty, for any service. If they are being rejected directly from AMD, then what you are seeing is AMD pulling out of that market for some reason. Maybe the profit margin isn't good, or maybe there are political reasons. Either way it really is not good for you guys since you should expect a huge price increase in Intel processors.

You started this whole discussion based on AMD rejecting burnt and broken CPU's, which is user error, so maybe AMD is just not willing to waste the time and money in your market when all the vendors keep shipping them CPU's that are the customer's responsability. Have vendors previously been replacing burnt and broken CPU's? AMD might have been tolerant before, but obviously they aren't anymore.

What I don't understand however, is if this is true, it should have shown up on morning star or at least AMD's website.

Keep us posted. It sounds interesting.

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March 20, 2002 9:59:44 PM

Ewww... Nudie CPU pics!!!

I never thought you could stoop that low!!!

Seriously, cute pic, however the AXP doesn't have the cracking problem that the T-bird had, as it's made from the same material the P4 is.

I do not like it Tom you see,
I do not like green PCB.
March 20, 2002 10:27:33 PM

the fact is: since AMD is not being responsible for all this, the Korean resellers themselves gave up their AMDs in stock. They each have hundreds of Athlons in stock and if they do not sell them quickly, they lose money.

Naturally, the public supports those resellers and it seems virtually every AMD lover is returning to Intel.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 20, 2002 10:59:18 PM

Wrong. I started this discussion because AMD is refusing virtually 100 percent returned CPUs. KBench itself verified this issue. I said very many times here I am not talking about burnt or broken CPUs.

As I said before, you are thinking "if A happened,then there should be the logical cause of A." If that's the case, it can't be an issue and I wouldn't have posted these whole threads in the first.

I don't think AMD's profit margin in the Korean market is too bad. Maybe the opposite is true. Intel doesn't sell here so outrageously priced Celerons and Northwoods. You said I should expect a huge price increase in Intel processors. I check virtually every CPU price in various world markets on a daily basis. If Intel doubles the price due to this, people here will buy no more Northwoods just like Korea won't buy any F-15 if the price is not reasonable enough. Maybe you don't know what the Korean people think about monopoly and Intel.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 20, 2002 11:08:16 PM

Look dude, you are obviously starting to really show some FUD at times, and are also acting hard-headed. I really didn't want to say this, but you are often rejecting any facts we suggest or at least attempt to help.
I am fully interested and concerned about this topic, and would like further guidelines from AMD themselves. We asked you if you could try to contact AMD Korea, we suggested there was a reason they did this, but you keep on rambling different refutations out of the subject.
Please, go find out once and for all, I and all of us would love to know why AMD did this, and please do this at once, this conversation will not go on much longer and will die if nothing new pops up of this news.

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March 21, 2002 3:05:49 AM

So how do you know an Athlon was overclocked? Overclocking is the cause of burnt and broken Athlon, you are saying? What an imagination.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 21, 2002 3:38:24 AM

Eden, do you think I never read your postings before? You said "we." But I do not think you are exactly the average guy of that we. You are extremely biased and everything you wrote on this issue was to kill the discussion, not help.

I was patiently trying to explain the situation here and you just dismissed the Korean people completely as if they do not know how to install an HFS or cannot tell consumer right from responsibility.

Who said Korean users of AMD CPU wanted replacement because of a user error? I pointed out that from the first posting I wrote here on the first thread. And some guys just tried to kill the discussion blaming there is no link and I have not posted many things here in the entire THG community. What kind of manner is that?

You just imagined a situation where AMD does business rightfully and the Korean consumers act wrongfully and irresponsively. Obviously you do not know and you do not understand the Korean culture and how companies do business here. I understand how you discuss on a specific topic and act on a consumer issue in America. You are talking as if you were treating this issue concerning AMD Korea just like any other consumer issue.

That suggestion was biased in two important ways.

1. Some people keep saying AMD is not wrong and AMD technology and policy is sound.

2. Some people are fundamentally anti-Korean and racist and do not really listen to what others say.

Maybe you'd better read what you have been posting in THG Community again.

By the way, we here in Seoul and in other cities in South Korea HAVE BEEN trying to contact AMD Korea and its distributors. Do I have to quote all those e-mails and phone conversation here, too? They are all available if you are patient enough to read.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 21, 2002 3:53:29 AM

Maybe some people "crack" their CPUs in half but I guess less than 0.01 percent of AMD users ever crack theirs in Korea.

A CPU cracked like that cannot even be used as an accessory. Some people in Korea actually use unserviceable Pentiums and Athlons as accessory and they carry them on their bags and clothes.

Maybe it's different in Japan?

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 21, 2002 3:53:36 AM

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AMD has recently changed its official warranty policy concerning its products, namely, Athlon, Athlon XP, Athlon MP, and Duron processors, both in tray bulk and box packages, in South Korea.

AMD WILL NOT replace, WILL NOT refund for any of its product for processors that were burnt or broken for any reason from anyone.
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I'd like to get a direct answer from AMD in Sunnyvale for this. Please give your opinions on what to do for us in Korea.


Please don't insult my intelligence. Read my post again since you missed everything I wrote. I offered you a solution as well as a possible reason for your problem. That is what you asked for isn't it?

<font color=red>If you were to have sex with your clone would that be considered incest or masturbation?</font color=red>
March 21, 2002 3:57:42 AM

What do you mean by "your problem"?

I didn't insult your intelligence though I surely do not like your saying masturbation and clone since you keep adding that garbase just to make fun of the people who criticizes AMD processors and AMD policies.

Thank you anyway for anything you offered and taught me. However, AMD Korea hasn't changed its position and I have never seen any explanation from AMD Sunnyvale itself.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 21, 2002 4:41:55 AM

hope that Kenny is not me.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 21, 2002 4:45:23 AM

well, frankly, there are hardly any people who tries to overclock Athlon 1900+ (1600MHz) to 2400MHz.
I have a retail Athlon 1600+ (1400MHz) and I run it at 1541MHz. I don't think that's "abuse."
As soon as I buy a Northwood 1600A, I'll try 2400MHz. Well, I still have my Pentium 60MHz and Pentium 75MHz and it runs fine after all.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 21, 2002 6:00:33 AM

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What do you mean by "your problem"?

if you don't think AMD leaving korea is a problem, why bother posting anything?

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[...]though I surely do not like your saying masturbation and clone since you keep adding that garbase just to make fun of the people who criticizes AMD processors and AMD policies

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not sure why you think his signature is making fun of people who criticize AMD
processors and AMD policies, personally i think it is kind of funny

:wink: Engineering is the science of making life simple, by making it more complicated.
March 21, 2002 6:06:15 AM

I have had enough of you. You obviously did not come here for help. You are a hostile, rude, and disagreeable person who really needs to learn some social skills. Everyone is not your enemy.

<font color=red>If you were to have sex with your clone would that be considered incest or masturbation?</font color=red>
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