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March 26, 2002 12:10:48 PM

NOW! Finally, Intel Pentium 4 Northwood 1600MHz costs less than ANY retail Athlon XP sold in Korea. ($140 Vs. $145 based on the price comparison from http://www.danawa.co.kr)

In PriceWatch, Athlon XP retail 1700+ is about $25 cheaper than Northwood 1600+. ($110 Vs. $135 based on the price comparison from http://www.pricewatch.com)

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/hotline/20020323/p... lists Tokyo Akihabara CPU prices.

*** I changed the title since most postings are about politics rather than CPU price.

*** I changed the title again in order to discourage disrespectful remarks on other races and nations.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Kennyshin on 03/28/02 05:42 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 26, 2002 12:29:07 PM

135 Us right ?? damm low compare to 250 CAD.

cheap, cheap. Think cheap, and you'll always be cheap.AMD version of semi conducteur industrie
March 26, 2002 12:30:58 PM

huh? Where do you live Juin? You can get the AXP 1700+ for about $190 CDN.

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March 26, 2002 12:34:41 PM

Even the 1.6A P4 is $230, which is $150 USD. Still not as low as some places in the States but well within their range.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
March 26, 2002 2:27:39 PM

as intel zealots use to say but the other way around ...

<kidding>
ya but you know what they say... you get what you pay for! Cheap Intel crap! (because intel is cheaper then AMD so therefore it's cheap crap)
</kidding>

Note: Kidding denotes not to be taken seriously.

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March 26, 2002 2:40:13 PM

Quote:
Note: Kidding denotes not to be taken seriously.


lol
I think people got it that time :tongue:

<font color=blue>If you don't buy Windows, then the terrorists have already won!</font color=blue> - Microsoft
March 26, 2002 7:49:47 PM

Who cares about korea?

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March 26, 2002 7:52:59 PM

Do you realize you're the kind of person that gives the rest of America the reputation for not caring what happens in the rest of the world?

Heh, actually it's kind of ironic how people complain about America not knowing anything about other countries, but when we intervene in wars or anything, they scream for us to leave them alone.

<font color=blue>If you don't buy Windows, then the terrorists have already won!</font color=blue> - Microsoft
March 26, 2002 7:54:58 PM

Yeah I mean if the XP1700 0.13m was out, with the same price, there is no doubt it is the best bang for the buck, much more than the 1.6A NW. It could OC at least to PR 2400, or maybe even more with adequate cooling (FatBurger's challenge), as well as the bus being upped and use of better RAM can give you the ultimate computing with less to pay than the 1.6A (not applicable in Korea). This especially is crucial to us Canadians, since we get high prices, the saving you get from getting an XP1700 over the 1.6A stock, can be very needed towards getting a better mobo or video card, as well as the performance being at least 10% better.

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March 26, 2002 9:52:00 PM

Lovely how you got all that because I and probably the majority of people could care less how much a processor costs in korea.

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March 26, 2002 9:56:55 PM

Yeah, look what isolationism brought America in WWII! No insult intend to America, but not caring about international problems can only lead to trouble.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
March 26, 2002 10:03:28 PM

I'm sure Canada has a lot of care, but what's the point when you don't do anything? =) I don't think we need to start a debate on the U.S.'s involvment with the rest of the world and "not caring". That would be a pretty short arguement.

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March 26, 2002 10:11:15 PM

The U.S. is the opposite of what it was in the 1930s and early 1940s but keeping a closed mind is a bad thing in any country. Canada hasn't had as large of an impact on the world simply because we have 1/10 the population of the U.S.

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March 26, 2002 10:25:50 PM

Has nothing to do with your population and everything to do with your capabilities (teaching people to fish, using Celcius for temperature, converting canadian money to u.s.), stuff like that =p.

And since it is the opposite of then, maybe not a complete opposite since i don't think they were totally ignoring anything, then there's nothing to debate like i said.

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March 26, 2002 10:28:56 PM

gotta love those Loonies and Twonies!!

hehe
Mark-

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March 26, 2002 11:01:19 PM

Yeah we may have to save Europes a$$ a third time!

Jesus saves, but Mario scores!!!
March 26, 2002 11:06:50 PM

This is 2 political threads (or 2 that have become political) in 24 hours! Think Toms needs to add a political section *-)


Jesus saves, but Mario scores!!!
March 26, 2002 11:47:25 PM

Korea is 70 million times as important as you and I care about Korea that much.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 26, 2002 11:52:13 PM

Korea for world domination now!
:smile:

Morally destitute, Emotionally bankrupt but a proud and respected member of Toms Forums! :smile:
March 27, 2002 12:01:31 AM

I agree with you FatBuger. A nation is made up of individuals and what makes an individual is the contents of character; morality, selflessness, kindness, patience, tolerance...these are but a few STRENGHTS. The other side of the coin which makes the individual are; immorality, imaturity, selfishness, bitterness, insincerity, intolerance...these are considered WEAKNESSES.

So, in reality we as individuals are subject to these human traits and which ever trait we choose, either displays our strenght or weakness of character. I choose STRENGTH by putting away my weakness.

KennyShin, we may disagree on somethings, but I as an American am concerned with international issues that affect us all as individuals. To all that care to disagree with my post, I still choose STRENGTH. Korea does matter! Give KennyShin a human chance.

<b><font color=red>Cast your vote with your $,</b></font color=red> <b><font color=blue>shed your pride with your opinion.</b></font color=blue>
March 27, 2002 12:04:08 AM

Roughly speaking, there are always two groups of people in most countries. Those who complain about America not knowking about other countries are usually the internationalists and I belong here. Those who scream for you to leave them alone are the nationalists or isolationists and I am personally very often threatened by this group. Actually, it never comes from one voice. Often the hawks try to make their governments and media more nationalistic and xenophobic. It's also they who burned Stars and Stripes inside the US government building in Seoul a few years ago.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 27, 2002 12:08:42 AM

That number means the population of Korea. Most Koreans do not even want to cross the national boundary. I just said every human being has basically equal rights and should be treated as such. I have always said the same about Africans and Chinese.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 27, 2002 12:19:35 AM

I mentioned Korea because it's just one more market for many CPU manufacturers. There are now more than 10 million people who have multi-Mbps Internet in South Korea alone. To dismiss the future of a country whose population will increase to 80 million very soon? Well, maybe there are bigger markets like China and India, but no company will have much chance with that kind of arrogance. I mentioned the Korean situation as a processor consumer not as a political propagandist.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 27, 2002 12:32:01 AM

I looked at the number and Canada is one of the fastest-growing among the "developed" countries in both economy and population. Maybe it will have a different role in the 21st century.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 27, 2002 12:48:18 AM

I doubt it, currently Canada does not look to good to me. Our prices are high, we have a screwed up government, very poor health care at the cost of free health care. I wish these things would be taken care off, as well as TAX. 15% is too much IMO.
BTW our economy is 50% affected by whatever our neighbour USA is. So we get hit by economy problems from the USA, but not as much.

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March 27, 2002 12:52:49 AM

Canada WILL play a role, when the rest of the world begins running out of fresh water... They will start to depend on us, as we have huge reserves of water.

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March 27, 2002 12:56:50 AM

Yeah, the Great Lakes!

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
March 27, 2002 1:04:33 AM

Do you know the entire White race is still a minority? If you didn't have to care how much a processor costs in Korea, why did you click something that was started by an individual with Username that has Shin in it? In case you didn't know, the people with Shin, Park, Kim, Min, Lee, Choi, and other names are usually from Korea. You can always keep distance wherever you see those and similar names.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 27, 2002 1:24:37 AM

Its only ever one side that tells you to leave them alone. The other side is generally happy to have you onboard.

Its true though, you guys do know stuff all about anything sans US :) 

But i'd rather have you guys as a super power than Iraq.
March 27, 2002 1:50:35 AM

Sorry didn't realize i was suppose to be racist and avoid posts with somewhat asian names(not that i would notice until you start flapping your mouth about it being korean).

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March 27, 2002 2:14:21 AM

Some people from east Asia are more violent and less understanding than others. You'd better completely ignore them or be careful and respectful towards them. If you speak to them like that, you're gonna face endless race wars. You just cannot go on in that way.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 27, 2002 2:23:37 AM

Me, too. South Korea's primary national enemy is the North Korean dictator regime.

When the isolationists and ultra-nationalists in the US say something disrespectful against Japan or Korea, they are helping the xenophobic people in the countries to keep their lands more closed and inaccessible for gaijin and oekukin. When the US President George Bush says something stupid and idiotic things openly, he's helping the North Korean dictators and the Anti-American activists and guerillas in South Korea tremendously.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 27, 2002 2:37:09 AM

Hey, "gaijin" is a rude term for foreigners! It is more appropriate and respectful to use "gaikokujin", or to use the actual country of origin. (ex: Amerikajin, Beikokujin)

The North Korean government, when not naming inanimate objects as national heroes and worshipping their now-deceased former ruler as a demi-god, are generally too busy controlling every bit of sensory input their citizens take in and stockpiling weapons to bother with the rest of the world...unless you p!iss them off, which we have begun to do. Way to go, George Dubya!
March 27, 2002 2:46:03 AM

You got me wrong. I just said the nationalistic people in the two countries usually prefer those words though it's often just language habit in most cases. I don't call you foreigner but respect everyone as an individual. Oekukin is the term for everyone other than Koreans as gaijin is and my friends think I am a very peculiar thing just because I don't use that word as they do.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 27, 2002 3:21:19 AM

George W is the man. Cozying up dictators and terrorists will only allow them to kill you easier. "Peace through strength". That's how Reagan brought down the Soviet Union. They also had a great leader (Gorbachev)who seen the writing on the wall. Now we have over a dozen new democracies to show for it and millions of people now actually have some control over what happens in their homeland. It may not always be perfect but they are much better off and the US should do what they can to make sure they succeed. It's tough to act like a Hitler when you face an election every few years. NOW if we could just do that in the Muslim world and a few other places!!! Think about it. US elects a president every 4 years. Israel has had Rabin,Netanyaho,Barak, and Sharon just in the last few years. Britain had Thatcher,Major, and now Blair. Russia had Gorby,Yeltsin, and now Putin. And so on. Now look at the rest. Cuba has had Castro for probably close to 50 years! N. Korea not sure(Sorry). Iraq has had Sadam for about 20 years. Libya has had Quadafi for longer than that. The Palestinians have had Arafat since probably the '70s too. It's just too easy for these guys to brainwash their people and make them do dumb things. "Here, tie this bomb around you go blow up 2 or 3 people with you and you will get 100 virgins when you die. By the way we will feed your family and give them some money. Ya right! Your kids won't have a dad (or uncle) but we will brainwash your son to do the same thing when he grows up. Our country will always be a sh!t hole (no roads,electricity,nice buildings) because we will always be fighting someone, etc."

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March 27, 2002 4:12:36 AM

North Korea has been controlled by Kim Ilsung and his son, Kim Jungil since Korea was liberated from Japan in 1945. Kim Ilsung ruled the country until death and left it to his son. It's not exactly a modern dictatorship but close to a dynasty. Of the worst type imaginable though well supported by many South Koreans. (The people who want USA force out of the country are usually pro-PRK. The ideology behind this evil is called "Juche" meaning "soverign body.")

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 27, 2002 5:05:36 AM

Quote:
Do you know the entire White race is still a minority? If you didn't have to care how much a processor costs in Korea, why did you click something that was started by an individual with Username that has Shin in it? In case you didn't know, the people with Shin, Park, Kim, Min, Lee, Choi, and other names are usually from Korea. You can always keep distance wherever you see those and similar names.


You really are a hard core racist aren't you??

For the rest of you, I don't think the price of processors in Korea is going to lead to any world wars so relax already.

Worried about being a isolationist or causing world wars? Travel, read books, get educated, stand up to racists, don't associate with them, and fight them if necessary. Don't be a fanatic either.

I'm really pissed off since everyday, it seems, I'm surrounded by racists, anti-Semites, or prejudice people. They try to be subtle, but when you hate people for no reason other than the color of their skin or their religion it shines through. Racists generally try to hide it by casting shame, fear, and blaming everyone but themselves. When people challenge them, they accuse them of being in the wrong for even thinking differently than them. It sickens me.

Today there was a student election at San Diego State University. Below is a message from one of the candidates for VP of External Affairs. There were two other candidates just like him running as well. For those of you who don't know, this individual and the organization he stands for claimed racism as the reason for the school's Aztec mascot. The University now has no mascot, but a Ambassador that looks like a shuttlecock. It's very degrading, but this is what happens when fanatics get their way. There was a student election, with 99% in favor of keeping the mascot, but the President was under so much pressure that he overruled the election and got rid of the mascot.

Quote:

MEChA: AGENDA OF U.S. GOVERNMENT IS WHITE POWER

"Either you are with us or against us" is what Bush tells us. Our civil rights are under attack by this fascist and Nazi-like Bush administration. All people of color have been/are victims of racial profiling at the hands of the border, police, military, Republican and Democratic pigs. The post Sept. 11 disappearances of our Middle Eastern brothers and sisters are proof of that. As Chicanos/Mexicanos living in occupied Mexico/Aztlan, we are treated like foreigners on our own land. Our civil rights are violated 24/7. Don't believe me? Research Operation Gatekeeper and the 800 people who have been murdered under the rule of the "Republicrat" dictatorship. When we try to educate ourselves by passing out "Know Your Rights" fliers, we are beaten, arrested and made political prisoners like Ben Prado.

The Jewish-owned media continue to blind the masses with propaganda to keep them in fear. Because of that, foolish Americans are accepting B.S. like the Patriot Act which is turning the United States (if it is not already) into a military/police state and taking away our privacy. The FBI and CIA tap the phones and break into the homes of anyone who has a different viewpoint and assassinate those who pose a threat to their White Power and capitalistic agenda.

MEChA is completely against everything that Bush and his cronies stand for but we still deserve and demand that our people's civil rights be respected!

--Ron Gochez
chairman, MEChA de SDSU


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March 27, 2002 5:12:00 AM

That's why everything I said above is true. Where would people rather live, North or South?? The North wants the whole peninsula since their failed ideology (communism) doesn't work when it comes to things like innovation, industry, good jobs, good lives for their people, etc. Instead they focus on nuclear weapons, hiding their people from the rest of the world, etc. All they have to look forward to is taking over another country. (I'm no N. Korea expert but I think this applies in every country where the people are oppressed and have no say in what happens in their lives.)
The US (George W Bush) must be tough when dealing with these countries. To let them go ahead and do what they want will simply lead to disaster.
1) Remember those (mostly liberals & socialists) who wanted a "nuclear freeze" in the late '70's. The US would have quit making them and all the "bad" countries would have continued to make them. Instead Reagan believed in "peace thru strength" and talked about building MX missiles (that moved around underground non-stop so Russia would never know where they really were) and "Star Wars" (lasers that would shoot down missiles from satellites in space). Some of it might have been bluffing but I think they realized at that time they could never defeat us in a war and have anyplace left to live. The Soviet Union went from "We will bury you" (meaning the US) (Kruschev around 1965) to tearing down the Berlin Wall in 1990 mainly due to Reagan's strongwilled approach IMO.
2) Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990. The US Congress, overwhelmingly Democrats at the time just barely voted (51-49 or something like that)to give authority to Bush, Sr. to go after Iraq. If it had been 49-51 Kuwait would probably be part of Iraq today along with a few other countries. It's funny the same people that voted against this say Bush,Sr. "screwed up" by just chasing him out of Kuwait and not sending troops all the way to Baghdad. In hindsight, I'm sure he wishes they would have gone all the way but most people at the time thought the Iraqi people would throw him out themselves.


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March 27, 2002 5:23:07 AM

I didn't know calling the White race a minority would degrade me as a "hard core racist."

Don't ever come to Asia because Asians mostly are not yet as tolerant.

Hm. Disgusting liar.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 27, 2002 5:23:31 AM

I also like GW Bush's stance with Arafat. Instead of coddling him, shaking hands with him for the cameras, and using the words "Peace Process" in every other sentence like Bill Clinton did, the Bush Administration has given him the "cold shoulder" saying senior officials won't even meet directly with him unless he makes a greater effort to stop the suicide bombers and terrorists. The PLO needs a new leader. Until then they will keep fighting the same way and have nothing to show for it years later.

<font color=green>"No Thoroughbred for you! Come back, 2 weeks."</font color=green>
March 27, 2002 5:28:58 AM

You never cease to amaze me.

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March 27, 2002 5:36:59 AM

ditto.

Searching for the true, the beautiful, and the eternal
March 27, 2002 5:53:59 AM

Quote:
Bush Administration has given him the "cold shoulder" saying senior officials won't even meet directly with him unless he makes a greater effort to stop the suicide bombers and terrorists. The PLO needs a new leader. Until then they will keep fighting the same way and have nothing to show for it years later.


I think thats a bad idea myself, how can we appear to be unbiased in a peace negotiation when we ignore the second party.

Israel does crap too, we dont ignore sharon when he cant control his military and stop them from say, firing rocket salvos into palestinan homes.

The whole situation down there is a [-peep-] joke, and we should just let them kill eachother IMO.

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March 27, 2002 6:34:40 AM

I don't think letting them kill each other is in the interest of anybody.
Israel does bear some of the blame but they were willing to give up most of the occuppied land in exchange for peace. I haven't seen Arafat willing to budge an inch on anything.
We (the US) should stand up for what we think is right and nurture the values we believe in. This "cold shoulder" approach should make him (or the Palestinian people) realize how unacceptable his actions are so that if we actually get to the point of signing a peace agreement it might actually mean something. Look at the UN Resolutions with Iraq for example. If they are not enforced they mean nothing and might as well be used for toliet paper (ouch). Do you think Sadaam will really worry about complying with any new UN aggreements we would dish out based on how the previous ones were enforced. Talk is cheap. "If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything" or so the saying goes.


<font color=green>"No Thoroughbred for you! Come back, 2 weeks."</font color=green>
March 27, 2002 11:03:07 AM

Uhm...

A person writes in a racist manner saying the country is racist?

hmmm


When all else fails, throw your computer out the window!!!
March 27, 2002 11:16:58 AM

Quote:
The whole situation down there is a [-peep-] joke, and we should just let them kill eachother IMO.


The reason we don't do this is the Israelis could destroy the Palestinians with relative ease. The reason they haven't is multifold

1) read the IDF's statement of principles. It's interesting but says a lot for their philosophy. Does that mean all members of IDF follow that philosophy to a T?

Nope there are always a few who break the rules and must be punished for it.

When people performing acts of terrorism (bombing, firing upon civilians, etc) Israel responds...as they should. If the perpetrators hide in a house, the Israelis fire on the house. Allowing the terrorists to hide in the house is equivalent to aiding and abetting in the US and is a punishable crime here. Why should it be any different there?

I feel so bad for the Palestinian people. They are in a bad situation. They blame the Israelis fgor their *lot in life* because they don't look at their own leaders and the leaders of neighboring Arab states who have promoted this problem at every step. I sooo hoped that Arafat had changed his way and really wanted peace, but, when he turned down the Israeli offer 18+ months ago and started the new war on Israel, I realized that he will never change. He has been a terrorist for 35 years+ and will remain one for the rest of his life.

While I feel bad for the Palestinian people, I realize that until they are willing to make peace and become more reasonable and realistic, perhaps more altruistic, there will not really be anyone for Israel to negotiate with among the Palestinians. So, Israel is in for a long, somewhat internecine war. Yes, it's damaging to both sides...the palestinians AND the Israelis. However, as the Palestinians escalate the violence, Israel will respond in an escalating manner and guess what? Israel can escalate this waaay more than the Palestinians can.

Sad....very sad.

I remember when I went to school there one summer in the early 80's...before the first intifadeh. I made both palestinian and Israeli friends. All were very nice. All were friendly. The main difference then was every single Palestinian I talked to and became friends with wanted to become an Israeli citizen. The perceived freedoms Israelis enjoyed over any Arab nation, the standard of living and benefits the government provided to all citizens, etc were some reasons given. It's strange how that changed so much in such a short period of time.

Mark-

When all else fails, throw your computer out the window!!!
March 27, 2002 4:27:20 PM

The palestinian people most likely still want that freedom but for some reason they can't seem to gather up the strength to throw dumbass Arafat into the sea. I guess the longer a leader is in power the more they brainwash generation and generations of their people with their dumb ideas. Basic math should tell them if it takes 5-10 palestinian lives to kill 1 Israeli they will never win. Israel could squash them like a bug if they wanted to.
I don't agree with those who say someone else would be worse than Arafat. It seems like he has no intention of ever making a lasting peace. I believe somebody with some actual brains would step up if he were gone and the palestinian people would be far better off.

<font color=green>"No Thoroughbred for you! Come back, 2 weeks."</font color=green>
March 27, 2002 8:15:01 PM

And isn't this lovely, Hamas decided to blow up a hotel and kill a bunch of people. I really don't see this ending until israel finishs it with some sort of military action to get rid of Hamas and friends.

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March 27, 2002 10:21:00 PM

I rested my last hope on this summit. I don't think Israel can stand to wait any longer. They must end this once and for all. If the Arab world can't even get along with themselves, how can we expect them to normalize relations with Israel? They ask for concessions that they will never receive, so let them fight it out once and for all.

The Palestinians only choice is to get rid of Arafat and negotiate on a smaller level. I wish them the best of luck since I doubt they'll give up on their terrorist leader.

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March 27, 2002 10:48:21 PM

The attack today nearly brought tears to my eyes. I KNEW something like this would happen. I KNEW that Arafat KNEW this was being planned and HE knew that Israel wouldn't lethim back in after this attack.

I honestly hoped, even with continued and increased PA demands in the late 90's during that peace negotiation, that there could be some kind of lasting peace. I now KNOW that even if the Palestinian Authority actually signed a peace accord after all this I now realize that they would never stop at that. They (Hamas, PFLP, etc..) would continue their attacks. Israel would have no choice but to attack back. I don't see any way their hatred will stop. It seems ingrained now.

So yes, I am very sad and frustrated.

Israel on their part have not exactly been innocent as far as things go.

Sigh.



When all else fails, throw your computer out the window!!!
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