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March 26, 2002 4:11:19 PM

Out of XAT (extreme annoyance of trolling) i have deleted this post out of protest. XAT is just another form of PC (politcal correctness).

Post deleted by xxsk8er101xx<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by xxsk8er101xx on 03/27/02 11:32 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 26, 2002 5:30:32 PM

The P4 RDRAM system has 512MB of RAM, the others have 256MB. That's where the discrepancy comes from.

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March 26, 2002 10:30:45 PM

I noticed that too, you should clear that up to be sure. I looked and it does appear to be 2 modules x 256 = 512. There is still a price diff but not nearly as big! If you would increase the speeds the AMD system would start to see a bigger price diff, but at 1600+/1600 the prices are very similar....

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March 27, 2002 1:30:43 AM

i don't like pricewatch. Have you ever shopped at those places where it's the cheapest? the SH is outragous and the service is crap! You wait 2 weeks for it just to ship it if your lucky. Then you have to deal with phone calls and waits and it's just a huge mess. for what? to save 5 dollars? My man! Are you that cheap? I chose Mwave as they are well known and well respected and they get there job done in a timely fashion. Also it is very easy to bundle your parts. They will even test it and put together for you. for a fee of course. but what other site offers that? hmm? that is why i chose mwave. Not pricewatch as pricewatch is NOT a vendor!!!

but good try :) 

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March 27, 2002 1:40:34 AM

There was an excellent barebones combo from newegg for IIRC 165$, newegg rocks.

Here let me propose a different setup.



econopc(have dealt with them before and they are fine, resellerratings gives them a 5)

830LR - with cpu - ATHLON XP 1600+, 1.4GHZ 266MHz and fan=147
265 micron pc2100 ddr=66$ from googlegear(great retailer)


Total cost= 233(+20 for shipping)


So as you can see, IMO, your prices are quite high, why pay what, 430 for something you can get for 233?

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March 27, 2002 1:55:40 AM

newegg .. shop there all the time ... but mwave makes it easier to choose your parts in your bundle and has a wide variety in motherboard choices. neweggs bundles it with out being able to choose your parts and your limited with 3 motherboard makers. None of which is asus, abit, or epox. Check it out yourself. Mwave has a very good bundle system and a huge selection.

not advertising for mwave just stating facts. and yes i shop at newegg all the time.

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March 27, 2002 2:01:42 AM

googlegear... it took forever to ship my friends videocard and motherboard. And googlegear emailed my friend telling him the board was out of stock. it took 2 weeks and a few phone calls (find out what is going on with the shipping, took forever) for my friend to finally get his videocard but no motherboard which was said was instock but not when he ordered it apparently. In the end he had to wait 2 weeks, waste time on the phone and got credited for the cost of the motherboard. In then in the end it was a pain in the butt and only got half of his order.

<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?id=9933" target="_new"> My Rig </A><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by xxsk8er101xx on 03/26/02 11:11 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 27, 2002 2:25:20 AM

I will use Newegg, one of my favorite online vendors. I am picking motherboards based on recommendations on this board. I will not be using the A7N-266E motherboard because the onboard video,sound and LAN isn't levelling the playing field as far as keeping the systems "barebones"

common parts: Enlight case with 340W PSU, ($60) Mitsumi floppy drive ($9) and for the two DDR systems, 256MB of PNY PC2100 DDR SDRAM using Samsung chips ($74)

AMD:

Soyo K7V Dragon+ motherboard: $142
AMD Athlon 1600+ retail box: $125


TOTAL with FedEx Express Saver shipping: $444.95

INTEL w/ DDR:

Asus P4B266 motherboard: $156
Intel Pentium 4 1.6A retail box: $139

TOTAL with shipping: $472.95

Intel w/ RAMBUS: (swap DDR RAM for 2x 128MB PC800 RIMMs from Corsair)

Abit TH7II motherboard: $146
Intel Pentium 4 1.6A retail box: $139

TOTAL with shipping: $490.38

So the price difference going through Newegg is a little more pronounced than xxsk8er101xx, but not much more so.

As an aside, upgrading to the XP 1800+,--which would perform faster than either of the Intel systems at stock speeds--would bring the total up to $451.95...still a few dollars cheaper than the two Intel machines. Bringing the Intel systems up to the 1.8A processor would add about $47 to their prices. Something to think about if you're not the overclocking type.
March 27, 2002 1:07:22 PM

Here we go again, this is turning out much like AMD_Man's recommended systems thread.

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March 27, 2002 6:20:46 PM

grrrr i know what you mean ... just wanted it to be like a compairison article. As i wanted to find out myself as eveyrone says how this is cheaper then that. If someone posted something i was hoping it would be less trolling.

This is the bad in this forum.

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March 27, 2002 10:57:56 PM

I am just making suggestions, I dont see a reason to spend 500 bucks for a system you can get for 250, thats all.


I am also sure there are better deals for intel systems, but is this not a disucssion on barebones systems, I linked prices and websites to get good deals, perfectly valid.

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March 27, 2002 11:20:50 PM

How is it trolling to show a different setup, and discuss what works and what doesn't in either one? I posted another comparison because I thought it would be interesting to see how much the price difference would be from buying things piecemeal to getting a bundle package.
March 27, 2002 11:26:43 PM

Yeah, I dont see any trolling in this thread, but apparently skater did, which Is why I asked him, what do they consider trolling.

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Edited to remove erronious burger reference.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Matisaro on 03/27/02 09:12 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 28, 2002 12:15:19 AM

Ok, using mwaves own barebones setup I can come up with this.

AMD ATHLON & DDR SYSTEMS
1.44MB FDD
(ECS K7S5A-Specs; AMD ATHLON XP 1600+; 256MB NON-ECC PC2100; ACER 56X CDROM-Specs; AOPEN H600A-Specs; NO MONITOR) $354.00 $354.00


like I said, theres no reason to get the expensive motherboard when a cost effective one does just as well, thats all.

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March 28, 2002 2:18:51 AM

Had an ECS motherboard. Had no problems with it whatsoever. Sold it to a friend, who has been similarly problem-free. ECS would get my business again.
If you don't want to use the ECS motherboard, use something like the Soltek 75DRV2, which gets good reviews, and is still less expensive than the motherboard you picked. My only real problem with your initial posting was that you used a motherboard with the nForce chipset. Putting a motherboard with onboard entry-level 3D and 5.1 sound up against an Intel motherboard with nothing of the sort either skews it against Intel, since you're able to dispense with adding a video card and a sound card, or skews it against AMD for adding the cost of the nForce chipset, thus narrowing the price gap between the two. Either way, someone could view the setup as biased. Biased towards whom depends on your point of view.
March 28, 2002 2:54:54 AM

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Intel Pentium 4 1.6A retail box: $139



um, don't mean to troll on this thread but...ah what the hell...newegg has the 1.6A at $135.00 just to let you know. :wink:

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March 28, 2002 2:55:49 AM

Please show me where I accused you or anyone of trolling.

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March 28, 2002 3:01:51 AM

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right so you picked the cheapest crap that people would never buy. ECS has tons of problems and i bet that case is horrible.


You bet wrong, early ecs boards had problems but the k7s5a right now is one of the best values in motherboards.

There is a gigabyte 735 motherboard for 10 bucks more, would that please you more.


I see you deleted your post, which is good, because if you get pissy when people propose alternatives to your overpriced solutions and you call it trolling you dont deserver the pleasure of having a successful thread.

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March 28, 2002 3:03:02 AM

Quote:

Please show me where I accused you or anyone of trolling.


My bad, meant to hit the reply to for skaters post.

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March 28, 2002 3:09:24 AM

Quote:
Yeah, I dont see any trolling in this thread, but apparently skater and burger did,


As I said before, please show me where I accused anyone of trolling.

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March 28, 2002 3:11:37 AM

Again I apologize, I misread your comment.
(thought you meant the origional amd man system comparison degraded into trolling fest, but since you say thats not what you meant, I accept that).

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March 28, 2002 3:18:31 AM

No, I meant that nobody would agree on anything. And when I say that, I mean <i>nobody</i> would agree on <i>anything</i> :frown:

It was even worse than Raystonn's attempt, actually (err...the thread turned out worse, not that AMD_Man didn't do a good job).

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March 28, 2002 3:24:07 AM

Quote:
No, I meant that nobody would agree on anything. And when I say that, I mean nobody would agree on anything

I agree, I just tossed some alternate choices in there because frankly the base choice was way high IMO, I fully expected you or ray to counter with some cheaper intel prices, in the interest of good discussion, but skater threw a hissy fit.


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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Matisaro on 03/27/02 09:24 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 28, 2002 12:34:56 PM

Or you could always just get MSN Messenger so you can see when I'm online (all day, every day).

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March 28, 2002 12:45:13 PM

if you learn how to read you would have read that i have stated you can get it cheaper.

Why can't you accept the choices i made on move on with life? I deleted the post out of protest not because the world revolves around you.

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March 28, 2002 8:31:23 PM

Quote:
f you learn how to read you would have read that i have stated you can get it cheaper.

Why can't you accept the choices i made on move on with life? I deleted the post out of protest not because the world revolves around you.


You said an intel amd barebones system comparison, I think your choices sucked ass so I posted links for others to see DIFFERENT choices, you throw a hissy fit over communication and you think the world revolves around me>?


Get over it skater, if you plan on doing ANY kind of price comparason, you had better be open to additional links for pricing, if you arent, dont waste our time posting pointless system comparisons.

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March 28, 2002 10:36:45 PM

Well hey we can argue over nothing, in my POV, the point of his thread was to show no matter what configuration you do, the AMD system remains the better bundle and always lower in price. Case proven, and your combo shows an even better bargain, but the point is still proven by his first post.

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March 29, 2002 8:18:46 AM

His post made it look like there wasnt much of a difference, when his choices caused that, and now he whines about people informing others about other barebones setups.


If skater cant accept that when he makes a price comparison people will offer other bargain links, then he dosent deserve to have a thread here, and I for one am glad he deleted it in a fit of whiney bitchness.

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March 29, 2002 12:29:15 PM

How in the world is it deleted if we can still post?

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March 29, 2002 1:52:14 PM

He deleted his initial thread, thuns supposedly rendering the conversation void, then he accused people of trolling for LINKING TO MORE PRICING INFORMATION TO HELP THE CONSUMER!



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March 29, 2002 2:27:04 PM

If someone replies to a post before it's deleted, the post will remain without content. If nobody replies to it, you can delete it and it'll disappear completely.

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March 29, 2002 6:42:03 PM

Oh wait, you meant POST, I assumed he deleted the entire thread, thus the pondering of how we could go on posting!

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