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March 27, 2002 1:45:57 PM

Apparently that report by the Aberdeen group was funded by Intel. And they never talked to AMD when they were researching it. Intel must be getting desperate if they have to resort to this to try to make AMD look bad. Another notch against Intel in my book. I'm not surprised, though ... Intel seems to like to spread FUD.

Here's the article: <A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/27030210.htm" target="_new">http://www.theinquirer.net/27030210.htm&lt;/A>

And for all you Inquirer haters, Intel admitted to it already. They denied that their funding of the report affected its objectivity. Right ....

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March 27, 2002 2:08:26 PM

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"The fact is that AMD processors are quite efficient for lots of applications and do not need the steroids of hokey equivalency to deserve market respect."


You're right, that sounds exactly like something an Intel PR man would write.

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March 27, 2002 2:15:53 PM

Always with the clever comeback, but you're missing the point. Did you read the whole article, or just that one line?

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March 27, 2002 2:17:37 PM

Intel funding derogitory reports. Intel PR people saying that MHZ is everything. Either Intel is desprate, or they simply have been and will continue to be a dirty player in the chip market.

Not that AMD is an angel, but I would apreciate some sort of honesty from the company, or at least for them to not bother saying anything, that to lie outright again and again like Intel seems to like to do.

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March 27, 2002 2:31:24 PM

This is the kind of crap Intel pulls on a regular basis. And it's one of the reasons why I'm such an Intelfanboy.

What's <A HREF="http://www.vanshardware.com/" target="_new">this</A> all about?
March 27, 2002 3:02:40 PM

More than just Intel FUD, it shows how seriously pathetic analysts are. I’m glad theinquirer is tossing this crap back at the fan because it usually lands on those who produced it and crap smells like crap.

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March 27, 2002 3:23:46 PM

Yes, I read it the first time it was posted.

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March 27, 2002 3:35:21 PM

But despite the fact that the article overall was highly negative toward AMD, you picked one sentence out of context to imply that it wasn't? I doubt that Intel needs any additional help from you. Apparently they can hire Aberdeen, whoever they are, to write negative reports about AMD whenever they want to.

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I read it the first time it was posted.

BTW, my link wasn't to the original article that was posted yesterday, but to the new one today.

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March 27, 2002 4:13:47 PM

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BTW, my link wasn't to the original article that was posted yesterday, but to the new one today.


Yeah, you're right. Sorry.

I agree that it was the only sentence (at least that I saw) that put AMD in a good light, but if it was ghost-written by Intel as most people are implying, then I doubt it would have anything good to say about AMD.

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March 27, 2002 4:29:56 PM

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Apparently they can hire Aberdeen, whoever they are, to write negative reports about AMD whenever they want to.

pssssst, AMD pays Inquest.com, Amdzone.com and Vanshardware.com to write disparaging reports about Intel.

also, boycottrambust.com is owned and operated by <A HREF="http://www.tompublishing.com/" target="_new">Tom publishing LLC</A> which is <A HREF="http://www.amdzone.com/#20" target="_new">Chris and Jeff Tom's</A> other anti-Intel front subsidised by AMD and Micron.

Chris tom and Van Smith meet regularly to discuss strategies and plans of attack.

but it seems that everbody is mum or just blind when it comes to these little things!

I challenge anyone to refute this.

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March 27, 2002 4:31:09 PM

the hardware biz is a dirty one, live with it. Just look at the crap video card makers pull, much worse than this.

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March 27, 2002 4:40:28 PM

I'm not claiming that Intel ghost wrote it, but I'm sure Aberdeen knew what the overall tone of the article was supposed to be. That one line that was favorable to AMD was clever, considering the real objective was to discredit the PR system. I guess the PR thing is getting under Intel's skin.

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March 27, 2002 4:48:16 PM

Yeah, I know about Van Smith being anti-Intel. But he doesn't have much of a reputation around the THGC, though, so I wouldn't worry too much about him. I don't pay attention to him myself, despite the fact that I prefer AMD.

I think it's pretty clear that a site called the AMDZone supports AMD. If you like Intel, don't go there. But I don't think they have much influence beyond the AMD adherents that actually visit the site.

Chris Tom? So he and Van Smith plot against Intel? Ooooooo ... I'm sure Intel is scared.

Anyway ... my personal opinion is that Intel shouldn't need to resort to paying some no-name group to write an article criticizing AMD's PR system. That kind of brings them down closer to Van Smith and the other people you don't like.

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March 27, 2002 4:51:29 PM

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the hardware biz is a dirty one, live with it

Yeah, I'm aware that the hardware business can get nasty. This just seems a little bit petty for a well-respected firm like Intel.

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March 27, 2002 4:58:25 PM

The most interesting thing about that article to me is that it brings up a lot of good points. A PR rating is Not an accurate way to compare AMD processors to Intel processors. There are too many variables, and over time the PR rating would get out of whack as cpu cores change, etc.

The problem with the article is that it remains very narrow minded with a focus on only slamming AMD for this - even though AMD does the PR against 1 static processor.. it's OWN Athlon, not Intels P4. The confusion this might cause in the future (assuming the PR Ratings don't get adjusted in the future... which would be a bad assumption) is legitimate, but only as much so as the same confusion that would be caused by an Intel Celeron and P3 processor at the same Mhz rating.... or a P4 Willamette and a P4 Northwood at the same Mhz rating. Mhz isn't a perfect performance rating either so who says Intel is right?!

The general message is legitimate.... but the 100% anti-AMD slant is sensationalism. The article title is sensationalism. People write articles with a skewed edge for many reasons... the most important being that people LIKE it! They read it for the edge! It gives them things rally behind or to bitch about. Boring 100% factual articles don't sell. They read drier than the dictionary.

Even Tom's articles and reviews get a slant applied to them to spice them up... as all of us have surely noticed.

Intel and AMD will both get involved in this process as marketing is the real key to success for both of them.

Some articles slant towards AMD... some slant towards Intel... the intelligent among us will mine the real facts from both types and be better informed than those with closed minds.

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March 27, 2002 5:34:58 PM

Are you Jerry Springers retarded kid or something lol?

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March 27, 2002 5:47:19 PM

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pssssst, AMD pays Inquest.com, Amdzone.com and Vanshardware.com to write disparaging reports about Intel.

also, boycottrambust.com is owned and operated by Tom publishing LLC which is Chris and Jeff Tom's other anti-Intel front subsidised by AMD and Micron.

Chris tom and Van Smith meet regularly to discuss strategies and plans of attack.

but it seems that everbody is mum or just blind when it comes to these little things!

I challenge anyone to refute this.

I challenge you to prove all of this. The payroll, the stratergy meatings, everything.

Yes, some of them may be Anti-intel, and yes it wouldn't suprise me about AMDzone, but what do you expect from a site called AMDzone?

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March 27, 2002 5:50:01 PM

What are you on about ?! The report slated Ghz as a performance measurement as well so it looks like the Aberdeen group shafted Intel as well as AMD.

The fact that Intel funded the report has little to do with it...Intel fund a lot of stuff outside thier company. The only critisim I have is that they did not contact AMD to find out thier view on the whole PR fiasco.

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March 27, 2002 5:52:31 PM

I don't know any AMD user forums in Korea that do not receive money from AMD.

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March 27, 2002 6:06:03 PM

Even Intel Korea seems to spend a lot on marketing in a very poor country. I don't know exactly how much Intel's Japanese branch and Chinese branch spend on marketing.

Not very objective but I wouldn't call it dirty.

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March 27, 2002 6:51:02 PM

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What are you on about ?! The report slated Ghz as a performance measurement as well so it looks like the Aberdeen group shafted Intel as well as AMD.

What am I on about? The fact that the article was highly critical of AMD for supposedly misleading customers, yet there was no criticism of Intel for promoting the "GHz is everything" line. Which isn't surprising, considering who paid for the report. I don't think the PR system is perfect, but I don't think pure GHz is any better as a system of comparison. But AMD takes all the criticism, while Intel gets none. That's what I'm on about.

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March 27, 2002 10:54:28 PM

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I agree that it was the only sentence (at least that I saw) that put AMD in a good light, but if it was ghost-written by Intel as most people are implying, then I doubt it would have anything good to say about AMD.



Maybe if they wanted it to be OBVIOUSLY biased, a little moderation/compliment to the enemy is the best way to appear unbiased.

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March 27, 2002 11:04:51 PM

I have an idea for a new method of testing performance (groan) :) 

There was this old game that i installed once that would tell you what processor you were running and at what speed (can't remember the name of the game sorry!).

The funny thing was, it always gave the cpu as 486 and the mhz was worked out accordingly. My then 686-100mhz came up as a 486-153mhz. This should be the way its done :) 

My xp-1600 will probably show up as a 486-3815mhz...but dammit everyone will know where everyone stands now!!!!
March 27, 2002 11:08:23 PM

And out of curiosity, how would you know? Are you on their payroll?
March 27, 2002 11:26:40 PM

if you were testing fpu it would probably show up as a 486-10000 or something :) 

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March 27, 2002 11:28:57 PM

Hey, I know for a fact that Intel was founded by Satan, and that their CEO sits on the Illuminati and heads up their weather control and air-control division...y'know, where they are ruining the environment so that Coca-Cola can bottle "clean air" and sell it to us at huge profits? I challenge you to refute that!!! And by the way, if you do, I'll just accuse you of being in cahoots! See how easy it is to make insane crap up and not have to deal with the consequences?
March 28, 2002 1:01:29 AM

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Hey, I know for a fact that Intel was founded by Satan

Man, you guys need to stop that. If Intel was founded by Satan then AMD was founded by God? Ok, then... Intel is not evil and AMD isn't a perfect little angel either.

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March 28, 2002 1:14:20 AM

No because then Helios would come in and take over Intel's servers and mother central machine, then we'd have a new age of computer AI taking over us and eventually zombies will walk the earth...
Kinda fun how you can merge Deus Ex and Resident Evil together huh?

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March 28, 2002 1:26:57 AM

Personaly I dont care what Intel writes or what AMD writes, I get my answers from the Benchmarks. I dont care that Intel Cpus are running at 2ghz, or that amd is running at 1.66ghz. The benchmarks tell me who kicks whos ass.

Anyways both manufacturers play dirty tricks this is just one of them, froma long series.

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March 28, 2002 1:33:46 AM

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I challenge anyone to refute this.

Ok, Melty, I refute your comments. Just as I loathe Intel so to do people who run web sites. Chris Tom makes his money from Ad spots and selling AMDZONE related merchandise. Lately he's been selling some kind of PDA as well. He doesn't make very much money. I've also spoken with Van on numerous occassions and I know he's getting nothing from AMD. I suppose AMD is also paying off the people who run faceintel.com, theinquirer.net, amdmb.com, athlonxp.com, oc-athlonxp.com....shall I continue???? There are a lot of people out there who feel very passionate about supporting AMD. This report from Aberdeen is one more example of why that is.

What's <A HREF="http://www.vanshardware.com/" target="_new">this</A> all about?
March 28, 2002 2:19:04 AM

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I challenge anyone to refute this.

I challenge you to prove it. Otherwise you're guilty of slander. When you're accused of slander/libel, the burden of proof is on you. :tongue:

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March 28, 2002 1:29:48 PM

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Hey, I know for a fact that Intel was founded by Satan, and that their CEO sits on the Illuminati and heads up their weather control and air-control division...y'know, where they are ruining the environment so that Coca-Cola can bottle "clean air" and sell it to us at huge profits?

Ummmmm.... you are getting a little ahead of yourself. Coca-Cola's current satanic plot is to sell us tap water - seriously!. Selling us air (oxygen) is a bit further down the line.

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March 28, 2002 5:05:56 PM

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I challenge you to prove it. Otherwise you're guilty of slander. When you're accused of slander/libel, the burden of proof is on you.

sure, but first you need to look up the words slander and libel.

I don't have to prove anything to you regarding those websites or any shady deals being made, it's up to you to prove me wrong, are you up to that?

or maybe I should post Intel shady rumors and conspiracy theories so that you can eat it up as usual?

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
March 28, 2002 5:38:28 PM

No, to prove you wrong, you need to prove us you're right.

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March 28, 2002 5:39:57 PM

<A HREF="http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=slander" target="_new">http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=slander&lt;/A>:

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<b>1)</b> <i>Law.</i> Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
<b>2)</b> A false and malicious statement or report about someone.

Yup, you're guilty of slander. Unless you can prove your statements?

(actually, in legalese, this is a case of libel rather than slander. slander is oral; libel is written/printed. either way, burden of proof is still on the defendant.)

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I don't have to prove anything to you regarding those websites or any shady deals being made, it's up to you to prove me wrong, are you up to that?

Actually, yes you do have to prove your statements, if you want to be taken seriously. I just pointed out <i>why</i> you do; you'd apparently rather not accept reality. :tongue:

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