Attacking Intel

[Guest]

I am sick of the peoples who attack Intel for no reason. IPC do not matter, it I am performance of the end. Pentium 4 has the abundance of that one. It also has IHS, the thermal protection, and SSE2, three things that AMD does not have (still). FatBurger put a challenge ahead to prove that Athlon has not the performance best, and same that many trolls attack Intel as being a bad processor, they do not have the courage to accept the challenge. It is of my opinion that is one hypocrite and attacking Intel for no reason.

P.s. Sorry for deficient mine English, I am of Portugal. I read Tom's Hardware and these forums for some hour, but I did not write here because mine English is not good.

 

[Zlash]

So whois attacking intel for no reason that's not involved in an post started by an intel_troll ? And i couldn't disagree with you more =).

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[Schmide]

Why would IPC not matter? Parallelism has always been a factor in CPUs. If you think it doesn’t work stick your head in a beehive and ask yourself how much honey can one bee produce? I don’t hate Intel but I do hate disinformation. In the end you’ll have to make your own decision on what processor you like. If you ignore half the equation you will be making a half assed decision.

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[blue_heart]

loooooooooool @ IPC do not matter, then what is matter? clock speed? if so then how you prove that AMD performs better than Intel?

how many computer users arround the world getting the benefit of the SSE2?

Intel is not a bad processor, but when they say they are the best and have fastest pocessors so we get bothered from that because this is not true

regarding fat burger challenge and overclocking, unfortunaly most of the users here are talking about overclocking and they forget that only 5% or less of users overclock their machines and this apply only for single anf home users, i never heard a company who own 10's of computers is thinking to overclock or they know what is overclocking. So if we get this fact that overclocking is limited to a specific type of users and specific numbers of them then AMD is the leader.

AMD is not perfect in every application but in most it leads, unless the application has a special code for Intel.

again, the way intel uses to advertise for its processors and the way they go make the some people feel bad

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[FatBurger]

regarding fat burger challenge and overclocking, unfortunaly most of the users here are talking about overclocking and they forget that only 5% or less of users

However, I do feel that at least most of the people here are willing to overclock, which was why I felt comfortable presenting that challenge. If this was a forum at Cnet or something similar, I wouldn't have.

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[blue_heart]

However, I do feel that at least most of the people here are willing to overclock, which was why I felt comfortable presenting that challenge. If this was a forum at Cnet or something similar, I wouldn't have

i do not have any objection about overclocking and who i am to determine and talk about overclocking, but what i wanted to say that AMD XP processors is better than Intel P4 in terms of performance if you are not overclocking and this is at least for the time being and we do not know what the situation will be with tbred.

and since most of the people around the world do not know or think about overclocking then you can not rate the cpu performance when it is overclocked

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[FatBurger]

but what i wanted to say that AMD XP processors is better than Intel P4 in terms of performance if you are not overclocking

If it was impossible to overclock, I would never have even considered buying a P4.
I feel that since "most of the people around the world" don't read this forum or understand half of what is said in here anyway, I can make my challenge safely.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just clarifying.

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[Intel_inside]

yeah I agree, it's performace in the end that counts. However amd zealots enjoy pulling the card of "p4's ipc sucks compared to athlon's" when the p4 pulls ahead.

I think it's a good time for the cpu market though, we have 2 processors which are very close in performance. Both companies are trying to outdo each other. This can be good or bad. The good part is it drives prices down, and higher clocked cpu's are released more quickly. The bad part is we get shady actions from both companies, such as intel saying that mhz is everything or amd creating the confusing pr rating.

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[upec]

I think Intel makes great CPU. The only reason I build my system with an AMD CPU is that I do not want to pay a few hundred dollars more for an similar performance system with Intel Processor.

 

[varlo]

FatBurger put a challenge ahead to prove that Athlon has not the performance best, and same that many trolls attack Intel as being a bad processor, they do not have the courage to accept the challenge.

Correct me if i'm wrong,but that chalange is for the Tbred,no?

I have yet to see one and I work for Tier 1 AMD disty...



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[Schmide]

However amd zealots enjoy pulling the card of "p4's ipc sucks compared to athlon's" when the p4 pulls ahead.

I don’t think anyone who replied to this post stated anything of the sort. Some did state the IPC matters. Its just like size, you know what I’m talking about, identical to the misrepresentation of length to width when volume is considered.


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[FatBurger]

I do not want to pay a few hundred dollars more for an similar performance system with Intel Processor.

And you don't have to, check xxsk8er101xx's thread for pricing on similar systems. Intel is still more expensive, but a "few hundred dollars" is a bit exaggerated.

Correct me if i'm wrong,but that chalange is for the Tbred,no?

One was, the other was for any Athlon to out-perform my OCed 1.6A.

BTW, who do you work for?

I don’t think anyone who replied to this post stated anything of the sort.

No, but it has been said many times before.

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[Schmide]

BTW, who do you work for?

If this is directed at me, I have to dance around the subject. Does work not imply a job or can one just work for the enjoyment of the task? Should one measure ones salary in the Dot Com boom to ones salary in the Dot Com bust? I work for the man who cares the most about me.


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[FatBurger]

No, it was directed to Varlo. No dancing required. At least not from you.

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[mr_gobbledegook]

I have nothing against Intel processors its just thier PR tactics and marketing crap they spew out concerning Mhz as the only viable metric.

I'd sock it to Intel anyday..they need a slap round the face...who are they are kidding ?

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[buddry]

You think a company is not going to promote thier product? Are they supposed to say thier product is crap? I would most companys exagerate at least a little on what thier products do.

 

[varlo]

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[Kennyshin]

Also, most of the people around the world do not really care what "IPC" actually means. They do not want to "unlock" their Athlon XP multiplier for overclocking and it was Tom's Hardware that published the related information to do that.

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[eden]

At least you CAN unlock it, Intel won't let you at all unless you get them to send you a specially hand-picked chip.
So with AMD you have more freedom in overclocking enthusiasm.

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[Kennyshin]

I never tried to unlock my Athlon XP 1600+ because the warranty clearly states it voids everything and I paid nearly $200 for it.

It was easy for me to overclock a Pentium 120MHz to 200MHz and Celeron 300A to 504MHz. Many people around me run Pentium 4 1.6a at 2.4GHz. I never buy an Intel CPU for more than $150 - I mean not yet.

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[Matisaro]

regarding fat burger challenge and overclocking, unfortunaly most of the users here are talking about overclocking and they forget that only 5% or less of users



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However, I do feel that at least most of the people here are willing to overclock, which was why I felt comfortable presenting that challenge. If this was a forum at Cnet or something similar, I wouldn't have.

No one can even take the fb challenge till the tbred is released lol.

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[Matisaro]

And you don't have to, check xxsk8er101xx's thread for pricing on similar systems. Intel is still more expensive, but a "few hundred dollars" is a bit exaggerated.

Its all in the motherboard, I posted a combo which was better performing than the p4 combo for 200 less, so again, it depends on the motherboard.

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[Matisaro]

I never tried to unlock my Athlon XP 1600+ because the warranty clearly states it voids everything and I paid nearly $200 for it.

It was easy for me to overclock a Pentium 120MHz to 200MHz and Celeron 300A to 504MHz. Many people around me run Pentium 4 1.6a at 2.4GHz. I never buy an Intel CPU for more than $150 - I mean not yet.

Intels warranty CLEARLY states that overclocking it VOIDS the warranty, just like amds, if you overclock the fsb yoy VOID your warranty.

You can LIE to intel/amd if you return your chip, but you still violated your warranty. Comprehende!

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[eden]

Again you are drifting the subject here...
Absolutly remotely nobody here buys AMDs for their warranties, JUST ASK. We don't care for them because we know what we do is on our responsibility. Otherwise the CPU forum would be dull and inexistent, just a forum to recommend new CPUs, nothing else like enthusiast discussions. So whether you would think AMD has anything wrong in their overclocking, it applies as well to Intel when doing so, and thus the unlocking of AMD CPUs is bigger better plus for AMD. I can just wait to see how Matisaro will enjoy unlocking and upping the FSB+Multi in sync with RAM, taking on Fatty's challenge without having to get an insane bus totally asynchronised.

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[Nikko]

Guerreiro...the performance of a CPU is determined by IPCxFrequency. The Athlon executes NINE instructions every clock tick, the Pentium 4 executes SIX. IPC is half the equation.

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