thoroughbred desktop for june.

Two more months? Ouch. I wonder how much longer Hammer will be delayed?

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2 month for desktop maybe not for mobile last time PAL was release way sonner for mobile like Intel have update P3 to 0.13 way faster that P4

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Hi juin,

I don't know exactly when the PAL was released, but when it was released there was an article posted on the wed which said Intel did some digging in PAL and found out that AMD was using .13u technology in it's processor. I don't know if this was true or not. But I didn't see any article from AMD which said they didn't so I assumed that it was true.

Anyways, May be that's why AMD is having such a hardtime producing .13u T-bred. What I am trying to say is they probably used .13u in XP and now they can't get anything else out of the .13u for the Athlon Core. What ever it is I wish AMD would say something about it. What kind of trouble are they having etc.

KG

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That's apparently not true, although there was no official announcement either way.

If they were using partial .13 technology, then the Thoroughbred would already be out.

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Sorry about the title, I just couldn't resist.

The new T-bread should be a great overclocker, and with board chipsets that handle DDR333, you can drop it down to DDR266 and then OC it with less stress on the chipset. Also, if you can unlock it like you can the XP and T-bird, you'll be able to change the multiplier and get even more out of the chip.

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Combining 90 nanometer and 130 nanometer lithography on the same wafer? I think that would take quite some advanced material. I don't believe that, but, please, try to convince me!

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<i>Then again, that's just my opinion</i>

May be the rumors about AMD's .13u process technology in trouble was probably true.

Everyone have trouble with 0.13
Nvidia was not ready for Geforce 4.
Intel have major trouble with NW
TSMC still not in full 0.13
AMD have delay like all the others.
Everyone have delay on 0.13.

Next stop partial SOI (amd) and 0.09 complete SOI (intel)

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Correction, from Raystonn's claims and Intel's claims. The Inquirer merely reported, "Well, Intel said this and that..." So it's effectively all from Intel, which isn't the most honest or unbiased source of AMD info lately.

texas_techie might have some insight into whether the rumor is true.

Well, then you lose the extra production per wafer that comes from a die shrink. I also doubt it would do much to improve thermal characteristics.

Intel publicly stated many months ago that they weren't even going to bother with SOI. They apparently don't see much benefit in it.

Intel <i>did</i> have trouble with the Northwood. Remember, it was supposed to be delivered in 2001, but it kept getting pushed back and back and back. Same thing with AMD.

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Its actually blatantly wrong dh, but I am tired of correcting raystonns inaccuracies.

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Yep, and I am not alone in the feeling he talks out of his ass a bit too much.

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Wow heheh, you must've posted 25 or 30 posts max and have gone for a long time before coming back here, because you're still in Newbie status!

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What I am saying in regards to this is completely accurate. If you have any doubt, either ask an Intel representative or grab an Athlon XP and put it under a very expensive microscope.

-Raystonn



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Again, learn to read ray, the comment was in regards to your INCORRECT assertion that a .13+.18 process would have a harder time shrinking.


Your a software enginner, stick to software and dont comment on process issues you know nothing about, ESPECIALLY, at companies you DONT work for.

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what the [-peep-] are you talking about?


How huge, you mean die size?

thats a well publicated fact, now run the [-peep-] along. Who are you to call someone narrowminded for correcting someones bs statements, I have never made statements approaching anywhere near the bs level of raystonns regular commentary.

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Actually, Juin, Intel chose to use a different insulating method than SOI. Intel basically wants to develop their own similar technology from scratch it seems to me. Intel CLAIMS their setup will be better than that developed by Motorola, IBM etal. That's all well and good, but their process won't hit silicon for a couple years yet. AMD is doing it THIS year.

Just because AMD uses SOI doesn't mean it's a partial SOI. AMD's process just differs from Intels.

Oh and by the way, Juin, by the time Intel actually completes development of their own similar process AMD and others, using SOI, will likely have refined their own processes to such a degree that they will maintain a significant lead over Intel in this regard.

Mark-

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And lots of people said Via didn't have the money to stand up to Intel either, but they went 3/3 for their P4X266 lawsuits.

BTW Mat, I know you're in threaded mode (as opposed to flat), but you still only need to correct someone once. Occasionally it seems like you're getting upset because they're not listening to you, when that's not the case.

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I know ray is not familiar with amd chips, he has made MANY mistakes in the past based on them, and he CONTINUES to speak as if he knows everything about them. He constantly makes arguments on these flawwed statements, and when his incorrectness is brought to light, he dissapears from the conversation, only to reappear a week later in a different thread with the same mistakes.



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VIA is still a very small-sized company compared to major American semiconductor manufacturers including AMD. It's very rare for a Taiwan-based firm to sue anyway.

Well, if AMD is that much in need of cash, it should be merged with VIA or SiS.

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The die shrink:
I know they expected the shrink to be linear. Everything being the same, just smaller. Didnt work out that way. When they shrunk it, they did indeed have to start rearranging things to get the timings correct. ANd something about the gates themselves, dont remember what. ANyway, they know whats wrong. They just gotta fix it now.
From everything I know, June sounds a little optomistic. They are running their engineers into the ground. THey got them trying to get hammer up to speed AND get the shrink right AND get SOI functional. THen they gotta ramp up durons to the faster FSB to compete with the new Celerons. AND they gotta think about Barton (which i dont see happening).
In short, they got a crap-load of things in the "in-box" and not a whole lot in the "out-box". As someone else noted.. every company has had issues with die shrinks. The issues will be solved, but its a matter of when. If the shrink issues are straightforward, then Hammer will be on time. If not, who the hell knows when Hammer will come.
Im not sure why they cant get Hammer up to speed. But the inital Ao speed to the next speed was almost 800 mhz. Then it hit a virtual megahertz wall. Been stuck at the same speed for about 1 1/2 months. Oh well.
Ok, so you know what I know.. Lets all wish AMD well. I would hate to see the world invaded by little blue men

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I do not yet know any profitable Taiwan company. They want market share and jobs. Taiwan cannot defend itself without fast industrial growth. The same with South Korea. That has been why we for the last five decades sacrificed so many things and concentrated on key industries and Samsung and Hynix are the results. VIA making more money than AMD? Did you say that knowing VIA's revenues has just got over 1 billion USD? 2002 Feb VIA sales was only 77.5 million USD.

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Looks like via made plenty of money last quarter, and more than amd as I stated.


Looks like you now know a profitable tiwanese company!


<A HREF="http://www.theregus.com/content/3/24497.html" target="_new">http://www.theregus.com/content/3/24497.html</A>

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What are you talking about? 66 million usd is more than AMD's monthly sales? That's total sales, not profits. Do you think VIA can make lots of profits with which it can invest in R&D and other things by selling P4X266A chipset for $18 USD?

NT$ is New Taiwan Dollar. About 30 NT$ is 1 USD. Though VIA is one of the largest hi-tech firms in Taiwan, it's very small compared to Fortune 500 companies where AMD is also listed.

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VIA sales down, SiS sales up
By Drew Cullen
Posted: 04/02/2002 at 05:49 EST


VIA Technologies posted sales of $66.36m in March (NT$2.32bn), 0.87 per cent up on February, but 48.37 per cent down on the same period last year, when the Taiwanese core logic designer posted revenues of $128,545m.

SiS, its chipset rival, by contrast saw March sales rise 16 per cent on February, posting revenues of NT$ 1.286bn for the month.

SiS sales for the quarter are 50 per cent up on Q1, 2001, while VIA's sales are down 29 per cent year-on-year, according to this helpful table compiled by Digitimes.

VIA has a bigger product portfolio than SiS and remains twice its size in turnover terms, but it lacks that crucial product licence from Intel to sell chipsets for the P4. SiS, an official licensee, is the major beneficiary of the legal spat between Intel and VIA, mopping up business that would otherwise naturally go VIA's way. ®


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Your right, that link didnt show via's profit(just revenue), however, <A HREF="http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:ggfnonWnzzoC:asia.news.yahoo.com/020130/reuters/asia-86897.html+via+revenues+and+profit+semiconductor&hl=en" target="_new">This</A> one does.

They made a profit per share the quarter before last, the same quarter amd was at a loss, my comment stands, and is correct, via makes more profit than amd.(at this time)

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