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Hello,

I have an ASUS P2B-S motherboard and am currently running a PII 400. I would like to upgrade the CPU.

I have a Slot 1 to Socket 370 FC-PGA adapter.

I believe that the fastest chip that the bios (1013) and board will support is a PIII 800 FC-PGA with the proper adapter. Is this true or how fast can I go while maintaining the 100MHz bus?

For the motherboard . . I am unable to determine which HW revision I have. I think that in order for this upgrade to work I need a HW revision of 1.04. Where might I find this information? Bios ... or possibly on the board itself?

Another requirement is a PCB version of 1.12 or later. What is PCB and how do I determine what version I have?

Here is the motherboard specs.
http://usa.asus.com/mb/archives/mbp2b-s.zip
http://usa.asus.com/inside/Techref/images/tr12.jpg

Since the PIII 800 Coppermine runs at 1.65V I would require a Slot1 to socket 370 FCPGA adapter card that has a voltage regulator in it.

I have the bios that supports the PIII 800 and I know what the current MB settings should be.

The Asus site lists the PIII 800 FCPGA chip as being supported with the proper adapter. I currently have an adapter but I am unaware if there is a voltage regulator on it.

What is a good way to tell if the adapter has a voltage regulator?

Also what is the difference between the 800 and 800E?

Thank you for your help,

Todd

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Todd,

Board revision will be printed on the board between two of the PCI slots. You'll probably need a good flashlight.

As long as you have a rev 1.02 or greater board you can run any E chip (but I have an unconfirmed rumor that EB chips will NOT work in 1.02 or 1.03 boards).

The E designates a coppermine (0.18 micron) core. All PIII-800 chips are "E", even if the retailer doesn't mention it. An EB designates a coppermine core designed for a 133MHz FSB.

You can use any E chip right up to the OEM (extremely hard to find) 1100E chips. You're best bet is an 800. You can then o/c your FSB to 112MHz and wind it up to 900 easily. I have an Asus P2B-D with a couple of PIII-800E chips and that's what I do with mine.

If your slocket has a voltage adjustment it will probably have lots of jumpers on it. You'll have to set it at 1.80 volts. If your slocket doesn't have the adjustment I can tell you how to do it another way, but it's a little tricker.

If you do go for the PIII-800E try and get a cD0 stepping.

- JW

Reply to JCLW

What is cD0 stepping and how do I tell if the chip has it?

Do you have a preference for a certain socket adapter?

Reply to TheTrueBaracuda

OK, first of all, ALL these baords have SOME support for Coppermines regardless of revision. The earlier boards could not support the lower VOLTAGE of the Coppermine, which was easy to remedy-using a slotket to make the board detect the voltage at 1.85v. You don't even need an adjustable slotket to do that, you can modify a standard one. See <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=640991#640991" target="_new">THIS POST</A> for more.
The fastest ordinary PIII at 100MHz FSB was not 800MHz, but 850MHz. Those will work. Also a small number of 900E and 1000E processors were made, but are normally more expensive than their faster 133FSB counterparts do to rarity.
Have you considered running at 133FSB? You could get much better performance with these, the 1000EB is now more reasonably priced.

The fastest CPU your board supports is the PIII 1000EB, at 7.5x133. The highest automatically detected multiplier it supports is 10x. Manual multiplier changes are not used on PIII's. There is a third party BIOS available that supports up to 12x multipliers, and cost $10.

The 800 was available in two speeds, 800E at 18x00FSB and 800EB at 6x133FSB. Normall Coppermines are at 1.65-1.75v. The newer they are, the higher their stock voltage. I have personally tested these things up to 2.6v without damage, but recommend 2.05v or less for extended use. If your board is too early to support the lower voltages, using 1.85v has proven to be a safe alternative.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

Reply to Crashman

I want to stay with a 100MHz bus to avoid upgrading other components. It is a solid system for right now. Unfortunately if I upgrade the ram or mobo I would be too tempted to upgrade everything else at the same time. Hence driving up the cost. I figured a new vid card and a new processor would be a good way to get a few more months of decent use before I buy a nicer machine.

Another reason for keeping my current configuration is that I cant stand keeping old parts around. I either turn them into a small machine and give it to a friend without a computer or I wait till they are totally dead then toss em.

If I read that previously mentioned post correctly . . . all P2B will support 133 MHz FSB? Just need the correct jumper setting?

Is this stable or are there some precautions I should know about?

Thanks again,
Todd

Reply to TheTrueBaracuda

Ok I have the HW revision of 1.02 so I think I am ok to go for the E chips. 800 is what asus says the mb supports but its ok to put a 850 because of auto detection and locked multiplier? ... I think I am learning something .. just enough to be dangerous =)

Reply to TheTrueBaracuda

Yes, you are correct.

As Crashman mentioned your board will support anything up to a 10x multiplier (1000MHz). It will NOT supply the voltage requested by the coppermine cores so you either have to use a slocket that lets you set the voltage manualy, or do the old pin/contact masking trick.

- JW

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