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April 15, 2002 9:01:23 AM

I've been hearing on different sites that amd chips need better cooling than they come with to keep from overheating. I may have only been hearing this in regards to overclocking, though. Will I be safe with the fans that accompany the retail chip? I'm not overclocking.

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April 15, 2002 9:24:12 AM

Nope, if you dont overclock the stock hsf is perfectly quiet and perfectly adequate.


ANything else is FUD bs.

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April 15, 2002 9:39:39 AM

the reatil fan are adequate enough if you are not overclocking, but you should also keep your case temp as low as possible
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April 15, 2002 9:32:37 PM

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I've been hearing on different sites that amd chips need better cooling than they come with to keep from overheating. I may have only been hearing this in regards to overclocking, though. Will I be safe with the fans that accompany the retail chip? I'm not overclocking.

this is true. also, even if you're not overclocking you need to watch your temps and depending on where you live, it can contribute to your pc's overall temps.

AMD cpus are notorious overheaters you can't shake this rep, this is a fact no matter what matisaro or amd_man or eden or any mongrel says(these ppl live in Canada or the upper NW go figure).

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April 15, 2002 9:47:48 PM

That's odd, considering that my .13 NW ran hotter at stock speeds than my .18 Tbird ever did, even OCed. And I've got a much better heatsink on the NW than on my Tbird.

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April 15, 2002 10:05:45 PM

AMDMeltdown is just jealous that I have more respect than him here in this community. :tongue:

AMDMeltdown knows nothing of the art of diplomacy. How does he expect people to listen to him whne he calls anyone who doesn't agree with him mongrels. Hmm...

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April 15, 2002 10:05:47 PM

Much of this is due to a difference in where the temperature is measured. The P4's temp is measured on die, whereas the Athlon's is measured at the socket except with the latest Athlon mobos that use the Palomino's thermal diode. Obviously the P4 will generally show a higher temp in this situation.

Anything other than on-die measurement is quite meaningless as an empirical value, but the socket temp can still be used to gauge proximity to instability. For example, 60°C *at the socket* is generally considered "too hot" for an Athlon and will usually result in a reboot when running an extremely stressful application like CPUBURN. But 60°C at the socket usually means well over 100°C at the core.

Ritesh

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April 15, 2002 10:09:35 PM

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But 60°C at the socket usually means well over 100°C at the core.

There's where your reasoning is flawed. At 100C, the Athlon would be destroyed. You seem to forget that the thermal sensors under the CPU calibrate for the space between the sensor the CPU core. The accuracy of this calibration, however, is questionable. Asus seems to always overestimate the temp of the CPU, for example.

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April 15, 2002 10:10:12 PM

Meltdung is the biggest troll this forum has.

Athlon processors run just fine with the stock HSF. If you use arctic silver you can even overclock with it. I have a 1700+ (1466MHz) running as a 2000+ (1666MHz) with the stock HSF and Arctic Silver II, no problem. If you do heavy OCing, though, I do recommend the Volcano 6cu ($13). Steer clear of the "6cu+"; it is extremely loud. The 6cu is not noticably louder than the stock, but cools about 7 degrees C better.

Pentium 4 processors actually run hotter than Athlons (and require much larger HSFs).

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April 15, 2002 10:12:09 PM

If you are not OCing its fine. I have a 1400 Tbird (the hottest Athlon based chip made, the new XPs are much cooler) and the retail HSF along with 4 10000 RPM drives and the case is cool, the chip is cool (50 max), and its perfectly stable......

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April 15, 2002 10:14:24 PM

Yes, it would be destroyed, if it wasn't for the reboot. :) 

What happens if doesn't reboot? The abundance of Athlon keychains should make that point clear to ya.

Ritesh
April 15, 2002 10:16:28 PM

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That's odd, considering that my .13 NW ran hotter at stock speeds than my .18 Tbird ever did, even OCed. And I've got a much better heatsink on the NW than on my Tbird.

what's your specs again? and where is the placement of your system: desk or floor? I'll tell you where you went wrong.

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April 15, 2002 10:18:40 PM

Hmmm, I ran my Athlon at 60c (overclocked with the retail HSF) for 1 month and there's not even a scorch mark on it. You may notice that my first post was about my system being unstable due to the temp, but a couple of days later, I realized that I had bad RAM adn there was nothing with the CPU. As a side note, according to Sandra or MBM, my CPU runs at 24C. According to VIA HM, it runs at 38C.

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April 15, 2002 10:22:54 PM

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what's your specs again? and where is the placement of your system: desk or floor? I'll tell you where you went wrong.

The mighty AMDMeltdown is never wrong! :tongue:

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April 15, 2002 10:27:45 PM

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what's your specs again? and where is the placement of your system: desk or floor? I'll tell you where you went wrong.


On the floor, but with 4 case fans, two PSU fans and an aluminum case.

Did I mention that with my Tbird I only had on case fan, one PSU fan and a smaller, steel case?

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April 15, 2002 10:29:48 PM

Well, the 24°C is probably the socket temperature. The 38°C could be the calibrated guess you're talking about, which in your case is apparently 14° higher than the socket. Or it may be more, who knows? But my point is, that when running an extremely intensive application like CPUBURN, the core temperature may be rising at a much faster rate than the socket, so that when the socket reports 60°C the CPU may be around 100°C or more when it reboots. Chips can usually survive such high temperatures for fractions of a second.

When I was overclocking my P3 to its limits, I would get around 95-100°C before the reboot. In actuality it was probably much higher than that for a fraction of a second. This was core temperature. Now I've backed off for the sake of stability. :) 
April 15, 2002 10:35:41 PM

Well, you're right, of course.

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April 15, 2002 11:57:25 PM

Man now it's 3 times Melty's really been proved wrong today in big hits!
I dunno how will he respond to that, he simply will try to make up more FUD.
And btw Melty, stop stereotyping us Canadians you jerk, it's not cuz it's "up here" that it's necessarily cold. It was over 27º in Hull Québec, the cold southern province, and last I heard, the only places very icy would be the northern territories as well as the north of Québec such as Rouyn Noranda. So please stop your stereotyping, because soon you are going to become a racist to me, and I do mean it.

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April 16, 2002 12:05:30 AM

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So please stop your stereotyping, because soon you are going to become a racist to me, and I do mean it.

lol, a U.S. person racist against Canada, we're practically the same country! 95% of our political, economical and social beliefs are similar.

Stereotyping Canada as a cold barren country is like stereotyping U.S. citizens as evil and arrogant (as Kennyshin said, lol).

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April 16, 2002 12:11:32 AM

No not implying all US, that I would never say! I love US, but Meltdown is so annoying, his stereotyping sounds easily like racism, since he also disregards us Canadians because he thinks we live in a cold country and are not trustable in system temperature reporting... so in a way he is seperating us from the society just cuz we live in a so called Cold country, which to my book, is pretty racist.

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April 16, 2002 12:14:12 AM

Opps, forgot to add "person" in there.

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April 16, 2002 1:32:58 AM

4 casefans!
good god!
im suprised your sticks of ram havnt been sucked right out their sockets! :wink:

seriously though, try turning off the front fans. if the rear fans are of any strength then case flowthru will still be quite acceptable.





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April 16, 2002 2:47:19 AM

They're low-speed ADDA fans. Not much airflow. The ones that come with the PC7.

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April 16, 2002 3:03:08 AM

hmmmm. well in my case i started with 2 thermaltake 2900rpm units (37cfm's).
now, i removed the front one alltogether due to noise, and the rear one is attached to the same rheostat that controls the cpu fan, and the rheostat is at minimum unless its really hot, so the sole casefan is probably only doing 1900-2000rpm, and the temps are very similar to what i had in the beginning. maybe 1-2C gain for ALOT of noise reduction.

also, ive taped up some of the passive holes at the back. so if one puts one hand up against the front intake you can still significantly feel the draw effects of the rear fan and psu fan.



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April 16, 2002 6:42:35 PM

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On the floor, but with 4 case fans, two PSU fans and an aluminum case.

Did I mention that with my Tbird I only had on case fan, one PSU fan and a smaller, steel case?

6 fans? you have too many fans that recycle the hot air, two psu fans and a front fan would be enough to blow out the hot air.

make sure you tuck in the cables or get rounded ones but you know this already right?

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April 16, 2002 6:51:09 PM

Why should that matter? I didn't have rounded cables with my Tbird system.

And yes, I've tried it with fewer fans and it didn't help.

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April 16, 2002 6:55:05 PM

AMDMeltdung is giving fatburger advice? ROFL!!!!

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April 16, 2002 7:05:56 PM

One of my favorite threads of all time was when he thought my church had a Carvin sound system. Man, he regretted that, I'm sure.

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April 17, 2002 12:05:27 AM

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Why should that matter? I didn't have rounded cables with my Tbird system.

And yes, I've tried it with fewer fans and it didn't help.

well all I can tell you is to check your thermal paste and the hsf contact, if it matters at all.

heck, you probably know this already but you're just trying to discredit me to make the mongrels happy.

anyway good luck with your sys.

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April 17, 2002 12:10:45 AM

This is so funny, the guy is still trying to help you, as if he knows so much...I mean after all, you're the one with the 800MHZ overclocked system not him!

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April 17, 2002 12:28:54 AM

Not sure about the retail HSF, but a cheap-ass GlobalWin FOP32 works great here in Texas, even in the 110-degree summers. I've installed temp-monitoring software to perform auto shutdown if things get too hot, but that's never happened except when I unplug the fan header.

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well all I can tell you is to check your thermal paste and the hsf contact, if it matters at all.

heck, you probably know this already but you're just trying to discredit me to make the mongrels happy.

I suppose that if anyone claims to have a problem-free AMD system, you assume they're full of BS?

LoLoL...if FatBurger makes a claim, it's 99% certain the claim is correct. As it is, there's no point trying to discredit "the mighty AmdMeltdown;" you do that on your own without any of our help. :tongue:

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April 17, 2002 12:30:50 AM

Agreed, now he's going to start calling all Intel users who don't agree with him AMDmongrels! This is crazy!

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April 17, 2002 12:56:22 AM

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This is so funny, the guy is still trying to help you, as if he knows so much...I mean after all, you're the one with the 800MHZ overclocked system not him!

what? eden you don't know [peep] I have several systems which are hitting ~2.6MHz.

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April 17, 2002 1:10:11 AM

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I have several systems which are hitting ~2.6MHz.

Hmm, is that an 8086? :tongue:

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April 17, 2002 1:36:42 AM

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95% of our political, economical and social beliefs are similar


Bullcrap. Canadian politics are nothing like American politics. Neither are their social politics. Not 95%.

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April 17, 2002 1:39:22 AM

Well, the biggest difference is Canada's extra emphasis on multiculturalism. Nevertheless, we are more alike than different.

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April 17, 2002 1:42:13 AM

Yeah despite different government systems, I wouldn't say we're too far off. Hell my future depends on the US' great job opportunities. I need that animation desk at Squaresoft!!

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April 17, 2002 3:39:24 AM

Getting back to your point, shmeggegie, I have an AMD T-bird 1.2GHz @ 1.4GHz (multiplier OC only) using the HSF that comes with the retail package. Granted, I don't get the greatest temps, but when my room temp <i>isn't</i> 30C(damn dorms with no A/C and a 31C/90F day in Minnesota in April, of all months!), my CPU will run around 51C idle, 55C load. This is MBM getting info from a temp probe on a Asus A7A266, so the temps could be as much as +/-5C, if what I've heard is correct. So yes, the retail HSF is more than adequete.

-SammyBoy
April 17, 2002 5:22:56 AM

and thank god for them overestimating. I'd gladly accept the innaccuracy to know for sure that my hardware wasn't about to sizzle off this mortal coil.
April 17, 2002 5:31:27 AM

hey, by the way, if anyone can tell me, where IS this "Fatburger Challenge" I keep hearing about? I checked all the forums (I used the search engine with the "all forums" option, I don't know how thorough that really is.) and didn't find any original challenge, so I don't really understand.
April 17, 2002 5:34:54 AM

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Yeah despite different government systems, I wouldn't say we're too far off. Hell my future depends on the US' great job opportunities. I need that animation desk at Squaresoft!!

sorry, pal, that doesn't go to you, even if you are canadian. That goes to a bunch of very dedicated and talented japanese individuals.
April 17, 2002 7:16:48 AM

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heck, you probably know this already but you're just trying to discredit me to make the mongrels happy.



Meltdown, you dont need fatburger or anyones help to discredit you, you do a bang up job of that yourself.

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April 17, 2002 8:33:37 AM

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AMD cpus are notorious overheaters you can't shake this rep, this is a fact no matter what matisaro or amd_man or eden or any mongrel says(these ppl live in Canada or the upper NW go figure).

Dude, I live in the desert of Arizona with no air conditioning (swamp cooler instead). It gets hot here. No overheating problems with my Athlon XP.

If you like Intel, great. But stop spreading FUD about AMD, especially since you've probably never used an AMD system in your life.

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April 17, 2002 9:06:03 AM

he has said himself that he's never used one

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April 17, 2002 3:44:39 PM

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heck, you probably know this already but you're just trying to discredit me to make the mongrels happy.


No, I'm trying to disprove the myth that Athlons run way hotter than P4s. I'm completely happy with my P4 system, eveyone knows that. But it does run hotter than my AMD setup did.

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April 17, 2002 11:48:13 PM

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he has said himself that he's never used one

Yeah, that's what I thought. But he knows for a fact that all AMD systems overheat and perform poorly ... whatever.

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