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New XP 1700+ system seems kinda...slow.

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April 18, 2002 6:25:37 AM

I'm getting around 5800-6000 in 3Dmark2001 SE. But, TBH, I'm not even sure if I'm running the benchmark properly (just hit the Run Benchmark button w/o touching anything, maybe changing game detail to High once).

Anyhow:
Win 98SE
XP 1700+
Radeon 8500 retail
Gigabyte GA-7VRXP KT333 mobo
256 MB PC2700 DDR RAM
SBLive! Value
40 Gig. Maxtor 7200 RPM HD
CD-R/RW, CD-ROM etc. etc.

I've changed a few of the Radeon settings. In the BIOS I've switched Fastwrites off. CAS is at 2.5 and the RAM is running at 333 Mhz. AGP Apperture (sp?) is at 128 MB. Pretty much everything else is default.

Tried to do some stuff with my Cache sizes and RAM settings w/ Cacheman.

Any idea what kind of scores I should be getting? From what I've been reading, at least a 1000 or two more, but I'm not sure.

Nothing is OCed.

Thanks. Not very good at this sort of thing.

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April 18, 2002 8:17:44 AM

with your setup u should be getting around the 7500 mark.
have u install the latest driver for your 8500?
April 18, 2002 8:22:33 AM

Driver!

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April 18, 2002 9:29:26 AM

you could also try running your memory at PC2100 speeds (133/266FSB) but at CAS2, this may have more benefit. Of course, if it could run 2700@cas2 that would be better!

Also, defrag your HDD, unload any applets/systray icons, disable virus scan etc.

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To the gentleman in the pink Tutu
April 18, 2002 10:22:28 AM

here's a mobo question for you. i have an epox 8kha+ and this mobo supports durons etc, along with the xp's. the front side bus on my mobo was set to 100 as a default. i simply changed the pin from 100 to 133. to check this, at least on mine, on the boot up see what it is running at. if it says 1100 then this may be the problem, it should say around 1433.
April 18, 2002 10:27:30 AM

that wasn't a question. A question would almost always have ? at the end and be requesting information from the person....

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To the gentleman in the pink Tutu
April 18, 2002 11:56:20 AM

Actually with his setup, he should be getting well over 8000. I get over 7500 on my 1.33GHz Athlon with SDRAM.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
April 18, 2002 11:59:51 AM

Check if AA is enabled. First time I made the bench, I had Quincunx which put my score at 5000 for my Ti200, then I removed it, bringing it above 6300.
Drivers have to be updated, Radeon 8500s have some of the messiest stock drivers ever including stability.
Finally like others said, some Anti-viruses affect performance more than others do on some systems, so disable them before running. DO NOT let your instant messenging programs connected or open, they could interfere.

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April 18, 2002 3:56:29 PM

AA isn't enabled. I'm running at 1024X768 32 Bit colour.

I'm using the 9023 drivers.

In terms of startup...how do I know which things I can get rid of? If I'm using rage3D tweak & cacheman, does taking it off the startup menu screw things up? My resources are very low (around 75% compared to what it used to be 93%).

I'll try changing th CAS.

Is there anything I need to do w/ the Radeon 8500?

*sighs* This is the second system in a row that I've bought that runs much slower than it should.

How tweaked are systems that get 7500 in 3DMark2001? I'm wondering if I should just uninstall Rage3D and Cacheman, and make the changes in the .ini file.

The more tips the better. I really want this system to run at atleast average potential. I know the components are there to do so.

thanks.
April 18, 2002 4:01:39 PM

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How tweaked are systems that get 7500 in 3DMark2001? I'm wondering if I should just uninstall Rage3D and Cacheman, and make the changes in the .ini file.

I get over 7500 on an untweaked system that should be significantly slower than yours. I'd say you should get 8000-8500 pts.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
April 18, 2002 4:25:18 PM

How do I get that, though!!!

I brought my pc in to be serviced...when I got it back it seemed to boot up slower and restard slower, but Idon't know what they could have done.

This is driving me nuts. Drop a ton of $$$$....grr.

Anyone know what the best Radeon drivers are?

This is so messed up. What could make me be down 2500 points!!!?!?

thanks.

Decado, the utterly confounded
April 18, 2002 4:30:23 PM

Reformat the hard drive and reinstall everything. It might be some kind of driver conflict, but for now, reformatting is the easiest approach.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
April 18, 2002 4:38:34 PM

I don't think I'm going to reformat my HD. Maybe as a last resort, but not now. If I do that, I'll just waste my time and nothing will change, as usual (this is not an uncommon suggestion). My PC is is at least stable.

Maybe uninstalling my Radeon drivers (then doing a fresh install) will help. My guess is that would get rid of all the tweaks, too (right?).
April 18, 2002 7:30:30 PM

Did you load the Via 4-in-1 drivers?

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April 18, 2002 7:55:38 PM

Yes, make sure the AGP driver is installed from VIA's.

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April 18, 2002 7:58:56 PM

I installed the 4 in 1 VIA drivers (self executable) before I took it into get fixed. It is possible that I may need to again.

How do I check and see what version i have/need?

thanks
April 18, 2002 8:03:06 PM

Well in Windows XP the drivers are in the Device Manager, I forgot if it is the same in Win98. To double-check and be sure, just reinstall them from VIA's website. They are the v4.37s, and will determine whether or not to install the AGP driver IF needed at all.
In the end, it could also be a bad video card chip, and you could try to exchange and see what happens!

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Thunderbirds in wintertime, Northwoods in summertime! :lol: 
April 18, 2002 10:30:23 PM

lol! This card IS a replacement!!

They'd kill me if i brought it back again! :) 
April 19, 2002 12:21:47 AM

What was wrong with your previous one?
April 19, 2002 1:06:09 AM

My advice? If you had all this bad luck with them, return for a refund, change stores NOW! You are cursed, I am sorry to report this but you are!! :lol: 

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April 19, 2002 3:21:21 AM

I know I'm cursed :( 

My last Radeon 8500 retail card was screwy and got horizontal lines and lockups.

I don't think I can return my machine and say "It's slow! Fix it!"

*Sighs* Anyone know of a guide for reinstalling Windows and reformatting you HD? Last time i did it...well, I don't want to talk about it ;) 
April 19, 2002 3:22:06 AM

Oh yeah, the newest VIA drivers are 4.38
April 19, 2002 8:47:03 AM

before u format make sure you have ALL the drivers you need.
make a windows startup disk
format from your windows cd
then reinstall windows
it really is that simple
good luck :smile:

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April 19, 2002 7:54:37 PM

How do you reformat from the Windows CD?

Oh yeah, is there any particular order in which I should install drivers?

I heard that it is best to install the VIA 4in1's first. Is that true? Is there any other order?

Should I use the VIA 4in1 36's? Someone said they were better for Win 98SE.

Do you think my SBlive! Value card could be causing this particular problem (several thousand points lower than average on 3DMark2001, slow in games)?

Thanks!
April 20, 2002 2:46:10 AM

Try the drivers one more time. Use 4.38. To cleanly install the drivers you should uninstall the old ones first. Just run the new installer but choose the uninstall option for each component. Do not reboot when prompted but rather run the installer a second time. This time let it load the components and reboot when done.

One more thing, make sure your video card is not sharing an IRQ with anything. With a Via chipset and Windows 9x/ME you can usually avoid this by not placing a PCI card in the slot adjacent to the video card.

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